Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
Otto, you are a citizen of the UK, correct. How do the copyright laws differ from those of the US?
What about truth in advertising, liable or several different legal issues??
The issue I am concerned with is loss of income to the rights holder. By giving that CD to another, but keeping the ripped copy, deprived the rights holder of a sale, no matter of what else happens. Is it practical for one missed sale to take legal action? Heck no.?
I hold a copyright of a particular photo. Prior to the sale, the buyer certified in writing that it would only be used for private purposes and not commercial. The buyer was a lawyer. He used it and sold copies. The problem was to prove the sales. The fine if he used it commercially is between $35k & $50k. Unfortunately, he is now dead, and suing his estate is not worth the cost. So, I am out that money, plus the higher price of buying the photo for commercial purposes.?
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On Jun 13, 2023, at 02:12, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
? There's another side to this. Let's say I have a CD album that I like a lot. I rip the CD and give the CD or files to a friend. They are also impressed and buy more CDs by that artist, which they otherwise would not have done. The same applied in the days of LPs and cassettes.?
OK, there's a few "what ifs" there, but I don't think copying is all bad.
Otto Exactly, but that is one if the items that people ignore of the social contract.?
A copyright is intended to incentivize to invent and help a creator profit from their creations. It doesn’t always work that way.?
I think “but everyone is doing it” is a good excuse.?
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On Jun 13, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Bob Gerard <rowerbob@...> wrote:
Go to Notes.app, select a note, click on the share icon and she is offered the choice of Messages amd AirDrop…but not Mail!! Have her try this: Go to a note. Highlight (select) the part of the note that she wants to share. Right-click or Control-click. Choose Share. Choose Mail. Make sure that the note you are trying to share isn’t locked. Have a look at: __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Looks like you have to be using iCloud notes to share: ?
I’m thinking that may also mean you have to have an iCloud ?email account set up and synced to iCloud. ?Apple does not specifically say that, but seems it might be worth looking at the mail and iCloud settings. In my Extensions settings, Mail is shown but I can’t select or unselect it, it is just present. ?I do have iCloud mail set up.
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On Jun 13, 2023, at 12:52, Bob Gerard <rowerbob@...> wrote:
My computer: ?2020 iMac, SSD, macOS 13.4:
Go to Notes.app, select a note, click on the share icon and I am offered the choice of Mail, Messages, AirDrop.
Another senior: ?recent model iMac running macOS 13.4: Go to Notes.app, select a note, click on the share icon and she is offered the choice of Messages amd AirDrop…but not Mail!!
Anyone know why this might be?
And before anyone asks, she does indeed use Apple’s Mail.app on her computer.
Also, when we went to the share icon and chose [Edit Extensions] Apple Mail was not among the choices offered.
Bob
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“ A man sees in the?world what he?carries in his heart.”
— Goethe,?Faust
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Re: Sharing via Notes.app
On Jun 13, 2023, at 7:03 PM, Otto Nikolaus via < otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Assuming a restart made no difference, I can only suggest the old bodge of deleting the app's preferences (plist).
Thanks, Otto. ?I will have her try them.
Bob
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Don’t forget: ?“Good?health is merely the?slowest possible rate?at which one can die."
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 at 22:59, Bob Gerard < rowerbob@...> wrote:
Nope; there is not.? Darndest thing…just do not understand why she can’t email a note from within the Notes.app.
Assuming a restart made no difference, I can only suggest the old bodge of deleting the app's preferences (plist).
Otto
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On Jun 13, 2023, at 13:55, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Is there a More... option in that dropdown?
Nope; there is not. ?Darndest thing…just do not understand why she can’t email a note from within the Notes.app.
Bob ——— "The noblest of all dogs is the?hot-dog; it feeds the hand that?bites it."?
~ Lawrence J. Peter.
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Re: Sharing via Notes.app
Is there a More... option in that dropdown?
Otto
On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 at 17:53, Bob Gerard < rowerbob@...> wrote: My computer: ?2020 iMac, SSD, macOS 13.4:
Go to Notes.app, select a note, click on the share icon and I am offered the choice of Mail, Messages, AirDrop.
Another senior: ?recent model iMac running macOS 13.4: Go to Notes.app, select a note, click on the share icon and she is offered the choice of Messages amd AirDrop…but not Mail!!
Anyone know why this might be?
And before anyone asks, she does indeed use Apple’s Mail.app on her computer.
Also, when we went to the share icon and chose [Edit Extensions] Apple Mail was not among the choices offered.
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Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
From the U.S. Copyright Office FAQ <>:
When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1,?Copyright Basics, section “.” Why should I register my work if copyright protection is automatic?
Registration is recommended for a number of reasons. Many choose to register their works because they wish to have the facts of their copyright on the public record and have a certificate of registration. Registered works may be eligible for statutory damages and attorney's fees in successful litigation. Finally, if registration occurs within five years of publication, it is considered?prima facie?evidence in a court of law. See Circular 1,?Copyright Basics, section “” and?,?Highlights of Copyright Amendments Contained in the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA), on non-U.S. works.
-- "Crumpled bits of paper filled with imperfect thoughts"
(Rutherford/Robertson)
On Jun 12, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Going even further astray, as just a point of mostly unknown law, my understanding is that literally?anything?that one creates is?automatically?copyrighted?in the eyes of the law,?with no formal process?of any kind.
Sorry, that is an urban myth, and wrong.?
My dad was a professional photographer for 52 years, so copyright law, has been of mild interest for much of my life.?
Brent?
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Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
I’m, perhaps unfortunately in this conversation, in NYC. It of course depends on the genre, but the median concert ticket here is $80 for R&B, $100 for Pop, and $120 for Classic Rock. (cf. ). A CD would typically be $10–$13.
--? You're giving me more facts? I don't want any more facts! I just want?to be left with what I believe! - G. Jeanniton
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On Jun 13, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
CDs are around ?11, and they've been that for ages. An order of magnitude would be ?110, and that's twice what I've ever paid. The next one I'm going to is ?33.
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My computer: ?2020 iMac, SSD, macOS 13.4:
Go to Notes.app, select a note, click on the share icon and I am offered the choice of Mail, Messages, AirDrop.
Another senior: ?recent model iMac running macOS 13.4: Go to Notes.app, select a note, click on the share icon and she is offered the choice of Messages amd AirDrop…but not Mail!!
Anyone know why this might be?
And before anyone asks, she does indeed use Apple’s Mail.app on her computer.
Also, when we went to the share icon and chose [Edit Extensions] Apple Mail was not among the choices offered.
Bob
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“ A man sees in the?world what he?carries in his heart.”
— Goethe,?Faust
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Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
CDs are around ?11, and they've been that for ages. An order of magnitude would be ?110, and that's twice what I've ever paid. The next one I'm going to is ?33.
Otto
On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 at 14:00, maclists < maclists@...> wrote: Concert tickets have always been expensive. The minimum I have ever paid was thirty pounds Sterling and even up to sixty. Even at today's prices, CDs don't cost that much.
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Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
Concert tickets have always been expensive. The minimum I have ever paid was thirty pounds Sterling and even up to sixty. Even at today's prices, CDs don't cost that much.
AG
Tuesday, June 13, 2023, 1:13:15 PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io otto.nikolaus@... wrote:
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Yes, but orders of magnitude? That's an expensive gig!
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Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
Yes, but orders of magnitude? That's an expensive gig!
BTW the only shop we have that sells CDs is HMV, and the selection is not, and can not be, comprehensive, so I buy CDs online. This is often at Amazon, but elsewhere if cheaper, and l also if the price is close enough (I don't like monopolies so support others when I can).?
Otto
On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 at 10:48, maclists < maclists@...> wrote: There is yet another side. People would quite happily buy the music, but cannot find any shop that actually sells it. Then they wonder why people download. Then of course they like what they download and buy tickets for live concerts which are orders of magnitude more expensive than what the CD would have cost.
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Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
There is yet another side. People would quite happily buy the music, but cannot find any shop that actually sells it. Then they wonder why people download. Then of course they like what they download and buy tickets for live concerts which are orders of magnitude more expensive than what the CD would have cost.
AG
Tuesday, June 13, 2023, 11:12:34 AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io otto.nikolaus@... wrote:
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There's another side to this. Let's say I have a CD album that I like a
lot. I rip the CD and give the CD or files to a friend. They are also
impressed and buy more CDs by that artist, which they otherwise would not
have done. The same applied in the days of LPs and cassettes.
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Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
There's another side to this. Let's say I have a CD album that I like a lot. I rip the CD and give the CD or files to a friend. They are also impressed and buy more CDs by that artist, which they otherwise would not have done. The same applied in the days of LPs and cassettes.?
OK, there's a few "what ifs" there, but I don't think copying is all bad.
Otto
Exactly, but that is one if the items that people ignore of the social contract.?
A copyright is intended to incentivize to invent and help a creator profit from their creations. It doesn’t always work that way.?
I think “but everyone is doing it” is a good excuse.?
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Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
On Jun 12, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote: Sorry, that is an urban myth, and wrong.? My dad was a professional photographer for 52 years, so copyright law, has been of mild interest for much of my life.? Brent?
I stand corrected, thank you Brent.? Good to know.
NOW CAN THE THREAD END?
Cheers, John?
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On Jun 12, 2023, at 16:07, John Hay via groups.io <OceanCity@...> wrote:
Going even further astray, as just a point of mostly unknown law, my understanding is that literally anything that one creates is automatically copyrighted in the eyes of the law, with no formal process of any kind.
Sorry, that is an urban myth, and wrong.?
My dad was a professional photographer for 52 years, so copyright law, has been of mild interest for much of my life.?
Brent?
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Re: Convert 600 music CD UPC codes to Album Names?
On Jun 12, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote: Threads have a life of their own.?
Brent Going even further astray, as just a point of mostly unknown law, my understanding is that literally anything that one creates is automatically copyrighted in the eyes of the law, with no formal process of any kind.
The inevitable problem can become defending your copyright if it is infringed upon and proving that you were the first to create the item.?
One may, of course, formally register trademarks, service-marks, copyrights, etc., with the appropriate governmental agencies as a preemptive strategic formal way to document and memorialize the item.
In the end however, one may be faced with the same infringements, however, at least a formal registration can go a long way in a court of law as evidence.
Remember the ?Led Zeppelin 'Stairway to Heaven' case? Case in point.
I forget now all the details.
BEHOLD . . .? END OF THREAD.
Cheers, John?
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Threads have a life of their own.?
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On Jun 11, 2023, at 14:08, John Hay via groups.io <OceanCity@...> wrote:
? All interesting points, but please feel no obligation to continue this thread? on my behalf.Again, thank you everyone for your support. Cheers, John
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Exactly, but that is one if the items that people ignore of the social contract.?
A copyright is intended to incentivize to invent and help a creator profit from their creations. It doesn’t always work that way.?
I think “but everyone is doing it” is a good excuse.?
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On Jun 11, 2023, at 13:36, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
? I believe that's correct, but how would it be enforced?
Otto? I am not a lawyer, but if you rip a CD or DVD, you need to keep the disc to help validate you having a digital copy. If you give away or sell the disc, your ripped copy becomes an illegal copy, and possible copyright infringement.
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Brent
Bob Gerard