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One for Randy: Failing SSD


 

I have this 2 TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD that is use to make a bootable clone of my internal hard drive before I do system updates - so I can go a step back if anything fails.

And today I was going to make a update from 15.3.1 to 15.3.2

So I attach the SSD, open Disk Utility and erase the drive before I start cloning

Except - today it wouldn't. It fails.

So I tried to erase all containers and volumes one by one. No luck.

So I tried to format it as macOS Extended - no luck

FAT32 - No luck.

Nothing works.

And then in the back of my mind, I seem to remember Randy writing about how to revive a failing SSD - and if I remember right, it would implicate using a PC?

I can't find the post on this list ... but I'd hate just to throw this SSD in the bin.

What to do? Any help out there?

:-)

Peter


 

On Mar 20, 2025, at 1:05 AM, Peter Rasmusen <peter@...> wrote:

And then in the back of my mind, I seem to remember Randy writing about how to revive a failing SSD - and if I remember right, it would implicate using a PC?
Doesn¡¯t ring a bell.

SSD¡¯s should always be formatted as APFS.

Assuming that your SSD was formatted as APFS, the only repair utility in existence that will work to repair while it is attached to a Mac is Apple¡¯s Disk Utility/First Aid.

You should boot your Mac into Internet Recovery and then go to Disk Utility and run First Aid.

Option-Command-R
for Intel Macs

power button ¡ª> Options ¡ª> Disk Utility
for Apple Silicon Macs

How to Start up in Recovery Mode




__________________________________________________

Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice

__________________________________________________


 

OK Randy, I have obviously remembered wrong. It must have been someone else then :-)

As I recall it was something about ¡°resetting¡± an SSD after extensive use, where it had been filled up or something, and there is no Mac software that can do that, but apperently there is software for PC.

Disk Utility will not format it. Period.

Maybe it¡¯s just garbage. Annoying!

:-)

Peter

On 20 Mar 2025, at 11.36, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:



On Mar 20, 2025, at 1:05 AM, Peter Rasmusen <peter@...> wrote:

And then in the back of my mind, I seem to remember Randy writing about how to revive a failing SSD - and if I remember right, it would implicate using a PC?
Doesn¡¯t ring a bell.

SSD¡¯s should always be formatted as APFS.

Assuming that your SSD was formatted as APFS, the only repair utility in existence that will work to repair while it is attached to a Mac is Apple¡¯s Disk Utility/First Aid.

You should boot your Mac into Internet Recovery and then go to Disk Utility and run First Aid.

Option-Command-R
for Intel Macs

power button ¡ª> Options ¡ª> Disk Utility
for Apple Silicon Macs

How to Start up in Recovery Mode




__________________________________________________

Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice

__________________________________________________









 

On Mar 20, 2025, at 3:42 AM, Peter Rasmusen <peter@...> wrote:

As I recall it was something about ¡°resetting¡± an SSD after extensive use, where it had been filled up or something, and there is no Mac software that can do that,
Correct. Is the problem that your SSD is full? You didn¡¯t say that.


but apperently there is software for PC.
Correct.

How to Restore SSD to Peak Performance


But that is not SSD repair software, it is software to erase an SSD when it gets too full and slows way down.



__________________________________________________

Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice

__________________________________________________


 

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No, the problem is, that is was working perfectky ¡­. untill I tried to erase it / format it.?

I can¡¯t seem to do that, so I was just looking for ¡°other ways¡± to TRY TO erase/reset/revive it?

:-)




On 20 Mar 2025, at 14.02, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:



On Mar 20, 2025, at 3:42 AM, Peter Rasmusen <peter@...> wrote:

As I recall it was something about ¡°resetting¡± an SSD after extensive use, where it had been filled up or something, and there is no Mac software that can do that,

Correct. ?Is the problem that your SSD is full? ?You didn¡¯t say that.


but apperently there is software for PC.

Correct.

How to Restore SSD to Peak Performance
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2088341/how-to-restore-your-ssd-to-peak-performance.html#tk.nl_pwr

But that is not SSD repair software, it is software to erase an SSD when it gets too full and slows way down.



__________________________________________________

Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice
http://www.macattorney.com/welcome.html
__________________________________________________











 

On Mar 20, 2025, at 6:11 AM, Peter Rasmusen <peter@...> wrote:

No, the problem is, that is was working perfectky ¡­. untill I tried to erase it / format it.

I can¡¯t seem to do that, so I was just looking for ¡°other ways¡± to TRY TO erase/reset/revive it
You don¡¯t erase SSD¡¯s, it damages them. Apple has specifically removed the tools to do that from Disk Utility for that very reason.

You repair an SSD by running First Aid. If First Aid doesn¡¯t fix your SSD, you are SOL. There are no third party tools for the Macintosh to fix an SSD.


__________________________________________________

Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice

__________________________________________________


 

Just out of curiosity, how old is this drive?

Jerry

On Mar 20, 2025, at 1:05?AM, Peter Rasmusen <peter@...> wrote:

I have this 2 TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD that is use to make a bootable clone of my internal hard drive before I do system updates - so I can go a step back if anything fails.

And today I was going to make a update from 15.3.1 to 15.3.2

So I attach the SSD, open Disk Utility and erase the drive before I start cloning

Except - today it wouldn't. It fails.

So I tried to erase all containers and volumes one by one. No luck.

So I tried to format it as macOS Extended - no luck

FAT32 - No luck.

Nothing works.

And then in the back of my mind, I seem to remember Randy writing about how to revive a failing SSD - and if I remember right, it would implicate using a PC?

I can't find the post on this list ... but I'd hate just to throw this SSD in the bin.

What to do? Any help out there?

:-)

Peter






 

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If the drive mounts, you could use a tool like DriveDx to check the SSD¡¯s Lifetime Left. Might shed some light on its condition.

On Mar 20, 2025, at 12:56, Jerald Levinson via groups.io <levinson@...> wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how old is this drive?

Jerry

On Mar 20, 2025, at 1:05?AM, Peter Rasmusen <peter@...> wrote:

I have this 2 TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD that is use to make a bootable clone of my internal hard drive before I do system updates - so I can go a step back if anything fails.?

And today I was going to make a update from 15.3.1 to 15.3.2?

So I attach the SSD, open Disk Utility and erase the drive before I start cloning

Except - today it wouldn't. It fails.?

So I tried to erase all containers and volumes one by one. No luck.

So I tried to format it as macOS Extended - no luck

FAT32 - No luck. ?

Nothing works.?

And then in the back of my mind, I seem to remember Randy writing about how to revive a failing SSD - and if I remember right, it would implicate using a PC??

I can't find the post on this list ... but I'd hate just to throw this SSD in the bin.

What to do? Any help out there??

:-)

Peter