Re: a very simple question (I hope)
Again, option+v ? √√√√√√√ ? ?doesn’t matter if caps are on or off
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On May 14, 2025, at 1:38 PM, kurt youngmann <tgobbi@...> wrote:
Can someone please tell me how to make a check mark on the Mac keyboard.
Thanx,
Kurt Youngmann
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
The update doesn’t likely have anything to do with phone calls. If you plug your iPhone into your Mac and?keep the software on your iPhone up to date, these software updates enable your Mac to continue communicating with your iPhone.
The notice is an invitation to install the update, not exactly an alert. Perhaps the only way to “turn it off” is to stop plugging your iPhone into your Mac.
If your Mac rings when a call comes in, you can disable Calls From iPhone in FaceTime preferences as FaceTime manages this feature. Again, this is unrelated to the software update notice you asked about.
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On May 16, 2025, at 17:03, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Thank you for telling me what it most likely does.?So is there any way to turn off the alert? Is there any way to turn off the alert?
I don’t use the Mac to make phone calls, so I see no need for the update. If I have to use a usb cable to connect the iPhone to the Mac, I don’t need this feature. We need another setting to turn this feature off.?
Brent??
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
On May 15, 2025, at 6:59 PM, Ben Rosenthal via < ben@...> wrote:
Periodically, Apple issues software updates designed to make your Mac talk to your iPhone more reliably. These don’t install as part of normal macOS update channels and only pop up when you plug your iPhone into your Mac. I’ve never seen a problem with these.
As of macOS 10.15, iPhone device/sync/backup management takes place in the Finder whereas prior versions used iTunes.
Since the recent update to iOS 18.4.1, I get the message. “A software update is required to connect to your phone.”. Since this did not pop up before this update, instead it opened Photos to transfer the photos from the iPhone to my Mac mini, I have to ask by and what does it do?
iPhone XR, now running iOS 18.4.1 Mac mini, late 2012, running macOS 10.15.7, Catalina, the highest OS it can run
I am being cautious because some updates mess up old OSes and are not easily reversible.
After reading,?, I find I can connect to the iPhone in the?sidebar of any window in the Finder, with the added benefit of no longer opening Photos.?
Brent??
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
Thank you for telling me what it most likely does.?So is there any way to turn off the alert? Is there any way to turn off the alert?
I don’t use the Mac to make phone calls, so I see no need for the update. If I have to use a usb cable to connect the iPhone to the Mac, I don’t need this feature. We need another setting to turn this feature off.?
Brent??
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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On May 15, 2025, at 6:59 PM, Ben Rosenthal via < ben@...> wrote:
Periodically, Apple issues software updates designed to make your Mac talk to your iPhone more reliably. These don’t install as part of normal macOS update channels and only pop up when you plug your iPhone into your Mac. I’ve never seen a problem with these.
As of macOS 10.15, iPhone device/sync/backup management takes place in the Finder whereas prior versions used iTunes.
Since the recent update to iOS 18.4.1, I get the message. “A software update is required to connect to your phone.”. Since this did not pop up before this update, instead it opened Photos to transfer the photos from the iPhone to my Mac mini, I have to ask by and what does it do?
iPhone XR, now running iOS 18.4.1 Mac mini, late 2012, running macOS 10.15.7, Catalina, the highest OS it can run
I am being cautious because some updates mess up old OSes and are not easily reversible.
After reading,?, I find I can connect to the iPhone in the?sidebar of any window in the Finder, with the added benefit of no longer opening Photos.?
Brent??
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
Periodically, Apple issues software updates designed to make your Mac talk to your iPhone more reliably. These don’t install as part of normal macOS update channels and only pop up when you plug your iPhone into your Mac. I’ve never seen a problem with these.
As of macOS 10.15, iPhone device/sync/backup management takes place in the Finder whereas prior versions used iTunes.
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On May 15, 2025, at 14:43, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Since the recent update to iOS 18.4.1, I get the message. “A software update is required to connect to your phone.”. Since this did not pop up before this update, instead it opened Photos to transfer the photos from the iPhone to my Mac mini, I have to ask by and what does it do?
iPhone XR, now running iOS 18.4.1 Mac mini, late 2012, running macOS 10.15.7, Catalina, the highest OS it can run
I am being cautious because some updates mess up old OSes and are not easily reversible.
After reading,?, I find I can connect to the iPhone in the?sidebar of any window in the Finder, with the added benefit of no longer opening Photos.?
Brent??
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Update is required to connect to your phone?
Since the recent update to iOS 18.4.1, I get the message. “A software update is required to connect to your phone.”. Since this did not pop up before this update, instead it opened Photos to transfer the photos from the iPhone to my Mac mini, I have to ask by and what does it do?
iPhone XR, now running iOS 18.4.1 Mac mini, late 2012, running macOS 10.15.7, Catalina, the highest OS it can run
I am being cautious because some updates mess up old OSes and are not easily reversible.
After reading,?, I find I can connect to the iPhone in the?sidebar of any window in the Finder, with the added benefit of no longer opening Photos.?
Brent??
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Ah, that made me think I was back working for Vestas. Good memories.
Brent??
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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On May 15, 2025, at 10:51 AM, Peter Rasmusen < peter@...> wrote:
Sorry for my last mail, it was obviously not to this list.
If the list mom or list dad or whatever can delete it, please do. If not, just leave it and forget about it.
It wasn’t very interesting anyway.
:-)
Peter
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Ah … clever. I just did.?
Thanks Ben!?
:-)?
Peter
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On 15 May 2025, at 20.07, Ben Rosenthal via < ben@...> wrote:
You can sign into ?to delete your message. On May 15, 2025, at 10:51, Peter Rasmusen < peter@...> wrote:
Sorry for my last mail, it was obviously not to this list.
If the list mom or list dad or whatever can delete it, please do. If not, just leave it and forget about it.
It wasn’t very interesting anyway.
:-)
Peter
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You can sign into ?to delete your message.
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On May 15, 2025, at 10:51, Peter Rasmusen <peter@...> wrote:
Sorry for my last mail, it was obviously not to this list.
If the list mom or list dad or whatever can delete it, please do. If not, just leave it and forget about it.
It wasn’t very interesting anyway.
:-)
Peter
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
I have always used the √ sign and has never had any complaints.?
But it’s an interesting question, and I love mysteries, so … yes, there is a solution (probably more, but here’s one) and it’s simple:?
You can easily make your own shortcut …?
System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text Replacements?
Click the + to add one and type e.g. ;v (or whatever else you feel like, that you normally don’t use) and then paste in this:??
It works for me in instantly in Messages and I also made it work in Mail too, but I had to dig a little to make it wok in Mail. So here’s the trick.?
1. Open Mail
2. Create a new email
3. In the menu bar, click Edit > Substitutions > Text Replacement
4. Make sure it’s checked/enabled
5. Type the shortcut (e.g., ;v) in the body of the message, then hit space — it should convert to ? Now it also works in Mail.? ? It seems it also works in Text Edit and in Safari, if you ever have to type text in Safari.?
I also tried in Word, but no luck … Word has it’s own text replacement, so you have to set up you're replacements sin Word.?
For other apps, I havent tested.?
But anyway … it seems I can be made to work faily easy.?
I also came across an app called Espanso () … it’s free, but and its a bit tricky to get started with. You have to use Terminal.
If needed, I can - to the best of my abilities - try to type a relatively simple “how to”.?
But at least now you know how to get ? that is not a √?
:-)
Peter
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On 15 May 2025, at 16.51, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
On May 15, 2025, at 7:42 AM, Jaqi Thompson via groups.io <yywomyn@...> wrote:
None of the Character Viewer checkmarks I found look like the one Randy has; where did that one come from?
Different fonts have different, usually hidden, extended characters. ?I think that one was from Lucinda Grande. ?You have to hit some combination of modifier keys to get it. ?I just pulled it from a form that I once created. There used to be utilities that would give you a list of all of the extended characters included with each of your installed fonts. ?I haven’t looked lately to see if any of these still exist. ?Nowadays I just save time and cut and paste special characters from past documents if I don’t know where and how to access them. _______________________ Randy _______________________
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
On May 15, 2025, at 7:42 AM, Jaqi Thompson via groups.io <yywomyn@...> wrote:
None of the Character Viewer checkmarks I found look like the one Randy has; where did that one come from? Different fonts have different, usually hidden, extended characters. I think that one was from Lucinda Grande. You have to hit some combination of modifier keys to get it. I just pulled it from a form that I once created. There used to be utilities that would give you a list of all of the extended characters included with each of your installed fonts. I haven’t looked lately to see if any of these still exist. Nowadays I just save time and cut and paste special characters from past documents if I don’t know where and how to access them. _______________________ Randy _______________________
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
Hi, Otto, Of course you are right, Option v ?√ ?is a square root symbol! ?It also makes a beautiful checkmark. ?My old mind knew that once upon a time, but had completely forgotten that way to get a checkmark from the keyboard as Kurt requested, as well as forgotten that a square root symbol was on the Mac. Also, in my first reply to Kurt, I said the iPhone emojis, aka Character Viewer, has two checkmarks, but there are actually 5 or more versions: ? ??? ?? ?? ? ??
When you do a Search in Character Viewer, just enter “check”. ?That gives you more options than the full “checkmark.” ?Some of those additional options are not checkmarks at all, but searching “checkmarks” does not bring up all the actual checkmarks.
And, of course, you can re-size using command+ or command-
None of the Character Viewer checkmarks I found look like the one Randy has; where did that one come from? Jaqi?
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On May 15, 2025, at 4:23?AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
On 15 May 2025, at 11:30, Randy B. Singer via < randy@...> wrote: On May 14, 2025, at 10:38 AM, kurt youngmann <tgobbi@...> wrote:
Can someone please tell me how to make a check mark on the Mac keyboard. Copy and paste this: ?? ?
Or Show Emoji & Symbols (Character Viewer) > Bullets/Stars (3rd row from bottom) > Add to Favourites,
Otto 10.15.7
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I didn't remember how to get a checkmark, so I went to my Keyboard Viewer. ?
Odd. ?Although it shows as an A+ on the toolbar, it briefly changes to the US keyboard, when I click on it. I have always had an Extended keyboard (A+).
Unsure when it changed, but even though the System shows there is an A+ connected, the only keyboard display is the US keyboard.
Disconnect/reconnect finds and reconnects the A+, but still only shows the US keyboard in the viewer.
Another change in recent upgrade/updates? ?
I guess I should test EVERY MacOS feature and function after every update…once I find where they got moved and/or renamed
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
On 15 May 2025, at 11:30, Randy B. Singer via < randy@...> wrote: On May 14, 2025, at 10:38 AM, kurt youngmann <tgobbi@...> wrote:
Can someone please tell me how to make a check mark on the Mac keyboard. Copy and paste this: ?? ?
Or Show Emoji & Symbols (Character Viewer) > Bullets/Stars (3rd row from bottom) > Add to Favourites,
Otto 10.15.7
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
On May 14, 2025, at 10:38 AM, kurt youngmann <tgobbi@...> wrote:
Can someone please tell me how to make a check mark on the Mac keyboard.
Copy and paste this: ?? ?
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Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible?(4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Essential But Hard To Find?Macintosh Software and Advice
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
As I said earlier, it’s actually a square root symbol, but it’s “close enough”: √ opt-v vs ? Character Viewer > Bullets/Stars
Otto
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On 15 May 2025, at 00:10, Bob Hasselbrink via < hippie1@...> wrote:
I guess Option + v, which I have always used, could be considered a concept of a check mark.
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
I guess Option + v, which I have always used, could be considered a concept of a check mark.
Bob
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On May 14, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Ben Rosenthal via < ben@...> wrote:
I don’t think there’s a keyboard shortcut for that character, but you can insert it using?. As an extension, you could copy this character and create a Text Replacement Shortcut to insert it. On May 14, 2025, at 10:39, kurt youngmann <tgobbi@...> wrote:
? Can someone please tell me how to make a check mark on the Mac keyboard.
Thanx,
Kurt Youngmann
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
That’s the square root symbol, although it looks a little like a check mark (tick in the UK).
I find it strange that there isn’t a tick symbol available without going into emoji, etc. If I used it a lot, I’d set it up as a key combo.
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On 14 May 2025, at 18:47, Steve Kane via < skane-l@...> wrote:
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Option-V makes a reasonable check mark depending on the font you are using.
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
This is what I use!
Sent from iPhone
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On May 14, 2025, at 1:48?PM, Steve Kane via groups.io <skane-l@...> wrote:
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Option-V makes a reasonable check mark depending on the font you are using.
On May 14, 2025, at 12:38?PM, kurt youngmann <tgobbi@...> wrote:
Can someone please tell me how to make a check mark on the Mac keyboard.
Thanx,
Kurt Youngmann
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Problems upgrading macOS from v15.4 to v15.5
Well, this is why I always wait a week or so to install significant updates, until all the bugs get worked out and the patches get launched.?
Of course, my issue could be unique to my hardware for some reason, but just a heads up if you are running an external display(s).?
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On an M-chipped MacBook Air I upgraded today from Sequoia v15.4.1 to v15.5. Connected to the MBA via USB-C is an LG 5k external display, with spaces and two displays configured and stable in system settings prior to the upgrade.?
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After running the upgrade the external display did was not recognized at all, and all of the open apps, spaces, windows, all ended up jumbled on the MBA with the external display dead. Having experienced various oddities over the decades I knew the first thing to try was simply hands-off and shut down. Then after the first restart, at least now the external display was recognized and somewhat functional, however it took quite some time to figure out where some of the spaces, apps, and windows had disappeared to.?
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After more reboots, and troubleshooting I discovered some of the apps were somehow "off" of the current screen (space) and were revealed when I used the F3 key, which may vary from model to model, but normally shows you everything within a space or a display that's either covered up or totally off the screen entirely. Even stranger was when the "missing" apps appeared with the F3 key, even when I dragged them back into a space they flew off again. I finally figured out that I needed to "quit" the lost app and relaunch it into a "fresh" space. That worked.?
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Sorry, if I'm not being clear, or if you don't use spaces, etc. but just a heads up that if you are using external displays to be ready for some troubleshooting.?
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
? ? Hi Kurt, ?you asked how to make a checkmark from ?your keyboard, but the unacceptable two slant bars \/ ?(don’t know their real name) can easily be beat using iPhone emojis. ?Plus Apple offers easy ways to get either of their good checkmark emojis into whatever you’re doing on a Mac. ?See 2 screenshots below. ?There’s more, but you can see the Apple website within the screenshot and find more on your own.
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On May 14, 2025, at 10:38?AM, kurt youngmann <tgobbi@...> wrote:
Can someone please tell me how to make a check mark on the Mac keyboard.
Thanx,
Kurt Youngmann
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