Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
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On Apr 10, 2025, at 10:09?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? I guess I am all wet.?
I don’t use the feature “delete after”. And now that a couple of you have reminded me, it is a setting to delete emails from Trash.?
So I am not aware of another built-in “delete after” feature in Mail. So I think John is SOL.? On Apr 9, 2025, at 14:23, Ben Rosenthal via groups.io <ben@...> wrote:
? Brent, are you referring to the Mailbox Behaviors setting that automatically deletes emails in the Junk or Trash mailboxes after a day, week, or month? On Apr 9, 2025, at 13:27, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Unless there is a major change in Mail with Sequoia, the ability to delete emails after XX days was a universal setting that applied to all emails.?
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Re: Warning: New MacBook Pro M4 Pro & Old Monitor
I believe I saw mention of HDMI v 1.4 and 2.4 in a recent Wikipedia article. Just goes to show you that it is written by people who are not necessarily correct, or that our understanding or memory of the articles are not necessarily accurate.
Yet the only versions commonly mentioned or available are v 1.0, 1.1, 2.0 or 2.1. But I did run into HDMI cables that had only one docked corner. Another way of describing the connectors, instead of 6-sided, they were 5-sided.
Brent
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On Apr 10, 2025, at 02:49, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
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On Apr 9, 2025, at 2:33 PM, Bob Gerard via groups.io <rowerbob@...> wrote:
there are different versions of HDMI cables.
There are versions 1.4, 2.0, and 2.4.
1.4 is capable of a Maximum Resolution of 4K at 30 Hz.
2.0 is capable of a Maximum Resolution of 4K at 30 Hz.
2.4 is capable of a Maximum Resolution: Up to 10K at 120 Hz I don’t know where you got that information, but you should never go back there.
There is no such thing as HDMI 2.4. At least not yet.
What you are calling HDMI 2.4, is actually HDMI 2.1.
And HDMI 2.0 can support up to 4K video at 60 Hz
See:
The HDMI port in the new (base) M4 Mac mini supports HDMI 2.1, but that is irrelevant, since all of the reasonably priced 4K monitors on the market only support HDMI 2.0 (4K video at 60 Hz). Which is more than plenty. So all that you need is an HDMI 2.0 cable. But since an HDMI 2.1 cable is backwards compatible, that will work too.
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Re: Warning: New MacBook Pro M4 Pro & Old Monitor
Very similar to how the abilities of USB or FireWire improved over time.?
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On Apr 9, 2025, at 14:29, Bob Gerard via groups.io <rowerbob@...> wrote:
? One more thing about HDMI connections. ?It was not until ?our 2005 Samsung TV died two years ago and we replaced it did we learn that there are different versions of HDMI cables. ?
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There are versions 1.4, 2.0, and 2.4.
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1.4 is capable of a Maximum Resolution of 4K at 30 Hz. ?
2.0 is capable of a Maximum Resolution of 4K at 30 Hz. ?
2.4 is capable of a Maximum Resolution: Up to 10K at 120 Hz
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Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
I guess I am all wet.?
I don’t use the feature “delete after”. And now that a couple of you have reminded me, it is a setting to delete emails from Trash.?
So I am not aware of another built-in “delete after” feature in Mail. So I think John is SOL.?
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On Apr 9, 2025, at 14:23, Ben Rosenthal via groups.io <ben@...> wrote:
? Brent, are you referring to the Mailbox Behaviors setting that automatically deletes emails in the Junk or Trash mailboxes after a day, week, or month? On Apr 9, 2025, at 13:27, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Unless there is a major change in Mail with Sequoia, the ability to delete emails after XX days was a universal setting that applied to all emails.?
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Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
On Apr 10, 2025, at 9:19?AM, Mary Ann Niesen via groups.io <mag314@...> wrote: There really isn’t currently any fully automated way to delete these that I have found, but it is MUCH easier to manually delete things periodically if all the “deletable” mail is in a single place, because as others have said, you can “select all” then “delete”.
Yup. This is fine. Quick and easy. Just got rid of a couple thousand old emails in the wink of any eye. Should speed up my Mail app a little bit, maybe. All the best, John?
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Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
I’d add one more criteria to this is you don’t want to delete some messages from some boxes, even if they are older: ?when setting up your “smart” mailbox, also use “message is in mailbox” or “message is not in mailbox” as a criteria. ?At that point, you can specify which mailbox to include or exclude, respectively (and, if you have a lot of mailboxes, you can add that criteria multiple times to cover the variety of mailboxes).
There really isn’t currently any fully automated way to delete these that I have found, but it is MUCH easier to manually delete things periodically if all the “deletable” mail is in a single place, because as others have said, you can “select all” then “delete”.
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On Apr 10, 2025, at 09:02, John via groups.io <OceanCity@...> wrote:
On Apr 10, 2025, at 5:58?AM, Jerald Levinson via groups.io <levinson@...> wrote:
Try this: Create a new Smart Mailbox, name it Old (or similar). Create a rule with "Date Received" and "Is before the date" and set the date to, say, Jan 1, 2020. This should pull all your old emails from before 1/1/20 into the Smart folder. Then review the messages in the folder. If it looks like these are all ones you want to delete, just Select All and move to Trash. Then empty the Trash.?
You can start with an older date instead of 2020, say 2010 or whenever. Also be aware there may be old messages from folders you want to keep, since Smart Folders work with all your emails, not just specific folders. You can copy the older keeper emails onto your desktop to save them.
Best of luck, Jerry
Jerry,
Brilliant work-around. I did not think of checking the dates from the 'before' date. Nice.
But this means I still need to intervene manually.? I was looking for a fully automated way to trim the tail end off of some of my large mailboxes where I don't even care about the individual emails. I know I don't need or want them so I don't need to review.?
So, I'll just do basically what you said in step #2 from time to time and select hundreds or thousands of emails that are over xx days old and delete them manually.?
But thank you for your creative approach. I did not think of that.?
All the best, John?
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Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
On Apr 10, 2025, at 5:58?AM, Jerald Levinson via groups.io <levinson@...> wrote:
Try this: Create a new Smart Mailbox, name it Old (or similar). Create a rule with "Date Received" and "Is before the date" and set the date to, say, Jan 1, 2020. This should pull all your old emails from before 1/1/20 into the Smart folder. Then review the messages in the folder. If it looks like these are all ones you want to delete, just Select All and move to Trash. Then empty the Trash.?
You can start with an older date instead of 2020, say 2010 or whenever. Also be aware there may be old messages from folders you want to keep, since Smart Folders work with all your emails, not just specific folders. You can copy the older keeper emails onto your desktop to save them.
Best of luck, Jerry
Jerry,
Brilliant work-around. I did not think of checking the dates from the 'before' date. Nice.
But this means I still need to intervene manually.? I was looking for a fully automated way to trim the tail end off of some of my large mailboxes where I don't even care about the individual emails. I know I don't need or want them so I don't need to review.?
So, I'll just do basically what you said in step #2 from time to time and select hundreds or thousands of emails that are over xx days old and delete them manually.?
But thank you for your creative approach. I did not think of that.?
All the best, John?
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Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
Try this: Create a new Smart Mailbox, name it Old (or similar). Create a rule with "Date Received" and "Is before the date" and set the date to, say, Jan 1, 2020. This should pull all your old emails from before 1/1/20 into the Smart folder. Then review the messages in the folder. If it looks like these are all ones you want to delete, just Select All and move to Trash. Then empty the Trash.
You can start with an older date instead of 2020, say 2010 or whenever. Also be aware there may be old messages from folders you want to keep, since Smart Folders work with all your emails, not just specific folders. You can copy the older keeper emails onto your desktop to save them.
Best of luck, Jerry
Running most recent versions of Sequoia, Apple Mail, and Spamsieve, on a Mac Studio M2 MAX.
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Looking for a way to automate a rule or smart mailbox to automatically delete some of my bloated histories of emails after xx number of days going back years that are only taking up space.
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After poking around I can't find any way to automate this.?
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Any ideas?
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All the best,
John?
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On Apr 9, 2025, at 2:33 PM, Bob Gerard via groups.io <rowerbob@...> wrote:
there are different versions of HDMI cables.
There are versions 1.4, 2.0, and 2.4.
1.4 is capable of a Maximum Resolution of 4K at 30 Hz.
2.0 is capable of a Maximum Resolution of 4K at 30 Hz.
2.4 is capable of a Maximum Resolution: Up to 10K at 120 Hz I don’t know where you got that information, but you should never go back there. There is no such thing as HDMI 2.4. At least not yet. What you are calling HDMI 2.4, is actually HDMI 2.1. And HDMI 2.0 can support up to 4K video at 60 Hz See: The HDMI port in the new (base) M4 Mac mini supports HDMI 2.1, but that is irrelevant, since all of the reasonably priced 4K monitors on the market only support HDMI 2.0 (4K video at 60 Hz). Which is more than plenty. So all that you need is an HDMI 2.0 cable. But since an HDMI 2.1 cable is backwards compatible, that will work too. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Re: Warning: New MacBook Pro M4 Pro & Old Monitor
One more thing about HDMI connections. ?It was not until ?our 2005 Samsung TV died two years ago and we replaced it did we learn that there are different versions of HDMI cables. ?
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There are versions 1.4, 2.0, and 2.4.
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1.4 is capable of a Maximum Resolution of 4K at 30 Hz. ?
2.0 is capable of a Maximum Resolution of 4K at 30 Hz. ?
2.4 is capable of a Maximum Resolution: Up to 10K at 120 Hz
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Randy alluded to this in an earlier email.
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Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
Brent, are you referring to the Mailbox Behaviors setting that automatically deletes emails in the Junk or Trash mailboxes after a day, week, or month?
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On Apr 9, 2025, at 13:27, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Unless there is a major change in Mail with Sequoia, the ability to delete emails after XX days was a universal setting that applied to all emails.?
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I hope that is not true, if it is then any email in any folder would be deleted after xx days whether or not I wanted to keep it. I hope you are referring to the Trash folder alone.
As far as I can see, though, you can only set a “delete after” date for iCloud accounts. And only for emails in the “Deleted” folder. Or maybe this is ISP-related?
Jerry
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On Apr 9, 2025, at 10:27?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Unless there is a major change in Mail with Sequoia, the ability to delete emails after XX days was a universal setting that applied to all emails.
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Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
Unless there is a major change in Mail with Sequoia, the ability to delete emails after XX days was a universal setting that applied to all emails.?
The way I read Jerald’s post is instead of creating a setting, create a new set of mailboxes.?
Let’s say you have 3 mailboxes, Jack, Jill and Spot. You want to keep Jack’s emails 6 months, Jill’s 12 months, and Spot’s only 3. So every six months you create a new mailbox for Jack, call it Jack1, move over the last 6 months then delete the mailbox Jack. Same with Jill and Spot at the appropriate times. Of course, it would be easier to alter the mailbox name first, then create an new mailbox with the old name. Then you would not have to change any rules you currently have. You would probably have to automate this process to make it efficient.?
I would think that archiving your mail regularly would be much simpler. Then make a suggestion to Apple to add the feature, and see if there are enough positive responses for them to create the feature.?
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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On Apr 9, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Jerald Levinson via < levinson@...> wrote:
Are these email in various mailboxes? For instance, you may have one mailbox with Santa Claus emails going back 20 years. Of those, you want to keep the last 6 months worth. Create a new mailbox, move the emails you want to keep to that mailbox, then just delete the old mailbox. Repeat for other folders. This would be easier, depending on the number of emails, than just selecting all and moving them to the Trash.
The problem I see with a rule, is that it may delete emails from the wrong folders, stuff you want to keep. If you create a Smart Mailbox and set the condition for "emails over 30 days old" it would suck them out of all your folders, again including stuff you want to keep.
My two cents, Jerry
I would treat different mailboxes with different smart mailbox rules depending on how much I want to save. Never have used a 'smart' mailbox, so forgive my ignorance as well as my grammar.?
BUT, I don't see the option in a new Smart mailbox to "Delete emails after xx days."
I'll keep looking.
TIA, John?
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If you create a smart mailbox that contains the emails you want to delete, you can visit it periodically, select all, and delete. A “smart” thing on your Mac is simply a saved search based on criteria. They’re used to easily find things so you don’t have to manually repeat a complex search.
Or, I found??that might give you some inspiration.
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On Apr 9, 2025, at 12:09, John via groups.io <OceanCity@...> wrote:
On Apr 9, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Jerald Levinson via groups.io <levinson@...> wrote:
Are these email in various mailboxes? For instance, you may have one mailbox with Santa Claus emails going back 20 years. Of those, you want to keep the last 6 months worth. Create a new mailbox, move the emails you want to keep to that mailbox, then just delete the old mailbox. Repeat for other folders. This would be easier, depending on the number of emails, than just selecting all and moving them to the Trash.
The problem I see with a rule, is that it may delete emails from the wrong folders, stuff you want to keep. If you create a Smart Mailbox and set the condition for "emails over 30 days old" it would suck them out of all your folders, again including stuff you want to keep.
My two cents, Jerry
I would treat different mailboxes with different smart mailbox rules depending on how much I want to save. Never have used a 'smart' mailbox, so forgive my ignorance as well as my grammar.?
BUT, I don't see the option in a new Smart mailbox to "Delete emails after xx days."
I'll keep looking.
TIA, John?
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Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
On Apr 9, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Jerald Levinson via groups.io <levinson@...> wrote:
Are these email in various mailboxes? For instance, you may have one mailbox with Santa Claus emails going back 20 years. Of those, you want to keep the last 6 months worth. Create a new mailbox, move the emails you want to keep to that mailbox, then just delete the old mailbox. Repeat for other folders. This would be easier, depending on the number of emails, than just selecting all and moving them to the Trash.
The problem I see with a rule, is that it may delete emails from the wrong folders, stuff you want to keep. If you create a Smart Mailbox and set the condition for "emails over 30 days old" it would suck them out of all your folders, again including stuff you want to keep.
My two cents, Jerry
I would treat different mailboxes with different smart mailbox rules depending on how much I want to save. Never have used a 'smart' mailbox, so forgive my ignorance as well as my grammar.?
BUT, I don't see the option in a new Smart mailbox to "Delete emails after xx days."
I'll keep looking.
TIA, John?
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Re: How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
Are these email in various mailboxes? For instance, you may have one mailbox with Santa Claus emails going back 20 years. Of those, you want to keep the last 6 months worth. Create a new mailbox, move the emails you want to keep to that mailbox, then just delete the old mailbox. Repeat for other folders. This would be easier, depending on the number of emails, than just selecting all and moving them to the Trash.
The problem I see with a rule, is that it may delete emails from the wrong folders, stuff you want to keep. If you create a Smart Mailbox and set the condition for "emails over 30 days old" it would suck them out of all your folders, again including stuff you want to keep.
My two cents, Jerry
Running most recent versions of Sequoia, Apple Mail, and Spamsieve, on a Mac Studio M2 MAX.
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Looking for a way to automate a rule or smart mailbox to automatically delete some of my bloated histories of emails after xx number of days going back years that are only taking up space.
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After poking around I can't find any way to automate this.?
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Any ideas?
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All the best,
John?
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How to Auto-Delete old emails after xx days?
Running most recent versions of Sequoia, Apple Mail, and Spamsieve, on a Mac Studio M2 MAX.
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Looking for a way to automate a rule or smart mailbox to automatically delete some of my bloated histories of emails after xx number of days going back years that are only taking up space.
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After poking around I can't find any way to automate this.?
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Any ideas?
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All the best,
John?
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Re: Warning: New MacBook Pro M4 Pro & Old Monitor
Yes, Randy, the OP was talking about devices that would have some version of HDMI v2, and I was talking devices that had versions of HDMI v1.
I couldn’t fine the HDMI version for my late 2012 Mac mini, but your bit of info suggests it was probably v1.4.
My 2008 or 2009 Vizio is not a Smart TV, but just a Digital TV, with HDMI v1.
I talked to senior tech support at both Apple and Vizio. A senior tech from Vizio, had me check for the needed settings to correct the issue I was seeing. Those settings were greyed out, and there was not upgrade to get them. Since my monitor was so old, there was no chance to see an upgrade in firmware to correct it.
The senior tech finally disclosed that cause was that Apple and the monitor industry disagreed on the interpretation of the HDMI v1 standard at that time.
A users suggested a third party app to tweak the settings on the Mac, but I was lost in the weeds. It was past my knowledge level, or just didn’t work.
The point of my prior post was that, as I had started, HDMI to HDMI will normally give an image that is acceptable to most, unless one if the devices uses v1.
If the person is the visual equivalent of an audiophile, then they probably have the budget to upgrade the hardware.
Oh, btw, the late 2012 Mac mini has two video output ports, one HDMI and one Thunderbolt. The Thunderbolt appears the default main monitor, if both are used.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Apr 8, 2025, at 21:29, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
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On Apr 8, 2025, at 11:10 AM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
The Vizio uses HDMI v 1
HDMI 2.0 wasn’t introduced until 2013. It supports 4K resolution.
HDMI 1.x, at it’s best, never supported 4K resolution.
HDMI 1.4, the highest iteration of HDMI 1.x, wasn’t introduced until 2009. So your Vizio might not even support HDMI 1.4. It might not even support 2K.
My earlier point to Bob was that if you have a recent Mac, and a recent monitor, things are fairly simple. They get a lot more complex if you have an old monitor and/or an old Mac. In fact, since DisplayPort was more advanced than HDMI for a bunch of years, if you have an old computer and/or an old monitor, you may not want to connect them via HDMI. Another input, if available, might give better performance.
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On Apr 8, 2025, at 11:10 AM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
The Vizio uses HDMI v 1 HDMI 2.0 wasn’t introduced until 2013. It supports 4K resolution. HDMI 1.x, at it’s best, never supported 4K resolution. HDMI 1.4, the highest iteration of HDMI 1.x, wasn’t introduced until 2009. So your Vizio might not even support HDMI 1.4. It might not even support 2K. My earlier point to Bob was that if you have a recent Mac, and a recent monitor, things are fairly simple. They get a lot more complex if you have an old monitor and/or an old Mac. In fact, since DisplayPort was more advanced than HDMI for a bunch of years, if you have an old computer and/or an old monitor, you may not want to connect them via HDMI. Another input, if available, might give better performance. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Re: Warning: New MacBook Pro M4 Pro & Old Monitor
Generally all versions of HDMI play well with one another, ?but ?if you were working with older equipment, there is one notable issue.?
I stumbled across it using a late 2012 Mac mini and a Vizio TV/ monitor from about 2009. The Vizio uses HDMI ?v 1, and I am not sure if the mini uses v 1or 2. The issue is that it cuts off a bit of all 4 edges of the desktop. The whole Menu Bar and some of the Dock are not visible.?
I suspected that a monitor with HDMI v 2 would solve it.?
This is a known issue, by a very few, and very infrequently run into. I was later given a 44” Roku TV. When I connected it to my mini to watch a movie, the full Desktop was shown. The Roku uses a more current version of HDMI.
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On Apr 8, 2025, at 08:02, Bob Gerard via groups.io <rowerbob@...> wrote:
? Thanks so very much for responding, Peter. ?So pleased to learn that the hookup of the new monitor was seamless and that you are pleased with it. ?And $250 beats the pants off the price for the Apple-branded 27" monitor. ?
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Randy was right about the HDMI to HDMI port connection. ?When I went looking online for info on this subject, I ran across site after site that over complicated things, like this one:
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