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How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me?
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jdow
You'll hear it if you are here. In all honesty I know I'd forget by the
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time it's actually delivered. {^_-} W6MKU ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Keller - K3BZ" <k3bz@...> know 8^)
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Jerry Keller - K3BZ
When the first IC-7000 (or 700 or whatever) is actually delivered, let me know 8^)
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73, Jerry K3BZ ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Howard S. White" <drpaper@...> To: <ic7000@...> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me?
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<< This group is all Gentlemen here >>
There is also at least one Lady who posts regularly. I saw no problem in Howard's posting - but as I remarked earlier, I see no harm in a healthy dose of speculation either. The whole IC-7000 concept is still a matter of conjecture to some degree, until a product announcement appears on an Icom website. Best 73, Adam, VA7OJ/AB4OJ Owner, Yahoo! ic7000 Group Scanned by WinProxy |
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Dr. Howard S. White
Thanks for the support Joanne and Jerry....
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My house made the national news tonite... at least the outlets of my new drain pipes where I am pumping torrents of water from the mountain did.. and so did the huge 100'+ cranes holding up the houses below me....Since the cranes are already here, I wonder if I could talk them into letting me borrow the cranes for a few minutes and turn them 180 degrees to install my MonstIR...Now that the torrential rains seem to be subsiding, I am sure those houses won't move that much further down the mountain while we install antennas..... My XYL says I have a one track mind.. while the whole mountain around us seems to be sliding down into the sea, all I can think about is how to get the MonstIR on top of my 85' tower...and the one positive note is now that those two houses are further down the mountain my propagation to the SouthWest is much less obstructed.... As I said previously I put an IC-7000? on order at HRO today just for the fun of it... and partially to stoke the 'guy thing' envy of those who consider themselve to be "gentlemen".. Don't know what it is going to cost, don't know what it is, but it should be fun to have the first one.. what ever it is.... While some of the technical speculation on this reflector makes sense and may even be read by Icom, a lot of the speculation on the price point is inane to say the least... I guess the part I find the most difficult is the continual questions about the unit when all the information that anyone has is the brief 1 page description in the French Magazine.. that's all the information there is right now.. PERIOD So why bother asking questions about the unit.. when nobody knows anymore than you do? Reminds me a lot about Wall Street, where everyone asks everyone else about the latest rumor... when in fact no one you ask knows anything...and those who actually might know something are never going to tell you... __________________________________________________________ Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" Formerly "Awfully Extremely Six Sado Masochist" "Krazy Yankee Six Loves America" ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Keller - K3BZ" <k3bz@...> To: <ic7000@...> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? beam...way up on top of a hill...while homes all around are sliding down with mudflows... in themiddle of non-stop record-breaking torrential rainstorms...can't be ALL bad 8^) |
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Jerry Keller - K3BZ
Any ham that would build a tower... for a HUGE new SteppIR MONSTIR yagi beam...way up on top of a hill...while homes all around are sliding down with mudflows... in the middle of non-stop record-breaking torrential rainstorms...can't be ALL bad 8^)
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GO - HOWARD!! I'm kinda enjoying all this hoopla about the (so far) phantom IC-7000!! with all the very best, 73.... Jerry K3BZ ----- Original Message -----
From: "jdow" <jdow@...> To: <ic7000@...> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me?
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jdow
I know Howard from nattering with him in email on the side. "I'd be
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willing to introduce him to my mother," so to speak. He seems like a gentleman. The "feeding frenzy" seems to strike him differently than me. I find it mostly amusing. I must say ICOM has built up some very nice customer loyalty. For all that I may cavil about the faults in my ProII I am quite pleased with it. (I just wish it was incrementally better in a few places that should not have cost anything to implement. One gripe probably cost the money of writing some dozen EXTRA lines of code in the DSP ROM. {^_-} The RF engineer in me is very fussy about this sort of thing.) {^_^} Anyway, W6MKU is not offended. And I hope others are not. I do suspect that getting a life is a good idea, though. Holding your breath until this 7000 puppy is available could be fatal. {^_-} ----- Original Message -----
From: "MKM" <mab2000@...> To: <ic7000@...> Sent: 2005 February, 26, Saturday 18:48 Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? This group is all Gentlemen here. Your remarks are out of line. You should be banned. Moderator, please take notice and warn this guy or erase him from here. On Feb 26, 2005, at 4:39 AM, Dr. Howard S. White wrote: Joanne: Yahoo! Groups Links |
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MKM
This group is all Gentlemen here.
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Your remarks are out of line. You should be banned. Moderator, please take notice and warn this guy or erase him from here. On Feb 26, 2005, at 4:39 AM, Dr. Howard S. White wrote:
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Dr. Howard S. White
Don't get me wrong.. I already put one on order this AM .... I love to have the first new toys...
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I have no idea what I ordered so it will be a surprise when it comes... Everyone also seems to have forgotten that the US$ is very weak at this time so that prices will much higher than you expect... __________________________________________________________ Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" Formerly "Awfully Extremely Six Sado Masochist" "Krazy Yankee Six Loves America" ----- Original Message -----
From: p49k To: ic7000@... Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: [ic7000] Re: How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: > Hi Howard, > I go aloing with Adam, I'm sure ICOM reads the messages too and the feed back might be helpful to them. I find it interesting how Hams repsond to new toys. P49K > As the whole IC-7000 concept is speculative at this stage, I see no harm in > a healthy dose of speculation. This can often lead to interesting technical > discussion, expressions of wishes/hopes for features and capabilities, etc. > > Speculation is encouraged - with the usual caveat that civil and polite > discourse is expected. (The alternative to same will simply not be > tolerated.) > > Best 73, > Adam, VA7OJ/AB4OJ > Owner, Yahoo! ic7000 Group > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr. Ho ward S. White [mailto:drpaper@m...] > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 01:39 > To: ic7000@... > Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? > > > > Joanne: > > All these people must be smoking something.. the product does not exist > yet...except for a brief mention in a French magazine...of some alleged > specs...and yet people are already pricing it, complaining the price will be > too high or too low, speculating on the filter configurations, etc. etc. > etc.. > > Get a Life Folks.. IT DOES NOT EXIST YET..Stop speculating... you are only > wasting bandwidth... > > Wait until it is offically announced in Japan (likely)... or Dayton (less > likely) > > I am still betting it wll have a number other that IC-7000 > > FYI - Like I did for the Pro3 and the SteppIR MonstIR, I am going to HRO > tomorrow and put in an order for one > > .. just so I can say I got the first one....(it's a guy thing again) .... > whatever it turns out to be! > > __________________________________________________________ > Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA > "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" > Formerly "Awfully Extremely Six Sado Masochist" > "Krazy Yankee Six Loves America" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jdow > To: ic7000@... > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? > > > From: "Ya`akov N. Miles" <ve7alq@a...> > > > > How much is the Icom IC-7000 going to cost me? I presume it will not > > be the same price or lower than what I am paying for my new > > IC-706mkiiG. > > Infinite dollars today. > > > Does anyone know more about the filter options. Your English upload > > says that optional filters are neither available or required. Just > > how many software filters can be configured at once on the IC-7000? > > Can I have a 250 Hz CW and a 500 Hz CW filter programmed at once? > > DSP filters not crystal filters. With dual passband tuning you can > get just about any passband and center frequency in 50Hz and 100Hz > steps respectively as long as it remains below the basic bandwidth > setting for the filter, which is also variable in principle. > > > Does the IC-7000 transmitter conk out around 12 volts like the > > IC-706mkiiG, or is it friendlier towards 12 volt batteries? > > It does not run on batteries at this time. But that is because it > does not run at all at this time. Apparently it is still in design > not production. > > {^_-} W6MKU > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ic7000-unsubscribe@... > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Scanned by WinProxy > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ic7000-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Dr. Howard S. White
You are right,,, except it is a bit tiresome to hear people complaining about prices that don't exist yet...
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From: Paul Manuel To: ic7000@... Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? --- "Dr. Howard S. White" <drpaper@...> wrote: > All these people must be smoking something.. the product does not exist > yet...except for a brief mention in a French magazine...of some alleged > specs...and yet people are already pricing it, complaining the price > will be too high or too low, speculating on the filter configurations, > etc. etc. etc.. > Get a Life Folks.. IT DOES NOT EXIST YET..Stop speculating... you are > only wasting bandwidth... I don't really understand the purpose of this group at this point if it is not to speculate, such as you did on the eventual model number. 73, Paul K4PDM __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ic7000-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Hi Howard,I go aloing with Adam, I'm sure ICOM reads the messages too and the feed back might be helpful to them. I find it interesting how Hams repsond to new toys. P49K As the whole IC-7000 concept is speculative at this stage, I see noharm in a healthy dose of speculation. This can often lead to interestingtechnical discussion, expressions of wishes/hopes for features andcapabilities, etc. ward S. White [mailto:drpaper@m...] Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 01:39will be too high or too low, speculating on the filter configurations, etc. etc.are only wasting bandwidth...(less likely).... whatever it turns out to be!will not > be the same price or lower than what I am paying for my new---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --Service.
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Hi Howard,
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As the whole IC-7000 concept is speculative at this stage, I see no harm in a healthy dose of speculation. This can often lead to interesting technical discussion, expressions of wishes/hopes for features and capabilities, etc. Speculation is encouraged - with the usual caveat that civil and polite discourse is expected. (The alternative to same will simply not be tolerated.) Best 73, Adam, VA7OJ/AB4OJ Owner, Yahoo! ic7000 Group -----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Howard S. White [mailto:drpaper@...] Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 01:39 To: ic7000@... Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? Joanne: All these people must be smoking something.. the product does not exist yet...except for a brief mention in a French magazine...of some alleged specs...and yet people are already pricing it, complaining the price will be too high or too low, speculating on the filter configurations, etc. etc. etc.. Get a Life Folks.. IT DOES NOT EXIST YET..Stop speculating... you are only wasting bandwidth... Wait until it is offically announced in Japan (likely)... or Dayton (less likely) I am still betting it wll have a number other that IC-7000 FYI - Like I did for the Pro3 and the SteppIR MonstIR, I am going to HRO tomorrow and put in an order for one .. just so I can say I got the first one....(it's a guy thing again) .... whatever it turns out to be! __________________________________________________________ Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" Formerly "Awfully Extremely Six Sado Masochist" "Krazy Yankee Six Loves America" ----- Original Message ----- From: jdow To: ic7000@... Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? From: "Ya`akov N. Miles" <ve7alq@...> > > How much is the Icom IC-7000 going to cost me? I presume it will not > be the same price or lower than what I am paying for my new > IC-706mkiiG. Infinite dollars today. > Does anyone know more about the filter options. Your English upload > says that optional filters are neither available or required. Just > how many software filters can be configured at once on the IC-7000? > Can I have a 250 Hz CW and a 500 Hz CW filter programmed at once? DSP filters not crystal filters. With dual passband tuning you can get just about any passband and center frequency in 50Hz and 100Hz steps respectively as long as it remains below the basic bandwidth setting for the filter, which is also variable in principle. > Does the IC-7000 transmitter conk out around 12 volts like the > IC-706mkiiG, or is it friendlier towards 12 volt batteries? It does not run on batteries at this time. But that is because it does not run at all at this time. Apparently it is still in design not production. {^_-} W6MKU Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ic7000-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links Scanned by WinProxy |
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Paul Manuel
--- "Dr. Howard S. White" <drpaper@...> wrote:
All these people must be smoking something.. the product does not existI don't really understand the purpose of this group at this point if it is not to speculate, such as you did on the eventual model number. 73, Paul K4PDM __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. |
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jdow
Probable announcement is at some event in France given the source of
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the original news (leak?) {^_^} ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Howard S. White" <drpaper@...> yet...except for a brief mention in a French magazine...of some alleged specs...and yet people are already pricing it, complaining the price will be too high or too low, speculating on the filter configurations, etc. etc. etc.. wasting bandwidth... likely) tomorrow and put in an order for one whatever it turns out to be! ---- Yahoo! Groups LinksService.
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Dr. Howard S. White
Joanne:
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All these people must be smoking something.. the product does not exist yet...except for a brief mention in a French magazine...of some alleged specs...and yet people are already pricing it, complaining the price will be too high or too low, speculating on the filter configurations, etc. etc. etc.. Get a Life Folks.. IT DOES NOT EXIST YET..Stop speculating... you are only wasting bandwidth... Wait until it is offically announced in Japan (likely)... or Dayton (less likely) I am still betting it wll have a number other that IC-7000 FYI - Like I did for the Pro3 and the SteppIR MonstIR, I am going to HRO tomorrow and put in an order for one .. just so I can say I got the first one....(it's a guy thing again) .... whatever it turns out to be! __________________________________________________________ Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" Formerly "Awfully Extremely Six Sado Masochist" "Krazy Yankee Six Loves America" ----- Original Message -----
From: jdow To: ic7000@... Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [ic7000] How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? From: "Ya`akov N. Miles" <ve7alq@...> > > How much is the Icom IC-7000 going to cost me? I presume it will not > be the same price or lower than what I am paying for my new > IC-706mkiiG. Infinite dollars today. > Does anyone know more about the filter options. Your English upload > says that optional filters are neither available or required. Just > how many software filters can be configured at once on the IC-7000? > Can I have a 250 Hz CW and a 500 Hz CW filter programmed at once? DSP filters not crystal filters. With dual passband tuning you can get just about any passband and center frequency in 50Hz and 100Hz steps respectively as long as it remains below the basic bandwidth setting for the filter, which is also variable in principle. > Does the IC-7000 transmitter conk out around 12 volts like the > IC-706mkiiG, or is it friendlier towards 12 volt batteries? It does not run on batteries at this time. But that is because it does not run at all at this time. Apparently it is still in design not production. {^_-} W6MKU Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ic7000-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Hi Ya'akov,
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This phenomenon (actual blow-by caused by inadequate stopband attenuation of the filter, or signal leakage around the filter) cannot occur in a DSP filter system, as the stopband attenuation and comebacks (lobes) are a long way below the 0 dBr passband-centre reference. Have you attempted to measure the blow-by in your 706 by sweeping across the passband with a signal generator and measuring the audio output in the passband and stopband? Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message-----
From: Ya`akov N. Miles [mailto:ve7alq@...] Sent: 25 February 2005 12:22 To: ic7000@... Subject: [ic7000] Re: How much is the IC-7000 going to cost me? --- In ic7000@..., "jdow" <jdow@e...> wrote: From: "Adam Farson" <farson@s...>[snip] Filter ringing is probably what he is hearing. The sharper thefilter the more the filter rings. And it will ring to the tune of offfrequency signals as well as on frequency signals.I should like to disagree. Neither of my two filters ring. Signals 5 kHz off frequency sneak past the 500 Hz and the 250 Hz filters in the Icom IC-706mkiiG. I know it is "blow-by" because I hear the signals offset by the correct amount (2.5 kHz to 7.5 kHz) as high pitched (Morse). I can tune in these signals and of course they are _much_ louder inside the filter passband. Signal strengths I am talking about are 40 over S9 within the filter passband and S5 or less when "blowing by" the filter. I trust that this is not going to be an issue with the ic7000 Scanned by WinProxy |
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If you are correct with pricing then it will be
a big mistake for ICOM. P49K --- In ic7000@..., MKM <mab2000@v...> wrote: Respectfully I disagree.soon- -not |
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MKM
Respectfully I disagree.
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Icom seems to have their own pricing agenda. In a sense they do not compete with Yaesu or Kenwood in their minds. I truly believe that they believe they are the best and charge accordingly for their radios. Of course I want lower prices like everyone else but, this time I truly believe the radio will cost around the price I stated before. Again they will not compete with the likes of yaesu ft857 and such. People will still buy the ft857. Most of the people on this group will go for the 7000, especially owners of 7800 and pro3s. I always been an Icom person. This is like being an Apple fan. Yes they charge more, but boy what an experience. -best On Feb 25, 2005, at 3:39 PM, p49k wrote:
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jdow
If you say so. I have the graphs here that say you are misinterpreting
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what you are seeing and hearing. What you are calling blow by of CW signals is indeed ringing. It is a vicious problem with sharp filters. I spent quite some effort for a fast frequency hopping radio getting the ringing down to levels such that I did not experience jamming by strong adjacent channel signals simply due to this basic property of filters. A softer stop band curve will show less ringing for signals outside the passband. It will snow less attenuation of pure continuous carriers. At some point there is an optimal compromise for your given application. I note that the basic ProII filters are VERY sharp. As such mathematical analysis of the filter properties suggests you will get filter output excited by signals outside the filter's passband and that this will be an annoying problem in most cases. It will be an issue with any transceiver that has a very sharp CW filter. There's nothing that can be done about it. As an aside what engineers call blow by is actual signal leakage around the filter when tested with continuous carriers. The digital filters appear to have precious little of this blow by. The filter lobes are far enough below the passband level that you're talking of a fantasy world with better filtering the last I checked on my ProII. I really figure what CW operators call blow by is something entirely different, filter ringing due to excitation from off frequency signals. The more "key click" the off frequency signal has the worse this ringing will be. And note that the ringing will not necessarily be classic 100Hz single crystal filter ringing that happens with on frequency signals due simply to the narrow pass band. If you want to use filters correctly in weak signal vs. strong signal environments it does pay to understand your filter characteristics very intimately so you can make useful compromises. {^_^} W5MKU, who has considerable experience designing exotic receivers and frequency synthesizers usually for military applications. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ya`akov N. Miles" <ve7alq@...> --- In ic7000@..., "jdow" <jdow@e...> wrote:From: "Adam Farson" <farson@s...>[snip]Filter ringing is probably what he is hearing. The sharper thefilterthe more the filter rings. And it will ring to the tune of offfrequencysignals as well as on frequency signals.I should like to disagree. Neither of my two filters ring. Signals 5 |
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I agree with Paul,
I say it will be in the ballpark of the 857D. the Kenwood 480 has more power or built in antenna tuner to "almost" justify it's cost. It would have to have more bands like 222MHz to be worth more than what an 857D goes for. P49K --- In ic7000@..., Paul Manuel <k4pdm@y...> wrote: with PS125, and more than twice the price of the Yaesu FT-857D. It isaround twice the Kenwood TS-480SAT's cost. However great the 7000 is, theprimary use will be mobile, and must compete for sales with other mobilerigs. If it comes in drastically above the others, I think it will drop soon--not necessarily to their level, but not twice that much, either. |
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--- In ic7000@..., "jdow" <jdow@e...> wrote:
From: "Adam Farson" <farson@s...>[snip] Filter ringing is probably what he is hearing. The sharper thefilter the more the filter rings. And it will ring to the tune of offfrequency signals as well as on frequency signals.I should like to disagree. Neither of my two filters ring. Signals 5 kHz off frequency sneak past the 500 Hz and the 250 Hz filters in the Icom IC-706mkiiG. I know it is "blow-by" because I hear the signals offset by the correct amount (2.5 kHz to 7.5 kHz) as high pitched (Morse). I can tune in these signals and of course they are _much_ louder inside the filter passband. Signal strengths I am talking about are 40 over S9 within the filter passband and S5 or less when "blowing by" the filter. I trust that this is not going to be an issue with the ic7000 |
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