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You bring up a valid point Adam.
It's about time the big three start incorporating Flash upgrade
capability into Ham rigs. Put a Flash ROM micro in there
instead of an OTP part (I'll gladly pay the extra $5) with
bootloader code and the appropriate interface to allow us
to update the firmware if and when fixes/updates become
available.

Granted, there will always be the odd case of someone
who messes up the bootloader and ends up having to
take the rig in to be serviced but I'd like to think that we
technical folks won't run into that too often. The usual
risks and warnings would apply.
My non-technical neighbor can Flash upgrade his computer
motherboard but I can't do it with my $1000 Ham rig.
What gives ?

As far as I know only Tentec has gone there.

73 de Hugh VA3TO



Adam Farson wrote:

...Firmware upgradeability
Absolutely right! Given how much we are paying for these rigs, this
capability ought to be very standard. I hope Icom listens to this one.

--- In ic7000@..., "Huze@w..." <hduff@c...> wrote:

You bring up a valid point Adam.
It's about time the big three start incorporating Flash upgrade
capability into Ham rigs. Put a Flash ROM micro in there
instead of an OTP part (I'll gladly pay the extra $5) with
bootloader code and the appropriate interface to allow us
to update the firmware if and when fixes/updates become
available.

Granted, there will always be the odd case of someone
who messes up the bootloader and ends up having to
take the rig in to be serviced but I'd like to think that we
technical folks won't run into that too often. The usual
risks and warnings would apply.
My non-technical neighbor can Flash upgrade his computer
motherboard but I can't do it with my $1000 Ham rig.
What gives ?

As far as I know only Tentec has gone there.

73 de Hugh VA3TO



Adam Farson wrote:

That would be a function of the DSP. If it is not offered as part

of the

package, there will be no practical way for the user to add it.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ

-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 11:16
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



If this is true a mod to offer ATV TX would be great!
That will really make the rig different

p49k

--- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:

According to my information from Japan, TVRO (broadcast TV)

reception will

be a feature of the IC-7000. We shall have to wait for the official

product

announcement to be certain.

Here is an excellent reason to buy the IC-7000, even without TVRO:

It is a

100% IF-DSP-based radio, with the capabilities (and likely much

of the

performance) of the IC-756Pro3 and IC-746Pro, in a small mobile

package.

There are no filters to buy either!

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 06:24
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



Would ATV (video) reception be a rumor or a wish for the

IC-7000. I'm

thinking about getting but can't come up with a reason yet.

p49k

--- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:

Hi Ismail,

Yes, I can see that. (Excuse the pun!) The primary usage of

the TVRO

feature

will probably be in Japan, where most TV broadcasting is

over-the-air.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: ke6tln@j... [mailto:ke6tln@j...]
Sent: 30 March 2005 16:21
To: ic7000@...
Subject: RE: [ic7000] FW: IC-7000



Hi Adam,

The capability of TV reception is a welcome addition for those

of us

who are

involved in ATV and would like to have the combined capability of

conversing

in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV repeater on, say

421.250.

Regards,
Ismail, KT6LN

Hi Ed,

I believe this refers to domestic delivery in Japan. The FCC

certification

process will delay US release, probably until 3Q/2005.

The TV-receive capability will be of little use in Canada, as

almost

100% of

TV service is on cable or satellite and there are very few

over-the-air TV

transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV spectrum has been

reallocated to

land-mobile and wireless services.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ





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Just a few weeks ago, I upgraded the firmware in my Kenwood TS-480SAT
-
- worked great. And I agree that any new rigs should be able to do
that!

- Dave N0RQ


--- In ic7000@..., "Huze@w..." <hduff@c...> wrote:

You bring up a valid point Adam.
It's about time the big three start incorporating Flash upgrade
capability into Ham rigs.

...

As far as I know only Tentec has gone there.

Just a few weeks ago, I upgraded the firmware in my Kenwood TS-480SAT
-
- worked great. And I agree that any new rigs should be able to do
that!

Also the manufacturer should support firmware updating via the computer
interface and document it. That way thrid party control software could
provide support for it, e.g. by a wizard or the like.

AFAIK the IC-7800 allows firmware update via its ethernet port. However
as its undocumented, an Icom utility software has to be used.

Ralf, OE5ROP

One point: Usually, the issue of a flash ROM is defined in terms of the
longevity of any product. Since the development cycle for Icom's best
and brightest products, eg. IC-706 / 706MKII / 706MKIIG and now the
756x series--I say, given the fact that the development cycle for these
products is now reaching several years (the IC-706 was first introduced
in 1999, IIRC), it seems that flash upgradeability would be a distinct
development support advantage.

73 de KX7Q

I hear you but IMHO there's really no excuse
not to use a Flash microcontroller in this
day and age. Whether or not a Flash upgrade
is ever required during the product life, the cost
to incorporate the capability is minimal. I don't
know about you, but it sure would make me feel
more comfortable to know that the capability is
there on a piece of equipment that I just paid
$1000 for, especially if I buy one from an early
production run.
It could also allow the equipment manufacturer
to get the product to market faster, then offer
updates at a later time (i.e. ATV transmit).
We're not talking about toasters or VCRs here
and techies love "updates". I like it !

A cynic might conclude that not providing an
upgrade path such as firmware flashing capability
is simply a marketing strategy to force turnover for
sales of the new and improved replacement product.

73 de Hugh VA3TO

RB wrote:

Having worked with the D-STAR products, in ICOMs most
advanced product line, I can tell you that you will
not be seeing user upgradeable firmware, and
especially bootloader access any time soon.


--- jimwasson1 <jimwasson1@...> wrote:

...Firmware upgradeability
Absolutely right! Given how much we are paying for
these rigs, this
capability ought to be very standard. I hope Icom
listens to this one.

--- In ic7000@..., "Huze@w..."
<hduff@c...> wrote:

You bring up a valid point Adam.
It's about time the big three start incorporating

Flash upgrade

capability into Ham rigs. Put a Flash ROM micro

in there

instead of an OTP part (I'll gladly pay the extra

$5) with

bootloader code and the appropriate interface to

allow us

to update the firmware if and when fixes/updates

become

available.

Granted, there will always be the odd case of

someone

who messes up the bootloader and ends up having to
take the rig in to be serviced but I'd like to

think that we

technical folks won't run into that too often. The

usual

risks and warnings would apply.
My non-technical neighbor can Flash upgrade his

computer

motherboard but I can't do it with my $1000 Ham

rig.

What gives ?

As far as I know only Tentec has gone there.

73 de Hugh VA3TO



Adam Farson wrote:

That would be a function of the DSP. If it is

not offered as part
of the

package, there will be no practical way for the

user to add it.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ

-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 11:16
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



If this is true a mod to offer ATV TX would be

great!

That will really make the rig different

p49k

--- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson

<farson@s...> wrote:

According to my information from Japan, TVRO

(broadcast TV)

reception will

be a feature of the IC-7000. We shall have to

wait for the official

product

announcement to be certain.

Here is an excellent reason to buy the

IC-7000, even without TVRO:

It is a

100% IF-DSP-based radio, with the capabilities

(and likely much
of the

performance) of the IC-756Pro3 and IC-746Pro,

in a small mobile
package.

There are no filters to buy either!

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 06:24
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



Would ATV (video) reception be a rumor or a

wish for the
IC-7000. I'm

thinking about getting but can't come up with

a reason yet.

p49k

--- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson

<farson@s...> wrote:

Hi Ismail,

Yes, I can see that. (Excuse the pun!) The

primary usage of
the TVRO

feature

will probably be in Japan, where most TV

broadcasting is
over-the-air.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: ke6tln@j... [mailto:ke6tln@j...]
Sent: 30 March 2005 16:21
To: ic7000@...
Subject: RE: [ic7000] FW: IC-7000



Hi Adam,

The capability of TV reception is a welcome

addition for those
of us

who are

involved in ATV and would like to have the

combined capability of

conversing

in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV

repeater on, say
421.250.

Regards,
Ismail, KT6LN

Hi Ed,

I believe this refers to domestic delivery

in Japan. The FCC

certification

process will delay US release, probably

until 3Q/2005.

The TV-receive capability will be of little

use in Canada, as
almost

100% of

TV service is on cable or satellite and

there are very few

over-the-air TV

transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV

spectrum has been

reallocated to

land-mobile and wireless services.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ





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