But the first thing to try is Restart. If that doesn’t clear it, then proceed to the additional steps John laid out.?
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? On Dec 23, 2024, at 1:45?PM, ncoom gilbar via groups.io <ncoom@...> wrote: What would cause a program to hijack the icon of another?program?
Don't know,
But try using the right-click and "Info" menu. Then select the good icon, copy it to the clipboard. Then to the bad icon, select it, and paste it in, if this is even possible.
Or, if that's not possible, start at step one again, and use you mouse to drag the enlarged icon lower down, to the tiny icon at the top left and if you are lucky you see a plus sign.?
Another was is the app "File Icon Changer" but not sure if it's still around. I have it if you need it.?
I know a few more little tricks if this does not work.? Icons operate under a confusing plethora of backward compatible oddities which can get really messed up.?
Cheer, John?
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I opened a Force Quit window and I saw that LibreOffice and Firefox show the same icon. So it’s not just you.
Quitting each of the programs and restarting them fixed it, no need to restart.
Jerry
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On Dec 23, 2024, at 11:13?AM, ncoom gilbar via groups.io <ncoom@...> wrote:
The Dock is fine, everything else is fine.? Showed up in the Force Quit window. Just odd. Restart has cured it, but still got me wondering.?
shalom, ncoom
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On 23 Dec 2024, at 20:59, John via groups.io <OceanCity@...> wrote:
On Dec 23, 2024, at 1:45?PM, ncoom gilbar via groups.io <ncoom@...> wrote: What would cause a program to hijack the icon of another?program?
Don't know,
But try using the right-click and "Info" menu. Then select the good icon, copy it to the clipboard. Then to the bad icon, select it, and paste it in, if this is even possible.
Or, if that's not possible, start at step one again, and use you mouse to drag the enlarged icon lower down, to the tiny icon at the top left and if you are lucky you see a plus sign.?
Another was is the app "File Icon Changer" but not sure if it's still around. I have it if you need it.?
I know a few more little tricks if this does not work.? Icons operate under a confusing plethora of backward compatible oddities which can get really messed up.?
Cheer, John?
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The Dock is fine, everything else is fine.? Showed up in the Force Quit window. Just odd. Restart has cured it, but still got me wondering.?
shalom, ncoom
???? ??????? small-odds-man We’re all here because we’re not all there
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On 23 Dec 2024, at 20:59, John via groups.io <OceanCity@...> wrote:
On Dec 23, 2024, at 1:45?PM, ncoom gilbar via groups.io <ncoom@...> wrote: What would cause a program to hijack the icon of another?program?
Don't know,
But try using the right-click and "Info" menu. Then select the good icon, copy it to the clipboard. Then to the bad icon, select it, and paste it in, if this is even possible.
Or, if that's not possible, start at step one again, and use you mouse to drag the enlarged icon lower down, to the tiny icon at the top left and if you are lucky you see a plus sign.?
Another was is the app "File Icon Changer" but not sure if it's still around. I have it if you need it.?
I know a few more little tricks if this does not work.? Icons operate under a confusing plethora of backward compatible oddities which can get really messed up.?
Cheer, John?
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On Dec 23, 2024, at 1:45?PM, ncoom gilbar via groups.io <ncoom@...> wrote: What would cause a program to hijack the icon of another?program?
Don't know,
But try using the right-click and "Info" menu. Then select the good icon, copy it to the clipboard. Then to the bad icon, select it, and paste it in, if this is even possible.
Or, if that's not possible, start at step one again, and use you mouse to drag the enlarged icon lower down, to the tiny icon at the top left and if you are lucky you see a plus sign.?
Another was is the app "File Icon Changer" but not sure if it's still around. I have it if you need it.?
I know a few more little tricks if this does not work.? Icons operate under a confusing plethora of backward compatible oddities which can get really messed up.?
Cheer, John?
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What would cause a program to hijack the icon of another program?
For example, in a Force Quit window, Finder is showing the icon of another program currently open (HistoryHound)??? ?
shalom, ncoom
???? ??????? small-odds-man We’re all here because we’re not all there
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On Dec 20, 2024, at 6:10?AM, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote: Apple also has to keep innovating. ?Even if that scares some consumers (and it does). ?When Apple stops innovating, their products will become boring, and once again, customers will jump ship in droves for similar cheaper products. ?Apple adding AI to their products is fundamentally no different than them embracing WYSIWYG, plug and play, SCSI, AppleTalk, USB, all-in-one computers, RISC, SOC, etc. ?All were considered daring when first released. ?But each of these differentiated the Macintosh as an advanced product. ?If Apple doesn’t lead in cutting edge technology, someone else will, and take Apple’s customers away. ?
Randy B. Singer Well stated Randy. You hit the nail on the head. Cheers, John?
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On Dec 19, 2024, at 10:35?PM, ncoom gilbar via groups.io <ncoom@...> wrote: small-odds-man
We’re all here because we’re not all there Well, I didn't mean to perpetuate such a long thread, but I suppose I knew this topic would hit a common cord. Glad the posts have all been upbeat, friendly, interesting, and insightful.
BTW, I am there, because I'm not here.
Cheers, John?
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On Dec 20, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Barbara Mende <barbara@...> wrote:
I've seen that so many younger people foist the resistant image on older people that the older ones think it must be right. I appreciate the defense of us seniors. First off, let me explain that I’m not simply talking about seniors. I’m talking about middle-aged and up folks. Just as an example, I’m on a half dozen Macintosh discussion lists, comprising (based on the number of subscribers to each list), well over a quarter million Mac users. The ONLY people freaking out about Apple Intelligence are older people. (And it’s only a handful of people.) One accidentally upgraded his Mac to the very latest operating system (by just giving permission when the OS reported that an upgrade was available), and without even checking it out, spend the entire day, and a ton of work, rolingl back his Mac as quickly as possible. His only excuse for all the trouble he went through was that he didn’t trust AI. My N value, with regard to who is resistant to change, over many years, is huge. I appreciate that older folks have lots of experience, are very bright, etc. And I know that it’s a gross generalization with lots of exceptions. But it’s been a very reliably repeated perception. So much so that it quickly got me out of the consulting business. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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On Dec 20, 2024, at 3:13?PM, Mary Ann Niesen via groups.io <mag314@...> wrote:
It took me forever to figure this one out when I upgraded my iMac to a Mac Mini a while back. I could not find e a setting on the Mac mini to fix this…because the setting was on the iPhone.
Find the Messages settings on the phone, then look for Text Message Forwarding. There should be a list of devices (for me this includes the mini and an iPad). You have to expressly turn this on.
NOTE: it is possible you may also have to check iCloud settings for messages as well.
Hope that helps,
Mary Ann
On Dec 20, 2024, at 14:09, Dutch Junge via groups.io <dutch@...> wrote:
My wife has an iPhone 15 and a Mac laptop running Mohave. When I send her a Message of course it shows up on her iPhone but not in Messages on her laptop and I’m wondering why ?
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As an old person who continues to assist younger people, I've seen that so many younger people foist the resistant image on older people that the older ones think it must be right. I've seen two women stop using computers when their husbands died, and turn to their kids although they knew more than the kids did. I cringe when I see the post from the person who "helps seniors." Women, especially, were programmers early on because it could be done part-time, or they were teachers who worked with donated classroom computers, or THEY WERE SECRETARIES! They had to grapple with C:\. They learned to use computers when it was hard!
Barbara
On Friday, December 20, 2024 at 04:06:24 PM EST, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
That is the common perception, but one that I believe is not totally correct.
The old have seen more ways to do things than the young. They have seen more change than the young. The have more muscle memory, more mental memory(habit), more ownership of the old way. The new way _may_ make it easier until it doesn’t. The old can often “fall back” on the old way. The young, if they know only this one way, have nothing to fall back on. Hence all the jokes about Millennials and manual transmissions or cursive.
When a new idea or method is introduced, it goes smoother if a plan to deal with resistance to change is already in place. I have been involved in a couple of major corporate changes. I have been involved, switching from an annual inventory to a material resource planning. You cannot imagine how much resistance you will encounter. No more hidden inventory, no more fudged reporting, no more over-time to do the annual inventory, no more week long reconciliations and huge write off to correct the inventory.
With MRP, there are multiple much smaller write offs, that are much better documented and no “shrinkage” in a manufacturing situation. Easier for the auditors to sign off.
I resist change, but recognize it, so I give the change a chance before I voice complaints. This makes me look for advantages and dis advantages.
Brent
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That is the common perception, but one that I believe is not totally correct.
The old have seen more ways to do things than the young. They have seen more change than the young. The have more muscle memory, more mental memory(habit), more ownership of the old way. The new way _may_ make it easier until it doesn’t. The old can often “fall back” on the old way. The young, if they know only this one way, have nothing to fall back on. Hence all the jokes about Millennials and manual transmissions or cursive.
When a new idea or method is introduced, it goes smoother if a plan to deal with resistance to change is already in place. I have been involved in a couple of major corporate changes. I have been involved, switching from an annual inventory to a material resource planning. You cannot imagine how much resistance you will encounter. No more hidden inventory, no more fudged reporting, no more over-time to do the annual inventory, no more week long reconciliations and huge write off to correct the inventory.
With MRP, there are multiple much smaller write offs, that are much better documented and no “shrinkage” in a manufacturing situation. Easier for the auditors to sign off.
I resist change, but recognize it, so I give the change a chance before I voice complaints. This makes me look for advantages and dis advantages.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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Resistance to change is almost universal, and not age dependent. The young struggle with new and strange things, too. The difference is that the old tend to get scared easily and give up. The young keep on banging at it until they become masters of it.
That’s why you can usually ask your twelve year old child to help you with your computer. They have no fear of technology, so they will have invested nearly unlimited time into mastering it.
It’s why lots of kids teach themselves how to program at surprisingly young ages. Approaching it doesn’t intimidate them at all.
Conversely, it’s why, when I was working as a consultant, when I went to try and explain what really were simple concepts to middle age men, they would often suddenly get angry and shut down. Sometimes going so far as to yell and curse. These folks were scared out of their minds.
Very generally, the older folks get, they more resistant (afraid) they become of technology. Don’t try to tell me that this isn’t true. I’ve seen unlimited examples of it. Right this second I can drag in a middle-aged man and a 10-year-old, and offer to teach both of them how to use Microsoft Word, for instance. I’m willing to bet any amount of money on which will become scared out of their mind at the prospect, and which will be very open and receptive.
(I’m not saying this to put down old people. I’m an old guy myself. It just is what it is.)
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Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice
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It took me forever to figure this one out when I upgraded my iMac to a Mac Mini a while back. I could not find e a setting on the Mac mini to fix this…because the setting was on the iPhone.
Find the Messages settings on the phone, then look for Text Message Forwarding. There should be a list of devices (for me this includes the mini and an iPad). You have to expressly turn this on.
NOTE: it is possible you may also have to check iCloud settings for messages as well.
Hope that helps,
Mary Ann
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On Dec 20, 2024, at 14:09, Dutch Junge via groups.io <dutch@...> wrote:
My wife has an iPhone 15 and a Mac laptop running Mohave. When I send her a Message of course it shows up on her iPhone but not in Messages on her laptop and I’m wondering why ?
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My wife has an iPhone 15 and a Mac laptop running Mohave. When I send her a Message of course it shows up on her iPhone but not in Messages on her laptop and I’m wondering why ?
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Thanks for some sane observations, Randy. It’s all in how open a person is to learning new things, I think. I got my first Apple Computer in 1985, my first Mac a coupla years later. Today I’m 71, retired from my 9-to-5 job as a court clerk, where I used Windows machines in the courtroom. But I still freelance as a book designer/layout designer because I love the work and my wife and I love a very nice life with the extra income. That wouldn’t be possible without my current Mac, a first-gen Studio (plus two Studio monitors)—as well as the Mac IIx, PowerMac, 24-inch iMac, and 27-inch iMac I had in the years before (from 1987 on). Somewhere along the way, my wife, who’s a little older than me, got her first Mac. She’s now on a 21-inch iMac. She’s an artist and has used hers to enhance and print photos for juried shows, among other things. Life’s what you make it. Steve Tiano
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On Dec 19, 2024, at 8:17 PM, Dutch Junge via groups.io <dutch@...> wrote:
I’ve had a Mac since February of 1984. Still have it with the original box and carrying case. Someone on a different forum asked if their original Mac was worth anything, or if they should throw it in the garbage. I did some quick research and found that those original Macs have become collectable. In fact, they are going for some impressive prices, especially if you have all the original accessories and boxes. They are popping up on eBay, and they can fetch a surprising price! __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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On Dec 19, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Harold Appel via groups.io <haroldappel@...> wrote:
I fear that using AI replaces my own judgment with relying on someone else's (a mystery, unknown to us) algorithm in order to obtain information or automate a task in a way that computers have not done before. I fear that in this process, something important will be lost. AI is just another tool. It’s not a separate mind, it’s a tool wielded by humans. Just like using a computer was considered “cheating” by some in the very early days of personal computing, AI will become mainstream as time goes on. Currently, if you go on Facebook, you will often see offerings of very pretty pictures. But lots of people feel compelled to comment “THIS IS AI !!!” Like that somehow invalidates how attractive and enjoyable the picture is. That sort of nonsense should pass pretty quickly. Just as some people prefer the sound of music played on vinyl records to that played from digital files, I have no doubt that there will be folks who value doing things the old way. And that’s fine. You will still have a choice. But there is nothing to fear from AI. It’s just another tool that will lead to new sorts of end products. As I said, the more that you learn about AI, the more comfortable you will become with it. AI isn’t a dystopian evil come to dominate and replace all humans, like something from 1960’s science fiction. It’s just another way to save time and create works that previously might have been too tedious to routinely pursue as projects. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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On Dec 19, 2024, at 12:05 PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Resistance to change is almost universal, and not age dependent. The young struggle with new and strange things, too. The difference is that the old tend to get scared easily and give up. The young keep on banging at it until they become masters of it. That’s why you can usually ask your twelve year old child to help you with your computer. They have no fear of technology, so they will have invested nearly unlimited time into mastering it. It’s why lots of kids teach themselves how to program at surprisingly young ages. Approaching it doesn’t intimidate them at all. Conversely, it’s why, when I was working as a consultant, when I went to try and explain what really were simple concepts to middle age men, they would often suddenly get angry and shut down. Sometimes going so far as to yell and curse. These folks were scared out of their minds. Very generally, the older folks get, they more resistant (afraid) they become of technology. Don’t try to tell me that this isn’t true. I’ve seen unlimited examples of it. Right this second I can drag in a middle-aged man and a 10-year-old, and offer to teach both of them how to use Microsoft Word, for instance. I’m willing to bet any amount of money on which will become scared out of their mind at the prospect, and which will be very open and receptive. (I’m not saying this to put down old people. I’m an old guy myself. It just is what it is.) __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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On Dec 19, 2024, at 10:52 AM, Jaqi Thompson via groups.io <yywomyn@...> wrote:
While I don’t “trust” Apple nearly as much as do some others, I agree the folks running Apple at this point have ethics above average. Apple is a company, and well above anything else, the reason that a company exists is to make money. A company can usually be expected to do whatever makes them money, with little regard for their customers (other than to keep them buying their products). So, it’s true that ordinarily, you should never trust a company. However, unlike a company like Google, whose entire business model is to offer free services that invade the privacy of their customers, aggregate their personal information, and sell it (they don’t even make a secret of this), Apple makes money by selling hardware. Not just any hardware, but high-end hardware that is sold with, if not a guaranty of the highest security, at least a good chunk of security being built-in. It’s in Apple’s best interests to instill confidence in their products in their customers. That’s Apple’s thing. I don’t think that it’s even a matter of ethics. I think that it’s a matter of company policy, and consumer expectation. If Apple started to disappoint their customers, I think that their customers would leave in droves. Because there is no lack of similar, cheaper, alternatives. What differentiates Apple is their quality and security. Apple knows this and they aren’t stupid enough to do anything that would change customer perceptions of them. However, Apple also has to keep innovating. Even if that scares some consumers (and it does). When Apple stops innovating, their products will become boring, and once again, customers will jump ship in droves for similar cheaper products. Apple adding AI to their products is fundamentally no different than them embracing WYSIWYG, plug and play, SCSI, AppleTalk, USB, all-in-one computers, RISC, SOC, etc. All were considered daring when first released. But each of these differentiated the Macintosh as an advanced product. If Apple doesn’t lead in cutting edge technology, someone else will, and take Apple’s customers away. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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A little off topic but my early Mac club, the Beta Traders, had a motto. ?“If you have to read the manual, it’s not Mac enough”
I’ve had a Mac since February of 1984. ?Still have it with the original box and carrying case.
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On Dec 19, 2024, at 11:22?AM, Pat Taylor via groups.io <pat412@...> wrote:
Nicely put, Susan, thanks for posting. ?I feel the same way on all counts including thanks to Randy for his invaluable comments.
Pat On Dec 19, 2024, at 4:49 AM, Susan Tropeano via < stropeano@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. I am a senior and have just begun embracing the term boomer I hear a lot these days when younger folks refer to something I do that dates me. But I have always thrived on change. So I am itching to start using AI and figure I’d feel most secure to learn with Apple. Thanks for the links!?I’ve also been solely an Apple user since the early 80s when my company forced me to switch from my IBM PC. Back then and for many years after that Apple was not profitable and had no market share. Steve Jobs was great but if a business doesn’t become and stay profitable it will cease to exist.?Lastly, I don’t think of Apple as ‘big brother’. But I trust Apple with my data over any other company of any type.?SusanSent from iPhoneOn Dec 19, 2024, at 3:15?AM, Randy B. Singer via <randy@...> wrote:
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On Dec 18, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Harold Appel via <haroldappel@...> wrote:
I am a long time user and supporter of Apple products and, therefore, an old fogie. ?But with the latest iteration of “improvements,” notably the so-called “intelligence,” I fear that Apple has gone from being the iconoclastic hammer thrower to being Big Brother himself on the screen in the 1984 commercial. Is it just me?
As we get older, it natural to fear change. ?Especially technological change. ?Every single time that Apple has made a big change (in their hardware, or their software), for as long as I can remember, there have been a number of folks who have wailed and lamented over it. ?
“Steve Jobs never would have done this!”
“Apple has lost sight of its users! ?Apple will surely fail due to this change!”
“How can users be expected to adapt to all this new change?!”
Yet…somehow we’ve all managed to adapt. ?Almost every single time, when we look back on these changes after a bit of time has passed, it seems that Apple made the right choice. ?And Apple has consistently grown and has become more successful for the last THREE decades.
Apple Intelligence is nothing to be afraid of. ?It won’t be hard to learn to use or use in practice. ?In fact, it might make a number of difficult things a lot easier. ?It won’t make your computing less secure. ?It won’t force you to change how you do everything if you don’t want to. ?It won’t introduce anything that you will find impossible to understand.
What it WILL do is slowly introduce new apps and features, some or most of which will be insanely awesome! ?Think of putting in a couple of lines of explanatory text into a program to describe a drawing, and having the program create the drawing for you instantly! ?(I’ve done this with my daughter. ?It’s wildly fun!) ?Think of pointing your computer to a long article and asking it to summarize the article in a few sentences. ?This of talking into your computer to create a recording of your voice, and being able to ask the computer to turn that recording instantly into a text file! ?This will all open up a new era of productivity and creativity.
The quickest way to assuage your paranoia about something, is to learn about it. ?Have a look at:
I tried Apple Intelligence on my Mac — it could change the way you use macOS
Apple Intelligence on Mac is AWESOME!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPo98mIY7j8&t=51s
Apple Intelligence on Mac: what it is, what it does, and how to use it
https://thesweetbits.com/apple-intelligence-on-mac-what-it-is-what-it-does-and-how-to-use-it/
Get started with Apple Intelligence on Mac
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/get-started-with-apple-intelligence-mchl46361784/mac
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Best take on that I’ve heard is someone wandering through the monkey field, stops, rips a page out of the typewriter (giggles), and says: Got it! “To be or not , to be, that is thrchxraohh ybroobrrcrch ?onthoeulaoechlolouuhooeusoehunoshlkblaomklapp.”
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The?infinite monkey theorem as an analogy, I think we are asking the monkey for a play instead of reading Shakespeare. I
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