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Hey Guys,

I have a couple of questions on setting up a consist. I am using an NCE Pro Cab unit.

I have two BLI K4 Pacifics that I am running as a consist. It has been my assumption that in a consist the lead loco in forward motion, will be the only unit with a headlight and whistle, etc.. The rear loco would not respond to the horn or bell. Visa versa for reverse operation. I have both locos set in JMRI as to responding to the consist address (Functions 1 - 7). The locos run fine with these settings but both units respond to the functions horn, bell, etc. Is there a way to separate them out like I think they should be, or am I being to picky?

Thanks for any help or advice.

Ted

Not really what you want, but you can always set the whistle and bell
volume in the trailing loco to 0. Then, at least, only the lead loco
will respond with bell and whistle sounds.

Roger Thomas

On Monday 06/19/2017 at 10:36 pm,
znrauiufnjz2e6tsduf24xoihjbzwl5y3fdj7ebx@... jmriusers wrote:

Hey Guys,

I have a couple of questions on setting up a consist. I am using an
NCE Pro Cab unit.

I have two BLI K4 Pacifics that I am running as a consist. It has been
my assumption that in a consist the lead loco in forward motion, will
be the only unit with a headlight and whistle, etc.. The rear loco
would not respond to the horn or bell. Visa versa for reverse
operation. I have both locos set in JMRI as to responding to the
consist address (Functions 1 - 7). The locos run fine with these
settings but both units respond to the functions horn, bell, etc. Is
there a way to separate them out like I think they should be, or am I
being to picky?

Thanks for any help or advice.

Ted

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Are you using advanced consisting ? It should work there ......Mike

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Roger Thomas rogert@...
[jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:

Not really what you want, but you can always set the whistle and bell
volume in the trailing loco to 0. Then, at least, only the lead loco
will respond with bell and whistle sounds.

Roger Thomas

On Monday 06/19/2017 at 10:36 pm,
znrauiufnjz2e6tsduf24xoihjbzwl5y3fdj7ebx@... jmriusers wrote:

Hey Guys,

I have a couple of questions on setting up a consist. I am using an
NCE Pro Cab unit.

I have two BLI K4 Pacifics that I am running as a consist. It has been
my assumption that in a consist the lead loco in forward motion, will
be the only unit with a headlight and whistle, etc.. The rear loco
would not respond to the horn or bell. Visa versa for reverse
operation. I have both locos set in JMRI as to responding to the
consist address (Functions 1 - 7). The locos run fine with these
settings but both units respond to the functions horn, bell, etc. Is
there a way to separate them out like I think they should be, or am I
being to picky?

Thanks for any help or advice.

Ted

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Setting up consists and decoder consist settings with NCE systems are quite different from any other brand of DCC system, due to special helper features in the NCE command station.

The correct way to set up consists and program decoders for proper consist operation with NCE systems is the subject of some documents I wrote and that are now available at the following link:
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Dave in Australia

When using advance consisting with NCE, what you say is usually true, sometimes you have to adjust, I think, CV21 and CV22 to get the lights right. However, with NCE you run the consist with the lead engine number as the address, NOT the consist address. If you use the consist address the same information will be sent to every loco in the consist.

Wil

Correct. A fuller explanation at:
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Dave in Australia

Ted,
You say you have the functions on both units set to respond to the consist
address. Set the functions you want to stay off on the second unit to
respond to locomotive address only.

Wil,
More accurately, NCE uses the lead unit address as an ALIAS for the consist
address. The command station still sends its orders to the consist
address. Otherwise the other units would not move when the lead unit does.

Rick U

See below:

On 21 Jun 2017, at 7:35 AM, RDUhleNkott@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:

Ted,
You say you have the functions on both units set to respond to the consist
address. Set the functions you want to stay off on the second unit to
respond to locomotive address only.

Correct.

Wil,
More accurately, NCE uses the lead unit address as an ALIAS for the consist
address. The command station still sends its orders to the consist
address. Otherwise the other units would not move when the lead unit does.

When addressing a consist, NCE command stations:
- Always sends speed commands to the consist address.
- Always send function commands to the lead loco alias (or rear if you select it)
- Sends function commands to the consist address, provided Send Function Commands to Consist is turned on in Setup Command Station (need the NCE throttle to check this)
- Automatically reverses the direction of speed commands to the consist address if you have selected the rear loco.

Dave

Rick U


In a message dated 6/20/2017 11:42:45 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
jmriusers@... writes:

When using advance consisting with NCE, what you say is usually true,
sometimes you have to adjust, I think, CV21 and CV22 to get the lights
right. However, with NCE you run the consist with the lead engine
number as the address, NOT the consist address. If you use the consist
address the same information will be sent to every loco in the consist.

Hey Dave,

Thanks for the great article. I wish NCE had that information in their manual. Answered a lot of my questions and more. Here is my scenario I have set up.

Front loco 5629 running forward. Rear loco 5203 running in reverse. I select loco 5629 and it comes up CON 5629. Runs as designed, Only 5629 has the bell, horn and headlight. Now, I go to switch directions. I select 5203 and it comes up CON 5203. Direction set as forward. Consist begins to run, however when I sound the horn or bell, both engines respond. Strange.

Now, in JMRI, all consist settings are set to "Locomotive Address Only".

I am sure you have an answer.

Thanks.

Ted

Sounds like the Consist settings for 5629 are not "Locomotive Address Only" for Lights and Bell. What brand and model of decoder? Read the actual values in CVs 21 & 22 and if not already so, set them both to zero.
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Dave in Australia

Dave,

Nothing changed. All fields for both locos in JMRI Consist Tab, are set to "Locomotive Address Only. Wrote the sheets to both locos. And CV's 21 - 24 are all set to "0".

Something strange, when I select CON 5203, and ring the bell, it only rings once then shuts off. Loco 5629's bell continues to ring.

Still scratching my head on this one.

Ted

Silly question, what consist address are you using?
Jay-AT&SF

Have you Read Sheets to confirm the CV21&22 settings?
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Dave in Australia

If the bell on 5629 was ringing or its headlight was on prior to selecting CON 5203, you will not be able to turn either off using CON 5203. You will need to select CON 5629, turn them off and then reselect CON 5203.

You can only operate switches in the loco cab you currently occupy (the CON xxxx you currently have selected), same applies to a real loco.

If all locos need to respond to the command (e.g. Sound On, Mute, Brake) that is when you set that F key bit in CVs 21/22)
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Dave in Australia