Hello all,
I see that this thread has wandered a little off; but the discussion of the efficacy of upgrading/updating the OS as a fix for a singular problem has been good.
Early in the discussion we went over some approaches to the problem. I had already considered most of them. Bob Hasselbrink suggested that the case might be interfering with the proximity sensor. I do not have a screen protector installed; just a case that covers the back and edges (except the camera and microphone).
But, what the heck, removing the case doesn't cost anything. I removed the case. I left the case off for 36 hrs. and did not have a repeat of the problem. It had been happening more and more frequently. The case was surprisingly dirty on the inside. It seems that the grippy texture of the inside of the case causes very fine dirt to stick to it. I thoroughly cleaned the case but left if off for the aforementioned 36 hours. I put the clean case back on and still the problem has not returned.
I can not see an opening for the proximity sensor. Maybe it looks through the speaker opening. But considering that it is "looking" out the front of the screen, I can not figure out how having a case on the back of the machine can interfere with its function. BUT, my machine is working for now so I will let this sleeping dog lie.
Thanks everyone for helping with my problem.
Cheers,
Steve
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Kinda feel dumb w/this question but here goes. ?
I cloned my 2009 MacBook Pro 13" boot drive to a new SSD some years back using CCC and it never seemed very snappy after this, or at least not much, if any snappier than when the boot drive was a the original hybrid drive.
Back then I just wanted to start from the system I had already made and the apps that were installed. ?Running El Capitan/10.11.6. ?This is the last OS the machine can run. ?
So upon startup, MenuMeters shows the 2 cores maxed out for an extended period slowing down the entire system. ?
Activity Monitor shows these things going on. MRT is another culprit that eats up the processor not showing today. ?All of these things cause the fan to run continuously until things settle down which takes 5-10 minutes.
Ideally I'd like to reinstall the OS without wiping the data on the machine. ?
What I'd like to know is if that's not advisable, and save me the grief of doing it all again. ?
This machine is basically for movie playback on our TV's via the mini dv port to HDMI converter to the TV's. ?I will want to keep or put back (depending on advice here) Photoshop and MS Office. The playback software is VLC which seems to need all kinds of tweaks to get playback decent and all the suggested ones have not helped so thinking a reinstall or wipe reinstall is what it needs. ?The battery is dead and I was told yesterday by some repair shops they no longer have the battery for it which is OK. ?
Thanks for any advice!
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Re: Baffling Apple Mail Mess
Sounds like the iCloud account you set up on the iMac may have an error. Check the settings for that iCloud account, and your bikerbob and rfg on the iCloud and the iMac. Check the spelling immaculately.?
If that doesn’t work, call Apple. Give them access to the iMac.?
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On Aug 24, 2023, at 15:00, Bob Gerard via groups.io <rowerbob@...> wrote:
? On Aug 24, 2023, at 17:29, Ben Rosenthal <ben@...> wrote:
Do you have this iCloud email account set up as part of your Apple ID settings or as a separate Mail account?
At the risk of sounding dense, Ben, I am not sure what you mean.
I have three icloud email address to or from which emails may be sent: ?an @me.com, an @icloud.com (my @mac.com stopped working years ago and therefore has been abandoned) and I set up one alias email account ending in @icloud.com.
When I queue up an email to send, I can choose among any of those three and this morning could send an email from any of them.
I come home from the gym, tried to send an email from my rfg1647@icloud account and got that alert and could not send mail…unless I open my 2015 MB Pro and, voila, I can send mail from my iCloud address.
Makes no sense whatsoever.
Bob ——— “The more I practice, the luckier I get.” - Source uncertain
Bob ——— “The more I practice, the luckier I get.” - Source uncertain
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Re: Where did all the Mail Rules files go in Ventura?
Good point, Ben.? Rules on iCloud only work on email to Apple email addresses.?
I hadn’t thought of that one. I had started writing Rules for a POP account, like Roger, before iCloud
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On Aug 24, 2023, at 09:06, Ben Rosenthal <ben@...> wrote:
? The rules at iCloud.com cannot be as complex as those in Mail. Also, they are limited to your iCloud email address. Mail’s rules can act on any email accounts you have set up there.
Apart from that, the main limitation of Mail’s rules is that Mail has to be running on an awake Mac for them to run. Server-based rules always run as long as servers are always on, which we assume to be continuous. On Aug 24, 2023, at 08:49, Bob Gerard via groups.io <rowerbob@...> wrote:
? Since we are on the subject of Mail Rules, would anyone care to comment on the advice - which I have seen offered several times - that your best bet for constructing rules in Apple’s Mail.app is to log into Mail at iCloud.com and create the rules there instead of using the Mail > Settings > Rules???
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Re: Where did all the Mail Rules files go in Ventura?
On Aug 24, 2023, at 09:01, Roger Moffat via groups.io <rogerkiwi@...> wrote:
I have 33 eMail accounts between various identities of me at various providers “Who is that masked man?” Did you hear the announcer for the Lone Ranger, too?
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Re: Baffling Apple Mail Mess
Computers are your friend. A friend given to practical jokes.?
Jerry
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? On Aug 24, 2023, at 18:14, Ben Rosenthal <ben@...> wrote:
What happens if you simply take your iCloud account offline and back online on the offending Mac?
Hi Ben,
Go figure. Gave up trying to solve the problem, had dinner, cleaned up, came back upstairs to try again on the 2020 iMac Mail account, the one giving me trouble, and now it works.
No understanding as to why the problem began in the first place; no understanding of why it suddenly just began allowing me to send emails from my iCloud account.
Sheeesh.
Bob ——— “The more I practice, the luckier I get.” - Source uncertain
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On Aug 24, 2023, at 18:14, Ben Rosenthal <ben@...> wrote:
What happens if you simply take your iCloud account offline and back online on the offending Mac?
Hi Ben,
Go figure. Gave up trying to solve the problem, had dinner, cleaned up, came back upstairs to try again on the 2020 iMac Mail account, the one giving me trouble, and now it works.
No understanding as to why the problem began in the first place; no understanding of why it suddenly just began allowing me to send emails from my iCloud account.
Sheeesh.
Bob ——— “The more I practice, the luckier I get.” - Source uncertain
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Re: Where did all the Mail Rules files go in Ventura?
There is no one best way.?
Rules established in the two location have different capabilities and different results.?
Rules on iCloud are:? - limited in what it can do, -- the results are available to all of your devices.?
Rules in the client of one device are:? - may not be possible on devices other than Apple computers, - have more options to what they can do,? - the results may only be available on the device with that Rule.?
For example, I am writing this on an iPhone. I cannot write Rules to this device. I have Rules written on and for my MBP. If I move an email to a mailbox _on_ the MBP, it is not available to my other devices or my iCloud account. If it moves it to a mailbox that is also my iCloud account, then it is available to all.?
So, in effect, if I move an email to Trash, or delete it, those are “mailboxes” also on iCloud, the my other devices and iCloud will show the same results.?
Why do I make the distinction of moving to a mailbox only on my MBP. I keep a smaller number of interesting emails from Apple support groups in those mailboxes.?
So, pick the method that gives you the best results to suit your needs.
In general, yes Rules on your iCloud account are better, because they have fewer options, so you write fewer Rules, and it applies to all devices, and your account. BUT it is not the “be all, end all”, only way to go.? Brent On my iPhone Xr
- There is more than one way to skin a cat on a computer.
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Re: Baffling Apple Mail Mess
Your alias address is not an independent account. It’s an alias to your main iCloud account. Is that rowerbob@... or rfg1647@...?
What happens if you simply take your iCloud account offline and back online on the offending Mac?
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? On Aug 24, 2023, at 17:29, Ben Rosenthal <ben@...> wrote:
Do you have this iCloud email account set up as part of your Apple ID settings or as a separate Mail account?
At the risk of sounding dense, Ben, I am not sure what you mean.
I have three icloud email address to or from which emails may be sent: ?an @me.com, an @icloud.com (my @mac.com stopped working years ago and therefore has been abandoned) and I set up one alias email account ending in @icloud.com.
When I queue up an email to send, I can choose among any of those three and this morning could send an email from any of them.
I come home from the gym, tried to send an email from my rfg1647@icloud account and got that alert and could not send mail…unless I open my 2015 MB Pro and, voila, I can send mail from my iCloud address.
Makes no sense whatsoever.
Bob ——— “The more I practice, the luckier I get.” - Source uncertain
Bob ——— “The more I practice, the luckier I get.” - Source uncertain
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On Aug 24, 2023, at 17:29, Ben Rosenthal <ben@...> wrote:
Do you have this iCloud email account set up as part of your Apple ID settings or as a separate Mail account?
At the risk of sounding dense, Ben, I am not sure what you mean.
I have three icloud email address to or from which emails may be sent: ?an @me.com, an @icloud.com (my @mac.com stopped working years ago and therefore has been abandoned) and I set up one alias email account ending in @icloud.com.
When I queue up an email to send, I can choose among any of those three and this morning could send an email from any of them.
I come home from the gym, tried to send an email from my rfg1647@icloud account and got that alert and could not send mail…unless I open my 2015 MB Pro and, voila, I can send mail from my iCloud address.
Makes no sense whatsoever.
Bob ——— “The more I practice, the luckier I get.” - Source uncertain
Bob ——— “The more I practice, the luckier I get.” - Source uncertain
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Do you have this iCloud email account set up as part of your Apple ID settings or as a separate Mail account?
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On 24 Aug 2023, at 14:24, Bob Gerard via groups.io <rowerbob@...> wrote:
I have Apple Mail set up on two computers:
1. 2020 iMac, SSD, macOS 13.5.1
2. 2015 MB Pro, macOS 12.6.1
Sending Mail from my iCloud account on computer #2 works fine.
Sending Mail from my iCloud account on computer #1 results in this alert:
I enter the correct password and it returns that I have either the wrong password.
I logged into my iCloud.com account with the password I entered in the alert to be double positive that I was using the right password and I was successful.
I have quite mail multiple times. Removing and re-installing an iCloud Mail account is, trust me, something you want to do only as a last resort.
I checked the Apple System Status page and everything is green.
Any suggestions???
Bob
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You’ll always get what you always got.
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On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:24 PM, Bob Gerard via groups.io <rowerbob@...> wrote: I think 'maybe' the dialog wants your machine password, not your AppleID password. It's hard to tell from the wording, but try that.? All the best, John
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I have Apple Mail set up on two computers:
1. 2020 iMac, SSD, macOS 13.5.1
2. 2015 MB Pro, macOS 12.6.1
Sending Mail from my iCloud account on computer #2 works fine.
Sending Mail from my iCloud account on computer #1 results in this alert:
I enter the correct password and it returns that I have either the wrong password.
I logged into my iCloud.com account with the password I entered in the alert to be double positive that I was using the right password and I was successful.
I have quite mail multiple times. Removing and re-installing an iCloud Mail account is, trust me, something you want to do only as a last resort.
I checked the Apple System Status page and everything is green.
Any suggestions???
Bob
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If you always do what you always did,
You’ll always get what you always got.
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Re: AGAIN: Mail disaster - help desperately needed
Sorry to hear about this. Did you friend not have a backup of his Mac? That would have captured all his email which could be restored with relative ease.
Otherwise, can your friend put his old email servers and password back in and have his email return?
If the email is truly on the iPad, you can back it up to your Mac and seek a third-party tool to extract the email data. In Catalina and later, use the Finder; earlier, use iTunes.
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AGAIN - WITHOUT TOO MANY SPELLING ERRORS. ENGLISH IS NOT MY NATIVE LANGUAGE. SORRY.?
Hello friends
At friend of mine had his mail and website with a hosting company, that was hacked and grounded by a ransomeware attack.
Apparently his and 5000 other customers email and websites etc has been encrypted and is basically lost. The hosting company has informed their clients to seek a new hosting company, since it will take a very long time to clean all servers and harddisks and I don’t know … and start all over. They’re practically dead.?
So now the issue is this:?
We have set him up with an account with a new host and he still have his domain name so he can get the same email address he had.?
So … I told him to open Mail, go to Add Account and set up a new account with his email address and the new password and the new servers.?
But he was smart … he thought … (or lazy?) so he just changed the password and the servers for in- and outgoing mail.?
Bingo … everything was hundy dory and the account syncronized with the servers on his new host … and all his old mail was lost in the process!?
How stupid can you be??
Anyways - he is devastated!?
But then it occurs to me, that he has an iPad !!!!?
And luck must be shining on him - it was out of power.?
He said he would charge it, and I said NO! Bring it to me …?
He did today, and I took out the sim card and charged it. It doesn’t recognize my wifi, so I could turn it on safely. ?I instantly put it into flight mode and then looked in Mail. It’s all there!?
Now …?
I can set up his new account (same addresse but new servers) and I guess I can turn on wifi if necessary since the old account will not be able to syncronize with his old host.
My plan was to move all his old email to the new mail account.
I tested if I could do it on my iPhone. I can - I can go into any mailbox, click edit, click select all and then click move and select which mailbox I want to move the mails to.?
Easy. And it works! As I said, I tried it. ? ?
Now, on his iPad (an old iPad Mini 2 with iOS 12.5.7) I can duplicate do most of the process. I can click “Edit" and "Mark All", but the only options I get after that is “Flag" and "Mark as Unread". There’s no “Move”. Or - “move" is there, but it’s greyed out. It appear to only work with manually selected mails … and there are over 2500 …. ??
I cannot select more than 2500 emails one by one, or - yes, I can but … I’m looking for another solution.?
How can I rescue his old mails … how can I move them to his new inbox (without having to click-select 2500 emails one by one).
Can I make a backup of his iPad to my computer and use that as a stepping stone??
Any suggestions? ?
This is the last chance, because he f up his iPhone as well by editing the account settings instead of creating a new account. So this iPad is the only place where we have his old mail.?
Thanks in advance for all suggestions, hints, ideas ?
Peter
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AGAIN - WITHOUT TOO MANY SPELLING ERRORS. ENGLISH IS NOT MY NATIVE LANGUAGE. SORRY.?
Hello friends
At friend of mine had his mail and website with a hosting company, that was hacked and grounded by a ransomeware attack.
Apparently his and 5000 other customers email and websites etc has been encrypted and is basically lost. The hosting company has informed their clients to seek a new hosting company, since it will take a very long time to clean all servers and harddisks and I don’t know … and start all over. They’re practically dead.?
So now the issue is this:?
We have set him up with an account with a new host and he still have his domain name so he can get the same email address he had.?
So … I told him to open Mail, go to Add Account and set up a new account with his email address and the new password and the new servers.?
But he was smart … he thought … (or lazy?) so he just changed the password and the servers for in- and outgoing mail.?
Bingo … everything was hundy dory and the account syncronized with the servers on his new host … and all his old mail was lost in the process!?
How stupid can you be??
Anyways - he is devastated!?
But then it occurs to me, that he has an iPad !!!!?
And luck must be shining on him - it was out of power.?
He said he would charge it, and I said NO! Bring it to me …?
He did today, and I took out the sim card and charged it. It doesn’t recognize my wifi, so I could turn it on safely. ?I instantly put it into flight mode and then looked in Mail. It’s all there!?
Now …?
I can set up his new account (same addresse but new servers) and I guess I can turn on wifi if necessary since the old account will not be able to syncronize with his old host.
My plan was to move all his old email to the new mail account.
I tested if I could do it on my iPhone. I can - I can go into any mailbox, click edit, click select all and then click move and select which mailbox I want to move the mails to.?
Easy. And it works! As I said, I tried it. ? ?
Now, on his iPad (an old iPad Mini 2 with iOS 12.5.7) I can duplicate do most of the process. I can click “Edit" and "Mark All", but the only options I get after that is “Flag" and "Mark as Unread". There’s no “Move”. Or - “move" is there, but it’s greyed out. It appear to only work with manually selected mails … and there are over 2500 …. ??
I cannot select more than 2500 emails one by one, or - yes, I can but … I’m looking for another solution.?
How can I rescue his old mails … how can I move them to his new inbox (without having to click-select 2500 emails one by one).
Can I make a backup of his iPad to my computer and use that as a stepping stone??
Any suggestions? ?
This is the last chance, because he f up his iPhone as well by editing the account settings instead of creating a new account. So this iPad is the only place where we have his old mail.?
Thanks in advance for all suggestions, hints, ideas ?
Peter
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Mail disaster - help desperately needed
Hello friends
At friend of mine had his mail and website with a hosting company, that was hacked and grounded by a ransomeware attack.
Apparently his and 5000 other customers email and websites etc has been encrypted and is basically lost. The hosting company has informed their clients to seek a new hosting company, since it will take a very long time to clean alle servers and harddisks and I don’t know … and start all over. They’re practically dead.?
So now the issue is this:?
We have set him up with an account with a new host and he still have his domain name so he can get the same email address he had.?
So … I told him to open Mail, go to Add Account and set up a new account with his email address and the new password and the new servers.?
But he was smart … he thought … (or lazy?) so he just changed the password and the servers for in- and outgoing mail.?
Bingo … everything was hundy dory and the account syncronized with the servers on his new host … and all his old mail was lost in the process!?
How stupid can you be??
Anyways - he is devastated!?
But then it occurs to me, that he has an iPad !!!!?
And luck must be shining on him - it was out of power.?
He said he would chatrge it, and I said NO! Bring it to me …?
He did today, and I took out the sim card and charged it. It doesn’t recognize my wifi, so I could turn it on safely. ?I instantly out it in flight mode and then looked in Mail. It’s all there!?
Now …?
I can set up his new account (same addresse but new servers) and I guess I can turn on wifi if necessary since the old accomut will not be able to syncronize with his old host.
My plan was to move all his old email to the new mail account.
I tested if I cluld do it on my iPhone. i can - I can go into any mailbox, clikc edit, click select all and then clikc move and select which mailbox I want to move the mails to.?
Easy. And it works! As I said, i tried it. ? ?
Now, on his iPad (unfortunately an old iPad Mini 2 with iOS 12.5.7) I duplicate do most of the process. I can click “Edit" and "Mark All", but the only options I get after that is “Flag" and "Mark as Unread". There’s no “Move”. Or - “move" is there, but it’s greyed out. It appear to only work with manually selected mails … and there are over 2500 …. ??
I cannot select more than 2500 emails one by one, or - yes, i can but … I’m looking for another solution.?
How can I rescue his old mails … how can I move then to his new inbox (without having to click-select 2500 emails one by one).
Can I make a backup of his iPad to my computer and use that as a stepping stone??
Any suggestions? ?
This is the last chance, because he f up his iPhone as well by editing the account settings instead of creating a new account. So this iPad is the only place where we have his old mail.?
Thanks in advance for all suggestions, hints, ideas ?
Peter
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Re: Where did all the Mail Rules files go in Ventura?
On Aug 24, 2023, at 2:26 PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote: Don’t feel bad, people without dyslexia sometimes can’t see things.?
Proof, the saying, if it were a snake, it would have bit me. ?? Brent . . . sometimes I see dead people! ?? Cheers, John
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iOS/iPadOS upgrades always change default settings.
While upgrades/updates can add new features, they can also remove functionality that was previously there. Always read what the upgrade / update does. Once it is done, you cannot get back to a previous version on iPhones and iPads without a jailbreak and even then not always. It might be possible for MacOS itself, but not for the fainthearted.
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Thursday, August 24, 2023, 8:12:55 PM, Brent via groups.io whodo678@... wrote:
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Don’t feel bad, people without dyslexia sometimes can’t see things.?
Proof, the saying, if it were a snake, it would have bit me. ??
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On Aug 24, 2023, at 08:19, John Hay via groups.io <OceanCity@...> wrote:
? On Aug 24, 2023, at 11:10 AM, Ben Rosenthal <ben@...> wrote: Wasn’t that exactly where you expected to find the file in the first place?
Yes! To be honest.? I'm dyslexic. Story of my life. It must have been there right in front of me the whole time. Oh well. I persist forward, albeit at a slower pace than most. All the best, John?
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And Bob, I have found that if there is a corrupted extension, pref, list, or (I understand we once again have) extensions, upgrading or migrating doesn’t solve the problem. It just brings it along.?
Upgrades add new features and sometimes changes default settings. Upgrades fix known bugs, but this is not a bug. This is a one-off, an error in one system. A bug is repeatable on many systems.?
I don’t often have problems. I have an issue at the moment, unrelated to this thread on my iphone. I’ve had this (my) issue before. I was sure it was solved by an update, but it won’t solve the current one. I have gone thru 5 iOS incremental updates. Still there. I spoke to Apple Support, and have done the least inconvenient attempt , with no joy. So I am left with manually backing up and restoring the iOS. That should fix a one-off error on one system. Same, same, no upgrade available. I’m on 16.6.
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On Aug 23, 2023, at 13:42, Bob Gerard via groups.io <rowerbob@...> wrote:
? On Aug 23, 2023, at 15:39, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Updates to fix a problem seldom help. Fix the opoblem, then move forward.?
I have found that more often than not, when folks update, the problem frequently goes away.
YMMV, but why spend hours trying to solve a problem when a simple update might do the trick.
If the problem isn’t solved, OK, now try to find it. ?No harm/no foul.
Bob? —— Scientists say the?universe is made?up of protons,?neutrons and?electrons.? They?forgot to mention?morons.
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