Re: Yahoo Groups shutting down
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We will certainly not be moving to simply because it will cost $110 a year. If you have a better = free suggestion I would love to hear it.
Cheers
Ian (Moderator)
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Re: Yahoo Groups shutting down
1 - No email conversations
2 - Each post in each thread is effectively a separate page
3 - User interface is so-so.
JMHO, of course.
Donald.
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On 17-Oct-2019 22:21, Jeff Barlow Jeff@... [kicad-users] wrote: On 10/17/19 1:22 PM, ianthompsonbell@... [kicad-users] wrote:
We will certainly not be moving to groups.io simply because it will cost
$110 a year. If you have a better = free suggestion I would love to hear it.
Is there something about the new(ish) forum ()
that you don't like?
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On 10/17/19 1:22 PM, ianthompsonbell@... [kicad-users] wrote: We will certainly not be moving to groups.io simply because it will cost $110 a year. If you have a better = free suggestion I would love to hear it. Is there something about the new(ish) forum () that you don't like? -- Later, Jeff
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Re: Yahoo Groups shutting down
put me down for $20 US
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Count me in.
Gordon
On 10/17/2019 18:05, Brian
Piccioni brian@...
[kicad-users] wrote:
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I mean, not my place
but can¡¯t we pass the hat for $110? I¡¯m in for
at least $10 ...
?
?
?
Not entirely true.? With
the influx of new groups from the Yahoo
shutdown they are requiring all transfers to
be to a Premium group and pay for a year at
$110.? After the first year you can change
the group to a free one.? This is stated
clearly on the transfer instructions page.
I haven't seen anything
about this policy in regards to open source
groups.?
---In kicad-users@...,
wrote :
It only
costs that if you want extra space. The
free version comes with 1Gb of space. I'm
on a
couple of large lists (8,000-9,000
members) that moved to the free version a
while ago and they find
it to not be a big problem. Message don't
count to the space usage but attachments,
photos and
files do. I don't know how much space is
used in this group currently so I don't
know if this is a
problem.
Administrators have control over who can
post photos (which tend to be the biggest
consumer) and
also how large the images can be. You can
also set it so that if you are running out
of space it
automatically deletes old attachments.
They also say that open source projects
are free - though it isn't clear if that
means that open
source projects can just use the free
service or if they can get one of the paid
levels for free.
Groups.io also has an automated conversion
from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io that has
worked well on
all the lists I'm on that moved.
Service has been much better on Groups.io
than Yahoo Groups and I belong to quite a
number of lists
on Groups.io (11 at last count) that moved
from Yahoo and I doubt that any of them
are using a paid
version.
That is my "free" suggestion.
Dennis
On 10/17/2019 2:22
PM, ianthompsonbell@...
[kicad-users] wrote:
> We will certainly not be moving to
groups.io simply because it will cost
$110 a year. If you have a
> better = free suggestion I would
love to hear it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian (Moderator)
>
>
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Re: Yahoo Groups shutting down
I'll throw in $10 as well.
Adam
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Count me in.
Gordon
On 10/17/2019 18:05, Brian Piccioni
brian@... [kicad-users] wrote:
?
I mean, not my place but
can¡¯t we pass the hat for $110? I¡¯m in for at least
$10 ...
?
?
?
Not entirely true.? With the
influx of new groups from the Yahoo shutdown
they are requiring all transfers to be to a
Premium group and pay for a year at $110.? After
the first year you can change the group to a
free one.? This is stated clearly on the
transfer instructions page.
I haven't seen anything about
this policy in regards to open source groups.?
---In kicad-users@...,
wrote :
It only costs
that if you want extra space. The free version
comes with 1Gb of space. I'm on a
couple of large lists (8,000-9,000 members)
that moved to the free version a while ago and
they find
it to not be a big problem. Message don't
count to the space usage but attachments,
photos and
files do. I don't know how much space is used
in this group currently so I don't know if
this is a
problem.
Administrators have control over who can post
photos (which tend to be the biggest consumer)
and
also how large the images can be. You can also
set it so that if you are running out of space
it
automatically deletes old attachments.
They also say that open source projects are
free - though it isn't clear if that means
that open
source projects can just use the free service
or if they can get one of the paid levels for
free.
Groups.io also has an automated conversion
from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io that has worked
well on
all the lists I'm on that moved.
Service has been much better on Groups.io than
Yahoo Groups and I belong to quite a number of
lists
on Groups.io (11 at last count) that moved
from Yahoo and I doubt that any of them are
using a paid
version.
That is my "free" suggestion.
Dennis
On 10/17/2019 2:22 PM, ianthompsonbell@...
[kicad-users] wrote:
> We will certainly not be moving to
simply because it will cost $110 a
year. If you have a
> better = free suggestion I would love
to hear it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian (Moderator)
>
>
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Count me in.
Gordon
On 10/17/2019 18:05, Brian Piccioni
brian@... [kicad-users] wrote:
?
I mean, not my place but
can¡¯t we pass the hat for $110? I¡¯m in for at least
$10 ...
?
?
?
Not entirely true.? With the
influx of new groups from the Yahoo shutdown
they are requiring all transfers to be to a
Premium group and pay for a year at $110.? After
the first year you can change the group to a
free one.? This is stated clearly on the
transfer instructions page.
I haven't seen anything about
this policy in regards to open source groups.?
---In kicad-users@...,
wrote :
It only costs
that if you want extra space. The free version
comes with 1Gb of space. I'm on a
couple of large lists (8,000-9,000 members)
that moved to the free version a while ago and
they find
it to not be a big problem. Message don't
count to the space usage but attachments,
photos and
files do. I don't know how much space is used
in this group currently so I don't know if
this is a
problem.
Administrators have control over who can post
photos (which tend to be the biggest consumer)
and
also how large the images can be. You can also
set it so that if you are running out of space
it
automatically deletes old attachments.
They also say that open source projects are
free - though it isn't clear if that means
that open
source projects can just use the free service
or if they can get one of the paid levels for
free.
Groups.io also has an automated conversion
from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io that has worked
well on
all the lists I'm on that moved.
Service has been much better on Groups.io than
Yahoo Groups and I belong to quite a number of
lists
on Groups.io (11 at last count) that moved
from Yahoo and I doubt that any of them are
using a paid
version.
That is my "free" suggestion.
Dennis
On 10/17/2019 2:22 PM, ianthompsonbell@...
[kicad-users] wrote:
> We will certainly not be moving to
groups.io simply because it will cost $110 a
year. If you have a
> better = free suggestion I would love
to hear it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian (Moderator)
>
>
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Re: Yahoo Groups shutting down
I mean, not my place but can¡¯t we pass the hat for $110? I¡¯m in for at least $10 ... ?
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From: gnuarm.2007@... [kicad-users]Sent: October 17, 2019 7:56 PM To: kicad-users@...Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: Yahoo Groups shutting down ? ? Not entirely true.? With the influx of new groups from the Yahoo shutdown they are requiring all transfers to be to a Premium group and pay for a year at $110.? After the first year you can change the group to a free one.? This is stated clearly on the transfer instructions page. I haven't seen anything about this policy in regards to open source groups.?
---In kicad-users@...,
It only costs that if you want extra space. The free version comes with 1Gb of space. I'm on a
couple of large lists (8,000-9,000 members) that moved to the free version a while ago and they find
it to not be a big problem. Message don't count to the space usage but attachments, photos and
files do. I don't know how much space is used in this group currently so I don't know if this is a
problem.
Administrators have control over who can post photos (which tend to be the biggest consumer) and
also how large the images can be. You can also set it so that if you are running out of space it
automatically deletes old attachments.
They also say that open source projects are free - though it isn't clear if that means that open
source projects can just use the free service or if they can get one of the paid levels for free.
Groups.io also has an automated conversion from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io that has worked well on
all the lists I'm on that moved.
Service has been much better on Groups.io than Yahoo Groups and I belong to quite a number of lists
on Groups.io (11 at last count) that moved from Yahoo and I doubt that any of them are using a paid
version.
That is my "free" suggestion.
Dennis On 10/17/2019 2:22 PM, ianthompsonbell@... [kicad-users] wrote:
> We will certainly not be moving to groups.io simply because it will cost $110 a year. If you have a
> better = free suggestion I would love to hear it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian (Moderator)
>
>
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Not sure what version of their service groups.io makes available for open-source projects, but kicad surely qualifies. Worth inquiring. ? Also, groups.io is far superior to the yahoo groups product. I would enthusiastically recommend moving even if yahoo wasn¡¯t shutting down. ? -Pete ? From: on behalf of "millerdl millerdl@... [kicad-users]"
Reply-To:
Date: Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 4:29 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: Yahoo Groups shutting down ? It only costs that if you want extra space. The free version comes with 1Gb of space. I'm on a
couple of large lists (8,000-9,000 members) that moved to the free version a while ago and they find
it to not be a big problem. Message don't count to the space usage but attachments, photos and
files do. I don't know how much space is used in this group currently so I don't know if this is a
problem.
Administrators have control over who can post photos (which tend to be the biggest consumer) and
also how large the images can be. You can also set it so that if you are running out of space it
automatically deletes old attachments.
They also say that open source projects are free - though it isn't clear if that means that open
source projects can just use the free service or if they can get one of the paid levels for free.
Groups.io also has an automated conversion from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io that has worked well on
all the lists I'm on that moved.
Service has been much better on Groups.io than Yahoo Groups and I belong to quite a number of lists
on Groups.io (11 at last count) that moved from Yahoo and I doubt that any of them are using a paid
version.
That is my "free" suggestion.
Dennis
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On 10/17/2019 2:22 PM, ianthompsonbell@... [kicad-users] wrote: > We will certainly not be moving to groups.io simply because it will cost $110 a year. If you have a > better = free suggestion I would love to hear it. > > Cheers > > Ian (Moderator) > >
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Re: Yahoo Groups shutting down
Not entirely true.? With the influx of new groups from the Yahoo shutdown they are requiring all transfers to be to a Premium group and pay for a year at $110.? After the first year you can change the group to a free one.? This is stated clearly on the transfer instructions page.
I haven't seen anything about this policy in regards to open source groups.?
Rick C.
---In kicad-users@..., <millerdl@...> wrote : It only costs that if you want extra space. The free version comes with 1Gb of space. I'm on a
couple of large lists (8,000-9,000 members) that moved to the free version a while ago and they find
it to not be a big problem. Message don't count to the space usage but attachments, photos and
files do. I don't know how much space is used in this group currently so I don't know if this is a
problem.
Administrators have control over who can post photos (which tend to be the biggest consumer) and
also how large the images can be. You can also set it so that if you are running out of space it
automatically deletes old attachments.
They also say that open source projects are free - though it isn't clear if that means that open
source projects can just use the free service or if they can get one of the paid levels for free.
Groups.io also has an automated conversion from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io that has worked well on
all the lists I'm on that moved.
Service has been much better on Groups.io than Yahoo Groups and I belong to quite a number of lists
on Groups.io (11 at last count) that moved from Yahoo and I doubt that any of them are using a paid
version.
That is my "free" suggestion.
Dennis
On 10/17/2019 2:22 PM, ianthompsonbell@... [kicad-users] wrote:
> We will certainly not be moving to groups.io simply because it will cost $110 a year. If you have a
> better = free suggestion I would love to hear it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian (Moderator)
>
>
|
Re: Yahoo Groups shutting down
It only costs that if you want extra space. The free version comes with 1Gb of space. I'm on a couple of large lists (8,000-9,000 members) that moved to the free version a while ago and they find it to not be a big problem. Message don't count to the space usage but attachments, photos and files do. I don't know how much space is used in this group currently so I don't know if this is a problem.
Administrators have control over who can post photos (which tend to be the biggest consumer) and also how large the images can be. You can also set it so that if you are running out of space it automatically deletes old attachments.
They also say that open source projects are free - though it isn't clear if that means that open source projects can just use the free service or if they can get one of the paid levels for free.
Groups.io also has an automated conversion from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io that has worked well on all the lists I'm on that moved.
Service has been much better on Groups.io than Yahoo Groups and I belong to quite a number of lists on Groups.io (11 at last count) that moved from Yahoo and I doubt that any of them are using a paid version.
That is my "free" suggestion.
Dennis
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On 10/17/2019 2:22 PM, ianthompsonbell@... [kicad-users] wrote: We will certainly not be moving to groups.io simply because it will cost $110 a year. If you have a better = free suggestion I would love to hear it.
Cheers
Ian (Moderator)
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On 17 Oct 2019 20:22:17 +0000 "ianthompsonbell@... [kicad-users]" <kicad-users@...> wrote: If you have a better = free suggestion I would love to hear it. gnu.org ? (savannah?)
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We will certainly not be moving to groups.io simply because it will cost $110 a year. If you have a better = free suggestion I would love to hear it.
Cheers
Ian (Moderator)
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Yahoo Groups shutting down
Are the moderators of this group planning to move this group to another forum, such as groups.io?? Are the files going to be archived?? There are only a few days left to post new messages to this group, and all the files and photos will go away sometime in December.
Don
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Re: Numbering mechanical pins/lugs in KiCad Footprint Editor
I use ground pads with Through holes on top and I always number the overlapping holes/pads with the same number. As long as you don¡¯t mind electrically connecting pads they can have the same number. If it¡¯s just a mechanical hole you don¡¯t have to number it.
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Re: Numbering mechanical pins/lugs in KiCad Footprint Editor
Hi
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Yes you can do that
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Look at the library convention chapter 4.3
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Objet?: [kicad-users] Numbering mechanical pins/lugs in KiCad Footprint Editor
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For example, a USB connector might have 4 lugs. These are on the same piece of metal shell.
This is how I currently work:
I number each lug on the footprint, and add all these 4 pins to the schematic symbol. Then I link those 4 schematic pins together with a wire. So the active pins on the USB receptacle are numbered 1..5, then I add (6,7,8,9) to represent
the mounting lugs.
Can I save time by creating a footprint with 4 pins with same pin number? Then, the corresponding schematic symbol would have just one pin (e.g. numbered "shell").
?
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Numbering mechanical pins/lugs in KiCad Footprint Editor
For example, a USB connector might have 4 lugs. These are on the same piece of metal shell.
This is how I currently work: I number each lug on the footprint, and add all these 4 pins to the schematic symbol. Then I link those 4 schematic pins together with a wire. So the active pins on the USB receptacle are numbered 1..5, then I add (6,7,8,9) to represent the mounting lugs.
Can I save time by creating a footprint with 4 pins with same pin number? Then, the corresponding schematic symbol would have just one pin (e.g. numbered "shell").
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Re: [HIVENTIVE] - Your PCB Design Experience
I'd put there EMC and other standard compliance, such as safety.
BR, Levente
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Hello Kicad users, I'm Louis, AI Developer @ Hiventive. Hiventive is a new startup providing open-source tools to help professionals and hobbyists get from their idea to the final product in the electronics field, using virtual prototyping technologies. In order to improve our product, we'd like to identify the most impactful criteria on PCB design time. As KiCad users and PCB designers you're exactly within our target demographic, and consequently we'd be delighted to know more about your personal experience. It would be very helpful to us if you could answer a very quick (less than 2 minutes) on your PCB design experience. By doing so, you'll be able to request an activation key for our private beta-testing program if you so wish. Thanks, ? Louis Hache ?
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[HIVENTIVE] - Your PCB Design Experience
Hello Kicad users, I'm Louis, AI Developer @ Hiventive. Hiventive is a new startup providing open-source tools to help professionals and hobbyists get from their idea to the final product in the electronics field, using virtual prototyping technologies. In order to improve our product, we'd like to identify the most impactful criteria on PCB design time. As KiCad users and PCB designers you're exactly within our target demographic, and consequently we'd be delighted to know more about your personal experience. It would be very helpful to us if you could answer a very quick (less than 2 minutes) on your PCB design experience. By doing so, you'll be able to request an activation key for our private beta-testing program if you so wish. Thanks, ? Louis Hache ?
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Re: Introduction and a few questions
It's worth checking the full mail headers. It's so easy to include
the recipient's address as well as the yahoo groups address and not notice
it. Something like that would explain why this happens sometimes.
Also some mail clients may add an image as inline data rather than
an attachment, especially if an image is simply pasted into the text. That
would confuse the system as well.
Mail is not designed to use this method, rather it's a function of the
mail client. It's worth remembering that you cannot rely on the
receiving mail client to render such messages. This may also
explain what happens.
I get loads of errors of the sort - your mail client does not display
html correctly ....
Yes, I know. My client does not render HTML. Not accepting HTML is a way
of preventing click phishing and so on
Andy
On Wed, 22 May 2019 08:52:26 +0200
"yann jautard bricofoy@... [kicad-users]"
<kicad-users@...> wrote:
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wow that's pretty strange : I received the original message with the
attachment, and mine was stripped out and available on the yahoo
website.... really strange...
Le 22/05/2019 ¨¤ 08:49, yann jautard bricofoy@... [kicad-users] a ¨¦crit?:
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Well I received your message with the attachment, and the image is
displaying correctly.... Yahoo do not strip the attachment for me.
Maybe a personnal setting ? (but I never changed anything. I don't
even know if something can be user-configurable)
Le 16/05/2019 ¨¤ 15:14, 'Steven A. Falco' stevenfalco@...
[kicad-users] a ¨¦crit?:
On 5/16/19 1:57 AM, Andy Eskelson andyyahoo@... [kicad-users]
wrote:
Many users receive yahoo group messages via e-mail, so attachments are
frowned upon as that make the downloads large. This goes back to
the days
when phone charges for dial-up were expensive and so on. However there is
no reason to bung up email with attachments that not everyone will be
interested in even with the improvements to speed and so on.
To help overcome this, yahoo groups has a setting that most groups use,
which is that any attachments are stripped off of the email and placed
in a folder for the person sending the attachment.
You can find this folder from the files menu under the attachments sub
menu.
Use the web interface to see this.
It looks like that yahoo detected something as an attachment, as it's
created a folder, but there is nothing in it. So either the attachment
was dud or yahoo got confused (most likely)
(The system has worked well enough in the past) Thanks for the info. I'll use dropbox links in the future, as that
seems pretty reliable.
Steve
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