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Price check for the IC-7000
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vvv333445
Well, looking at Universal-radio.com here are the current prices for the mobile rigs:
IC-706mk2g with HSC unit and one CW + one SSB filter: $1,245 FT857ND with HSC unit and one CW + one SSB filter: $1,140 TS-480 with HSC unit and one CW + one SSB filter: $1,360 -------------------------------------------- Now, the IC-7000 will not need extra filters and the HSC unit is built-in. If we take the highest price (Kenwood at $1,360), the IC-7000 being a new radio AND a DSP radio (all existing radios are analog), you can see or imagine where the msrp and street prices will be. -Best |
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Ya`akov N. Miles
--- In ic7000@..., "vvv333445" <mab2000@v...> wrote:
[snip] Well, looking at Universal-radio.com here are the current prices forthe mobile rigs: Here in Canada you can buy a barenaked IC-706mkiiG for CDN$1199 plus taxes. The filters come to approximately CDN$150 each. I have no idea what the "HSC unit" is. If you mean the TCXO high stability crystal unit part CR-282 it costs me CDN$200-CDN$300 including the recommended professional Icom installation on my IC-706mkiiG. 73's |
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MKM
Yes, I mean TCXO, sorry about the confusion.
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On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:13 PM, Ya`akov N. Miles wrote:
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Paul Manuel
--- vvv333445 <mab2000@...> wrote:
Well, looking at Universal-radio.com here are the current prices for thefilter:$1,245 FT857ND with HSC unit and one CW + one SSB filter:$1,140I respectfully submit that you are looking at the wrong store. Although I have bought many items from Universal because they are nice folks and are the nearest ham store to my location, they are never the cheapest. I don't think you can directly compare the cost of a radio with hardware filtering to a rig that uses DSP. The hardware filters are more expensive--one set of DSP chips and it has it all, and probably no alignment necessary on the filtering circuit. I am not making a prediction of what the 7000 WILL cost--Maybe ICOM will shoot itself in the foot and charge $1800 for it. But I think the radio SHOULD cost about $1000, and will soon after it is introduced, if not initially. 73, Paul K4PDM __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. |
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MKM
Universal Radio has a great web site and they have a great setup to see
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the related options for a given item..that is why I gave their example. it was easy on me. Of course they are not the cheapest and we all know that. All is relative, take whatever discount you wish and apply it to the listed price and you will get the other store prices. For the statement if you can directly compare a DSP radio to an analog one: well that is what we have as a competition now, don't we? Don't worry, people will directly compare it to those existing radios regardless of engineering merits of the old analog ones. BTW, I realize that people are not comfortable about pricing since different folks with different means. Some wish for a below $1K price (unrealistic), some expect a premium for this radio (listen to the 3840 group and they agree for a 1600-1700 price) as well. I think I heard w6obb confirming that it will be high dollar radio through his connections at HRO. He is a well connected man:) -best On Feb 27, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Paul Manuel wrote:
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Hi Paul,
Considering that all the Japanese manufacturers are now outsourcing PCB fab, die-cast chassis injection moulding and other subassembly manufacture to lower-labour-cost areas in Asia, Icom should be able to hold the price down to the $1K level. Your comments about DSP vs. analogue/crystal-filter architecture are absolutely correct. Economics, as well as performance and capability, are driving the shift to 100% DSP implementations. "In technology, there are only two degrees of freedom: forward and down. There is no backwards." Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ Scanned by WinProxy |
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Ya`akov N. Miles
--- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:
Hi Paul,[snip] Your comments about DSP vs. analogue/crystal-filter architecture areYeah, tell me about it. Here I pay on the average of $150 for each crystal filter that goes into my Icom IC-706mkiiG. I would like to install more, but the IC-706mkiiG will accept a maximum of two filters. Then I am into the uncharted waters of replacing FL-272 filter 2.4 kHz with FL-223 filter 1.9 kHz, as I want the narrow SSB filter more than I want the nice-sounding SSB filter which is soldered in as default :( If the IC-7000 does check in at around USD$1000 with no filters to buy, then it would be a Good Thing (IMHO) I hope that Icom does not compromise on CW performance, even though that mode has been deprecated recently. I do all my HF operating in Morse Code. |
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MKM
I think it will have a good CW performance. Icom DSP filters are very
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good indeed. They will use the same code and algorithms from the 7800/pro3. In fact this is what dsp is all about, consistency across the board with good software QC. Once you have a piece of code working right, you just implement it on the other radios just like object oriented programming. OT: I have been thinking about the digital audio in/out of the 7800....maybe, just maybe the 7000 will have it as well. That will be sweet for PSK/RTTY operation. I doubt it though because of cost. Speculating, of course. -best On Feb 27, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Ya`akov N. Miles wrote:
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Marty
...and maybe video out for base use. Now that would be nice!
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Marty -----Original Message-----
From: MKM .... OT: I have been thinking about the digital audio in/out of the 7800....maybe, just maybe the 7000 will have it as well. That will be sweet for PSK/RTTY operation. I doubt it though because of cost. Speculating, of course. -best |
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Dr. Howard S. White
How about a built in DVD Player so it can double as a babysitter
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From: Marty To: ic7000@... Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [ic7000] Re: Price check for the IC-7000 ...and maybe video out for base use. Now that would be nice! Marty -----Original Message----- From: MKM .... OT: I have been thinking about the digital audio in/out of the 7800....maybe, just maybe the 7000 will have it as well. That will be sweet for PSK/RTTY operation. I doubt it though because of cost. Speculating, of course. -best Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ic7000-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Ladies and gentlemen,
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Please...let's keep it "reasonably" serious. Best 73, Adam, VA7OJ/AB4OJ Owner, Yahoo! ic7000 Group -----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Howard S. White [mailto:drpaper@...] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 13:14 To: ic7000@... Subject: Re: [ic7000] Re: Price check for the IC-7000 How about a built in DVD Player so it can double as a babysitter ----- Original Message ----- From: Marty To: ic7000@... Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [ic7000] Re: Price check for the IC-7000 ...and maybe video out for base use. Now that would be nice! Marty -----Original Message----- From: MKM .... OT: I have been thinking about the digital audio in/out of the 7800....maybe, just maybe the 7000 will have it as well. That will be sweet for PSK/RTTY operation. I doubt it though because of cost. Speculating, of course. -best Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ic7000-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links Scanned by WinProxy |
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Oba
Adam-san and all,
On February 25, Kenwood and Icom agreed to cross-hold shares and join forces in the development of next generation digital communication products. 73 de JA7UDE Oba --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Paul,outsourcing PCB fab, die-cast chassis injection moulding and other subassemblymanufacture to lower-labour-cost areas in Asia, Icom should be able to hold theprice down to the $1K level.are absolutely correct. Economics, as well as performance andcapability, are driving the shift to 100% DSP implementations.down. There is no backwards." |
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MKM
BIG NEWS!
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I am impressed! Thank you, Oba! On Feb 27, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Oba wrote:
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jdow
Oh my! Fascinating.
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{^_^} ----- Original Message -----
From: "Oba" <ja7ude@...> Adam-san and all, |
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Dr. Howard S. White
Who is taking over whom?
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Which one will survive? __________________________________________________________ Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" Formerly "Awfully Extremely Six Sado Masochist" "Krazy Yankee Six Loves America" ----- Original Message -----
From: jdow To: ic7000@... Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [ic7000] Re: Price check for the IC-7000 Oh my! Fascinating. {^_^} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oba" <ja7ude@...> > Adam-san and all, > > On February 25, Kenwood and Icom agreed to cross-hold shares and > join forces in the development of next generation digital > communication products. > > 73 de JA7UDE Oba > > > > --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > > > Considering that all the Japanese manufacturers are now > outsourcing PCB fab, > > die-cast chassis injection moulding and other subassembly > manufacture to > > lower-labour-cost areas in Asia, Icom should be able to hold the > price down > > to the $1K level. > > > > Your comments about DSP vs. analogue/crystal-filter architecture > are > > absolutely correct. Economics, as well as performance and > capability, are > > driving the shift to 100% DSP implementations. > > > > "In technology, there are only two degrees of freedom: forward and > down. > > There is no backwards." > > > > Cheers for now, 73, > > Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ic7000-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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ICOM radios are made and assembled in Japan, I have been to the
factory myself. --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Paul,outsourcing PCB fab, die-cast chassis injection moulding and other subassemblymanufacture to lower-labour-cost areas in Asia, Icom should be able to hold theprice down to the $1K level.are absolutely correct. Economics, as well as performance andcapability, are driving the shift to 100% DSP implementations.down. There is no backwards." |
Adam Farson
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