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Re: IBM Pension and Kyndtyl Spin-off

 
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The IBM US pension plan has been fully funded (in fact, it has been overfunded) for quite a few years.? As a result, IBM has not had to make contributions to it.? IBM's pension benefit obligations have been declining since IBM froze the pension plan at the end of 2007.? If there is a severe downturn in the stock or bond market in the future, IBM may then have to make contributions to plan to bring it back up to fully funded status.? But for now, it is coasting along with the funds that are there.?

When IBM spun off Kyndryl, I don't believe any part of the pension plan went over to Kyndryl.? The employees who are now part of Kyndryl are now former employees of IBM, with vested rights to whatever pension benefits they had earned.? Some are eligible to retire under the IBM pension plan, and can start collecting their pension even though they are actively working for Kyndryl. Those who are not eligible to retire can start collecting their vested pension benefit.

IBM's pension obligations after the spin off of Kyndryl are the same as they were before the spin off.? Although IBM may have less revenue coming in without Kyndryl's revenue share, it doesn't seem likely that it will have any effect on the pension plan.


IBM Pension and Kyndtyl Spin-off

 

I'm curious if anyone definitively knows this answer....In general, Is or has IBM continuing to fund the pension plan?? ?So, Kyndryl spun off earlier this month with about 30% of IBM revenue taken.? ? So if IBM was continuing to fund, does Kyndryl now accept some liability for that as well?? I've heard differing opinions on this question about whether or not IBM provides additional dollars into the pension plan since it's been frozen for about 15 years as I recall.? TIA.


Re: SOS....Promises Broken

 

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Thanks for sharing your experience. Gee, I wonder if Vanguard's downfall has anything to
do with the sad passing of John Bogle in 2019.

I recently consolidated all my accounts from Vanguard, TD, etc into Fidelity. Fidelity is
not a public company, therefore not beholden to Wall Street.


Re: SOS....Promises Broken

 

I want to make a few comments on Vanguard. I have been a Vanguard client since the late 1970's when I opened an account and started buying Vanguard funds.? As my savings grew I opened IRA's and by the?mid 1990's I had invested enough to qualify for? Flagship status. At the time that offered some useful benefits. I had an assigned contact at Vanguard, I was provided free stock transactions, I was able?to have a review of my investment portfolio by a Registered CFP, I could purchase Vanguard Admirals class funds that?had higher?minimums and lower costs than the Investor class,?I was able to invest in funds that were closed to non-Flagship investors. Over the last two years one by one these advantages have disappeared to where now nothing?works very well for me. Customer service is pretty much?non-existent, everybody gets free stock trades, options trading is more expensive than most of the other brokers, no review of portfolio available but I am inundated with pleas to sign up for Vanguard Advisor services. That?service has competitive?fee structures but so far the reviews have not been great and maybe you get what you pay for. Lastly, the biggest reason I am?so?unhappy with Vanguard is the pathetic excuse for trading?platforms provided by Vanguard with their Web platform and pretty much useless mobile offerings. In any case I am done with Vanguard and will be moving my accounts to Schwab before the end of the year. I currently use TD Ameritrade ThinkorSwim (TOS) platform and love it and now?that Schwab?has acquired?TD Ameritrade I have even more reasons to move.


Vanguard retiree medical

 

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For now, Vanguard has restored retiree medical, but Vanguard can still revoke it or replace it with something else.


SOS....Promises Broken

 

Same old sheet, different place....this story rang many old IBM bells.
Although, with the mass shortage of workers today and people quitting
right and left, you have to wonder whether this ship might be ready to
do an about face.


Promises Broken
Greg Spears, 12:05 pm ET

VANGUARD GROUP is renowned for its rock-bottom investment costs, including announcing last week that it was expenses on its target-date retirement funds. As a former Vanguard employee, I just learned how the company is, in part, paying for such cuts. Yesterday, Vanguard emailed retired “crew members” like me to say it was shutting down its retiree medical account program.

When my old newspaper company’s pension plan collapsed last year—it was underfunded by $1 billion—my were picked up by the federal Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. I filed a few forms, waited a few weeks, and never missed a single cent.

But the money promised by Vanguard to its retirees comes with no guarantees, as I discovered yesterday. For each year after age 40 that you worked at the Malvern, Pennsylvania, fund manager, you got a $5,500 credit. There was 50% more added to a spousal account if you were married. After you retired, all that loot could be used to reimburse 75% of your health insurance premiums. To qualify, you had to work at Vanguard for at least 10 years and be age 50 or older, with?your years of service and age adding up to at least 65.

Often, when a benefit is cut, the pain is phased in. Those hired after, say, 2021 might lose the chance to qualify. Not this time. Every qualifying retiree lost their account entirely. Their spouses, too, including widows and widowers.

Vanguard said it will make a one-time payment of $40,000 next year to assist with the change. That might sound generous. But if you worked there a long time, as I did, you lost a six-figure sum, at least on paper.

My old newspaper company’s pension plan was regulated by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974. That law guarantees workers’ benefits will be paid. Vanguard doesn’t offer a guaranteed pension, or at least not to rank-and-file employees. But its retiree medical account seemed solid. Until it wasn’t. In the end, it was just a promise.

I don’t want to say that Vanguard founder would be spinning in his grave, because that’s such an overused cliché. I imagine, however, that he would have a few choice words to say if he were still here with us today.

I think Vanguard is a great place to invest, and I’m glad that I worked there. It felt good knowing we gave the average guy the best investments at the lowest cost. It was such a great business model that Vanguard was, on average, taking in $1 billion a day in new assets during the last two years I worked there. But being the lowest-cost provider is hard. You have to earn it every day. By cutting costs relentlessly.

Which reminds me of a story about life at ever-thrifty Vanguard. I got a call at my desk one day from a man who ran one of the country’s biggest 401(k) plans. The plan was replacing the provider of some of its index funds, he said, and bringing $7 billion to Vanguard.

Slightly shocked, I emailed the good news to my boss. I suggested we celebrate by having lunch at a nice restaurant.

He replied with two words: “You paying?”


Re: I stopped posting in the Yahoo Pension forum long ago

 

Only Lamont Cranston knows! Ha-ha-ha-ha!? All kidding aside (couldn't resist), I do seem to have a vague recollection of him, but haven't a clue to where he disappeared. He may have passed on or, probably like a lot of us, got fed up with the political turn the site was taking and the BS some got for not always siding with the moderator or think-a-likes. If it had been later, I would have attributed it to the switch to Facebook (another site that has become highly politicized and intrusive).


Re: I stopped posting in the Yahoo Pension forum long ago

 

My favorite poster of all time was "The Shadow" circa 1999 or early 2000's.??? Wonder what became of him?


Re: matching funds

 

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OK, Bob.? This link worked.? It actually has you then go to the new website IBM.org that Tim mentioned, but something carried forward in the link or whatever that made the account creation work this time.? Whatever, I am ok now.? Thanks, everyone.

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Re: matching funds

 

Some info at this link -->?

Bob Young


On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 2:38 PM netmouse <netmouser@...> wrote:
Does anyone have way - link - website - to ask for IBM matching funds to a charity donation??? For Retirees.


Re: where is everyone

 

This group won't let non administrators look at the directory so no idea how many retirees are even on this.? I use other groups.io for amateur radio groups in ibm ww and local just fine.?

You'd asked a question earlier about matching grants.? I believe ibm.yourcause.com? ? or? ?? is setup for that and recording volunteer hours which you can use to send limited funds from IBM to approved charities.? I sign in with my google acct but you can set up your own (just be consistent because if you switch all you data "disappears", crazy).? ?IBM Rochester MN retiree friends have used it but I've yet to see my donation come through.? ? ?Good luck? ?Dave N @ Rochester MN


Re: where is everyone

 

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I've been wondering the same thing.? I'm here just hunker downed.




Re: matching funds

 

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There is a facebook page called "IBMpension"


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of netmouse <netmouser@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 6:22 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ibmpension] matching funds
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Thanks, Tim.?? I tried to logon in with all 3 options.? Have no idea what email might be associated with IBM.org.? It said I need to register.? So I tried all by clicking button to register.? It loops and says I need to register as they don’t see me in their system.

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Gr-r-rrrr.? ?I opened a ticket under the contact us button.

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Re: matching funds

 

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Thanks Tim.

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Re: matching funds

 

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It's frustrating, I know. Since I no longer have my old, long retired IBM e-mail address, I used one of my own for registration. It appears they will take any valid e-mail address. I did this as soon as they opened this new process last summer, so I don't recall all the registration steps. As I recall it wasn't too painful, but not knowing what to expect does raise the anxiety level.

Also, once you do get established, read their disclaimers carefully. One I remember was particularly disconcerting was something about if they couldn't find/use the charity of your choice, they'd pick one. I don't remember the exact wording. So far, I haven't had any problems. However, be aware that if you donate through this system, your donation may take a loooong time to reach your charity. I was donating monthly to one, and it took several months before the charity saw any of my money. When I learned that, I started donating directly to the charity, and using the system's off-line donation feature to upload the receipt I get from the charity so IBM will match it.

Tim
Timothy A Johnson, Tucson, AZ ()
Member of European Train Enthusiasts ()
On 12/5/2020 4:22 PM, netmouse wrote:

Thanks, Tim.?? I tried to logon in with all 3 options.? Have no idea what email might be associated with IBM.org.? It said I need to register.? So I tried all by clicking button to register.? It loops and says I need to register as they don’t see me in their system.

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Gr-r-rrrr.? ?I opened a ticket under the contact us button.

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Netmouser

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Re: matching funds

 

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Thanks, Tim.?? I tried to logon in with all 3 options.? Have no idea what email might be associated with IBM.org.? It said I need to register.? So I tried all by clicking button to register.? It loops and says I need to register as they don’t see me in their system.

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Gr-r-rrrr.? ?I opened a ticket under the contact us button.

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Netmouser

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Re: matching funds

 

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Just used it today.

Tim
Timothy A Johnson, Tucson, AZ ()
Member of European Train Enthusiasts ()
On 12/5/2020 12:38 PM, netmouse wrote:

Does anyone have way - link - website - to ask for IBM matching funds to a charity donation??? For Retirees.


where is everyone

 

With Yahoo groups gone, and this is the replacement, it sure is a lot more quiet here.? Where did everyone go?


matching funds

 

Does anyone have way - link - website - to ask for IBM matching funds to a charity donation??? For Retirees.


Re: Looking into IBM

 

Hi Michal.

You posted: "I'm looking into IBM. Any thoughts or tips on how to go about it?"

This is a forum for folks interested in IBM Pension topics.? Those who have retired from IBM, or about to.

What do you mean by "I'm looking into IBM"?


On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 3:35:14 PM EST, michal.gordon via groups.io <michal.gordon@...> wrote:


Hi everyone.?
I'm looking into IBM. Any thoughts or tips on how to go about it?
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Thanks,?
Michal