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In a message dated 12/19/00 3:02:53 AM, dac@... writes:

I'd appreciate feedback on which of these vendors I should look at most
closely, and which (if any) I should avoid, based on your experience.
I'm more interested in the "quality" of memory that the vendor supplies,
because I know poor customer service gets you bounced from RAMWATCH, but
if any of you DO have rotten experiences with current RAMWATCH vendors,
I guess I'd like to know about that, too :-)

I've bought from both DMS and OWC on the RAMWatch page with good results.

They both sell "2-2-2" memory, which is the fastest kind there is. Nothing
I've bought from them has failed.

Cheers

Roger

Excellent idea :)

iomug@... sent the following at 12/18/00 8:59 PM

Stacey
It could very well be Adobe ATM causing the problems on your #1 iMac. You
need the latest version of Adobe ATM (4.6.1). Adobe ATM versions earlier
than 4.5.2 cause horrible crashes with OS 9. You can pick up your free ATM
at
Good Luck
Frederic

on 12/18/00 4:03 AM, iomug@... at iomug@... babbled on
about:

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Then when you criticize them you'll be a mile away from
them and you'll have their shoes as well.

RogerKIWI@... didst proclaim:

IMHO this upgrade is not worth it, unless you have a significant investment
in "extras" on the 7200 - loads of RAM, PCI Cards, second hadr drive etc etc.

Addendum to my personal upgrade path: by buying a used 7600 and upgrading
the processor, I was able to move all of my RAM, my hard drives, my video
card, and all of my peripherals from my 7200 to the 7600. Took less than 30
minutes :-)

--
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Sarcasm is just one more service we offer.

Stacey Roof didst proclaim:

BTW Sonnet now offers an upgrad path for 7200s

Rob,
Found them-thanks. wish I would have known about this $500 upgrade before
buying the new iMac. I've been waiting for these for two years. Ouch.

Stacey - don't feel too bad. I had a 7200/75. To upgrade, I bought a used
7600/132 from PowerMax for about $350, and then bought a "clearance" 375MHz
G3 card from Sonnet for about $150. It still cost around $500, but it was
still a better deal than the Sonnet 7200 upgrade because the 7600 is a
better base unit than the 7200. Meaning now I have 8 RAM slots, A/V
input/output, and I get to keep all three PCI slots, because the 7600
processor is on a daughtercard in its own slot.

--
Rik Osborne
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I just want revenge. Is that so wrong?

A while ago, if you were clever/lucky, you could get Apple maintenance
manuals in pdf format (not handbooks) by downloading them from the APPLE
Europe ftp site. I got a couple (for old kit) which have proved invaluable.
However, with the passage of time I find the need for a couple more but the
old ftp address has come up with a blank. Obviously Apple are not
interested in giving folk easy access to these things because they are
meant for the official repair chaps but, for those of us who know how to
use a soldering iron and how not to die from intimate struggles with a CRT,
it seems a little Blairish to take them away. Does anyone know if they
have been moved and, if so, where to?

Thanks

Drew

At 11:11 PM -0500 on 12/16/00, I heard from Daniel Gagner, saying:

Unsticking that hard drive in the SE sounds strange but he's exactly right.
I had an SE in the late 80's early 90's. I'd have to turn my SE upside down
sometimes during startup to get it to work. A lot of early 40-80 mb Quantum
drives had this problem.

When you do this, do you leave it upside down or turn it back over? I have a 2 gig drive that got hot and I think the heads stuck to the platter. I haven't messed with it much - need to get something to transfer to before I start it up! I thought you couldn't move the drives while they are on - or am I mistaken?

Michele

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At 4:56 PM -0600 on 12/17/00, I heard from Jon Bonner, saying:

On 12/16/00 6:10 PM, Patrick Benton <ptrkbenton@...> wrote:

I receive my IOMUG mail via OE 5.02, at Earthlink. Beginning today, most of
the individual messages I've received (like this one) have included an eGroups
Sponsor ad. They take forever to load, and I'd rather not have to deal with
them. Since the group's move to eGroups, I've been more than a little
confused. I had hoped to wait until we'd officially left the UTA site before
making any drastic changes to my subscription. Is there some re-setting of my
OE prefs that I need to attend to - or should the ads be eliminated on the
sender's end of the posts?

Go to the eGroups web site and change your subscription settings from
receiving HTML messages to receiving plain text messages. When you do you'll
still get ads, but they'll be text ads instead of the banners you don't
appreciate.

Jon Bonner

The LIST needs to be made non-HTML before the pieces will go away. I have mine set to no HTML - and still get the pictures. The LIST needs to be set to accept NO ATTACHMENTS - this will turn all the picture ads into simple typewritten ads as below:


While it is annoying, it is MUCh better than the flashing picture and then all those items get stuck in my Eudora mail and I have to delete them manually eventually!

Michele

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Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.

Hiya...
Can someone refresh my memory for how to change what appears in the "To:"
line when simultaneously sending Bcc:s?

Thanks....
Yolanda
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Sometimes it's just plain yellow.
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In a message dated 12/18/00 9:02:01 PM, rik@... writes:

RogerKIWI@... didst proclaim:

IMHO this upgrade is not worth it, unless you have a significant investment
in "extras" on the 7200 - loads of RAM, PCI Cards, second hadr drive

etc etc.

Addendum to my personal upgrade path: by buying a used 7600 and upgrading
the processor, I was able to move all of my RAM, my hard drives, my video
card, and all of my peripherals from my 7200 to the 7600. Took less than
30
minutes :-)

And further to this, I found this site a couple of days ago - selling a
chassis of the 7500 that can be upgraded with a G3 processor for not much
over $150 (and upwards) and still take the RAM, drives etc from a 7200...



egory_Code=Mac

Cheers

Roger

I'm again requesting instructions on how to assess member only information at the web site. The password I was given in an e-mail with all the changes doesn't work. I have tried it numerous times to make sure I wasn't typing it wrong. Has anyone else had this problem? Most importantly how do I get this problem handled? Thanks. Zentura


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What mail client do you use? Most have the ability to burst digests; you
should not need an external utility. Also, there are several differing
digest formats. Egroups uses one peculiar to Egroups and OneList, so you
need a program that understands its format to burst it.
--

I am using Eudora Pro 4.2 and would love to know how to burst the new egroup digest into separate messages.

Woud appreciate details on how to do it.


...Fred

James A.Rodriguez said:

I've been using Entourage as my main mail client for about a month and
have found it almost entirely enjoyable.

One problem: in Outlook Express, when you delete a message from the
Inbox, it goes to the next unread message (next one down if you have it
arranged by Sent date). In Entourage, deleting a message takes me to the
next message above the deleted message, which is usually one I've
already read and decided to keep for awhile. I then have to select the
next unread message manually to delete or keep it (in OE I could just
press delete several times to get rid of all the unwanted messages going
down the list).

Is there any way to change this behavior to the more reasonable OE
behavior? I've searched through the preferences with no luck. Any help
would be much appreciated...

__________ End of quote __________


OK, I propose that you try a behavior on your side :)

Use the mouse to click on the down arrow in the toolbar of the message that
you are reading. Click and hold, then select Next Message and Delete or
Previous Message and Delete.

I know that it is annoying to learn something new since it doesn't work like
Outlook Express, but I've been doing it for a while now and I got used to
it.


Munger

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On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:05:17 -0500, "Fred J. Keene" <fkeene@...> wrote:

I just modified my membership to send individual messages rather than
the digest. I had preferred the IOMUG digest before, because it came
as just one message and opening the digest gave all the individual
messages. I could then select the messages I wished to keep and
transfer them to another mailbox. I have found no way to do this
with the egroup digests.

What mail client do you use? Most have the ability to burst digests; you
should not need an external utility. Also, there are several differing
digest formats. Egroups uses one peculiar to Egroups and OneList, so you
need a program that understands its format to burst it.
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Scripts for OE and Entourage: <>

BTW Sonnet now offers an upgrad path for 7200s

Rob,
Found them-thanks. wish I would have known about this $500 upgrade before buying the new iMac. I've been waiting for these for two years. Ouch.
stacey

Also, I am concerned that others replying to questions may not think
to send to the whole group and the rest of us will miss out on the
reply. Perhaps this situation is no different that it was
before....I'm just thinking about it now.

...Fred

This concern has been expressed by many other group members already,
and I'd like to echo it as well. I have a feeling that many of the
replies are not getting to the whole list b/c the address has to be
manually added to the "reply". (I suppose from Eudora, I could
configure a filter to do this.)
Anyway, I have a feeling that I've missed the answers to many of the
questions that would have loved hear....That's my two-cents!
Stacey
ps. oops, just did it again (replied to individual instead of
list--have to resend)
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Work: 303-545-9683
Home: 303-554-0546
Mobile: 303-517-2840

BTW Sonnet now offers an upgrad path for 7200s

Hello Rob,
You are kidding me? Where do I find these options? They are never available in my Mac Mall, Connection, etc. Even for the /90? Any direction you could give would be appreciated.
Stacey
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Work: 303-545-9683
Home: 303-554-0546
Mobile: 303-517-2840

Thanks to everyone for the everymac.com site. I'll check it out. I already have gone to E-bay and typed in my model, but came up dry. I'm sure it was user error-I'll try again.

As for your iMacs, you could be running into two problems. The first is
that there were several changes made with Mac OS 9 that made older versions
of certain software incompatible with it. One of the mail culprits is Adobe
Type Manager. If you have a version of ATM prior to version 4.5.2 it will

Mine is 4.0.2. That must have been part of it--although after I trashed the ATM control panel, my instability issues continued.

The second problem you could be running into, is that recently, Apple has
started making their system CD's machine specific. In other words, the disk
is designed to work only with the type of machine it came with. Usually,
this will mean that when you try to install something from a disk that came
with another machine, you will not be allowed to because the firmware is
not the correct type.

I figured it was something like that, however it did allow the installation (It would not on our Wallstreet PowerBook). Is there any way to do a custom install that would avoid installing all the cd-rom/DVD specific extensions, etc. from the OS 9 and then just re-install (or keep) the ones from my 8.6 specific to this machine?

Also, if anyone out there has any opinions on ConflictCatcher 8.0 and its compatibility with other software I'd love to hear them. (I have PhotoShop 5.5, Illustrator 8.0, Dreamweaver 3.0, Filemaker Pro 3, to name a few) I bought it because MacWorld gave it 5 mice (sucker??) and I'm a fan of D. Pogue who wrote the manual (shoulda just joined the fan club), but it really has not been useful to me as most of my problems are intermittent. I suspect it may be the culprit at times.

Thanks again,
Stacey

Hi,

I'm looking to sell my old 7200/90 (you know, that odd,
non-upgradable model). Anyone know of a site that that can give me a
ball-park resale value? Or maybe some of you might know. It has 96 MB
RAM.
I read in a previous post there there was a site that did just this,
but did not get the URL.

Also, I have 2 iMacs: #1 is a 333/192 running OS 8.6, #2 is a 450/192
running OS 9.0.4. #2 has fire wire and DVD drive, while #1 does not.
I would like to upgrade #1 to 9.0.4 (via the CDs that came with #2)
but when I last tried the result was multiple crashes in every
application, including the finder on start-up. I gave up and did a
clean install of 8.6.

My question: Does this have anything to do with the DVD or Firewire
Extensions that are being installed? I wiped all those out and even
ran ConflictCatcher, but to no avail (CC's assessment was that Adobe
ATM was the culprit, but CC is another story)...Could this be an
Apple software piracy safeguard? Do I have to purchase a new copy of

> OS 9 to install on #1, rather than using the CD's that came with #2?
> Even though I personally own both computers (one personal, one for
> business) am I supposed to maintain separate software for each

one--ethically and otherwise?

I realize this is a mouthful--thanks in advance for input,

Stacey

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On 12/18/00 7:31 AM, John <jgross@...> wrote:

Yea, but even if we all agreed, everyone on the list would do the same
math, decide to let someone else send in their $1 and he would probably
not receive enough to cover the fee.

So that idea probably isn't very practical. Since Mark receives the user
group store points from IOMUG purchases and has for years, perhaps he'd find
it in his heart to pay the fee himself. Just an idea, nothing more...

Jon Bonner

Daly,
The BBEdit method would be fine for my personal address book, but I maintain a mailing list of 5,000 plus names and addresses (not to mention "groups" of names assigned to one nickname). Using a script to search out duplicates would be very helpful to me. Ideally, Eudora would add this function to their software-I've already submitted it to their "wish-list".
Thanks,
Stacey

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<mailto:stacey@...>
Work: 303-545-9683
Home: 303-554-0546
Mobile: 303-517-2840