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Re: Suggestion on How to Make this Board More Worthwhile

suspicious_mind
 

?Yeah, IBMPension is losing value real fast..once again, the Don guy is is not an IBM retiree is posting a lot of verbose useless stuff...noise level today was sky-high!



In ibmpensionissues@..., "zimowski@..." <zimowski@...> wrote:

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> Not interested in global reach or power, but dislike the selective censorship of the moderators on the ibmpension board. They seem to like your appends, so you are probably not aware of how discriminatory and impartial the censorship really is.
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> --- In ibmpensionissues@..., "donwshuper50" <dshuper2@> wrote:
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> > board and put Kathi et. al. out of business. My personal opinion is that many
> > of the moderators of ibmpension simply like having the power of censorship (i.e.
> > having control over what they allow/disallow on their board) for personal
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> > Sounds like you want global reach - global power
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> > Why not live and let live ?
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> > --- In ibmpensionissues@..., "zimowski@" <zimowski@> wrote:
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> > > I completely agree with your view of the moderators. Roughly 50% of my appends are censored by the moderators. I think the sole reason is that they simply disagree with the views that I express, even if the append does nothing more than politely complain about the selective censorship of the moderators.
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> > > In order to make this board more worthwhile, let me suggest that you repost each append that anyone posts to the ibmpension board and then not censor responses you don't agree with. Obviously, appends that use foul language or that direct personal attacks towards other participants should be dealt with, perhaps initially with a warning and then through some other means of your choosing (which I think you should make known in advance to all participants). My hope is that contributors to the ibmpension board will eventually all migrate to this board and put Kathi et. al. out of business. My personal opinion is that many of the moderators of ibmpension simply like having the power of censorship (i.e. having control over what they allow/disallow on their board) for personal reasons. Just a thought.....
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Re: Strange Bootlegging

icarlosdanger
 

I forgot, there are many low-information folks that needed stuff pre-filtered. Sorry.

Ah yes, and you probably get all your news from PBS and NPR, eh?

Let's see if the union site posts anything about what the re-elected Trumka said yesterday about Obamacare!!

Ha!

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--- In ibmpensionissues@..., <ibmpensionissues@...> wrote:

Why do you think this is strange?

There are numerous IBM-related groups and worthwhile information is spread all over the place. There's also a lot of nonsense that gets posted that makes it a PITA to weed through things to find the good stuff. So AlwaysOnTheRoad summarizes things and makes it easy to find what he considers posts that are worth reading. I wouldn't call it bootlegging. Just think of it as the Readers Digest of IBM groups.

And yes, some may think that he is biased and picks things that he agrees with. Overall, I think he does a pretty good job of presenting both sides. But you can never make everyone happy.
Re: Strange Bootlegging

edward_berkline
 

Why do you think this is strange?

There are numerous IBM-related groups and worthwhile information is spread all over the place. There's also a lot of nonsense that gets posted that makes it a PITA to weed through things to find the good stuff. So AlwaysOnTheRoad summarizes things and makes it easy to find what he considers posts that are worth reading. I wouldn't call it bootlegging. Just think of it as the Readers Digest of IBM groups.

And yes, some may think that he is biased and picks things that he agrees with. Overall, I think he does a pretty good job of presenting both sides. But you can never make everyone happy.
Strange Bootlegging

icarlosdanger
 

Isn't weird that posts from multiple IBM-related Yahoo groups are routinely posted to another non-Yahoo site, for many years?

Anyone know of ANY other Yahoo groups whose posts are routinely bootlegged to serve another website???

Strange hobby, for sure!
Re: Suggestion on How to Make this Board More Worthwhile

buckwildbeemer
 

more:




--- In ibmpensionissues@..., <ibmpensionissues@...> wrote:

I agree. I never understood why the ibmpension moderators approved so many posts from Don Shuper. I gave up trying to get posts approved many years ago.

--- In ibmpensionissues@..., "zimowski@..." <zimowski@...> wrote:
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> Not interested in global reach or power, but dislike the selective censorship of the moderators on the ibmpension board. They seem to like your appends, so you are probably not aware of how discriminatory and impartial the censorship really is.
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> --- In ibmpensionissues@..., "donwshuper50" <dshuper2@> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > . . . My hope
> > is that contributors to the ibmpension board will eventually all migrate to this
> > board and put Kathi et. al. out of business. My personal opinion is that many
> > of the moderators of ibmpension simply like having the power of censorship (i.e.
> > having control over what they allow/disallow on their board) for personal
> > reasons. Just a thought.....
> >
> >
> > Sounds like you want global reach - global power
> >
> >
> > Why not live and let live ?
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> > --- In ibmpensionissues@..., "zimowski@" <zimowski@> wrote:
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> > > I completely agree with your view of the moderators. Roughly 50% of my appends are censored by the moderators. I think the sole reason is that they simply disagree with the views that I express, even if the append does nothing more than politely complain about the selective censorship of the moderators.
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> > > In order to make this board more worthwhile, let me suggest that you repost each append that anyone posts to the ibmpension board and then not censor responses you don't agree with. Obviously, appends that use foul language or that direct personal attacks towards other participants should be dealt with, perhaps initially with a warning and then through some other means of your choosing (which I think you should make known in advance to all participants). My hope is that contributors to the ibmpension board will eventually all migrate to this board and put Kathi et. al. out of business. My personal opinion is that many of the moderators of ibmpension simply like having the power of censorship (i.e. having control over what they allow/disallow on their board) for personal reasons. Just a thought.....
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Towers Watson Primer

buckwildbeemer
 

Consider investing in them; I might!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=TW


See also:

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Towers-Watson-Reviews-E301558.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towers_Watson
Re: Yahoo neo format?

carsy_1999
 

My ID was switch to neo format and I do not like it.



--- In ibmpensionissues@..., <no_reply@...> wrote:

I have not had my ID subjected to the new Yahoo neo format so far, so I get to see and do everything the same way I have for the last few years. Based on what I have read, I am lucky so far. Who has been neo-ized and who has not yet?

Ronald Mobkas
WSJ Reporter Seeks Retirees to Speak With

ronald_mobkas
 

Crossposting from:



Hey folks,

My name is Spencer Ante. I cover technology for the Wall Street Journal.

I am looking to speak with some IBM retirees to get their views on this Extend Health move.

If you attended the San Jose briefing hosted by Extend Health I would also be interested in hearing your feedback on that session.

I can be reached at spencer.ante @ wsj.com.

Thanks in advance for considering the request.

best regards,
Spencer
Re: News for 110,000 retirees

 

Remember about a million years ago when you were young and hiring on. I remember the manager telling me I had the job and how my bride would have free medical coverage for life?
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On Sat, 9/7/13, buckwildbeemer <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: [ibmpensionissues] News for 110,000 retirees
To: ibmpensionissues@...
Date: Saturday, September 7, 2013, 5:00 PM
















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News
for 110,000 retirees
News for 110,000 retirees

buckwildbeemer
 

Re: Extend Health?

edward_berkline
 

A lot of discussion on Extend Health has been taking place in the real IBM pension group at



No sense in duplicating it all here.
Re: Can we use this forum to collectively help the group?

non_manager
 

Hi Tony,

How can we all be of help?


Tell us how far you have progressed with EH so far, etc.


--- In ibmpensionissues@..., <ibmpensionissues@...> wrote:

Thank you.


I just joined this group and was about to drop out after reading the first few highly partisan rant conversations.
Re: Extend Health?

non_manager
 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=extend+health+towers+watson



by??Aug 14th 2013 6:22AM


Towers Watson Reports Strong Fourth Quarter Earnings

  • Revenue increased 6% over prior year (7% constant currency)
  • Diluted EPS of $1.16, an increase of 27% over prior year
  • Adjusted Diluted EPS of $1.36, an increase of 9% over prior year

Fiscal Year 2013 Adjusted Diluted EPS of $5.57, an increase of 8% over prior year?
Fiscal Year 2013 Diluted EPS of $4.46, an increase of 24% over prior year

Fiscal Year 2013 Free Cash Flow of $453 million, an increase of 136% over prior year?
Fiscal Year 2013 Cash Flow from Operations of $531 million, an increase of 68% over prior year



--- In ibmpensionissues@..., <ibmpensionissues@...> wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this Extend Health that IBM is going to for it's benefits package? ?There was a "teaser" video on UTUBE a few days ago, and yesterday we got their "Getting Started" package in the mail. ?I went to their web site, and there is nothing there about services and costs until a person creates an account, and then sets up an appointment to create a benefits package. ?

I'm becoming a bit of a pessimist over this whole ACA/Obamacare thing, and I'm getting mentally prepared for a substantial reduction in what we have been getting from IBM. ?I will be pleasantly surprised if this thing has any positive ramifications.?
Extend Health?

 

Does anyone know anything about this Extend Health that IBM is going to for it's benefits package? ?There was a "teaser" video on UTUBE a few days ago, and yesterday we got their "Getting Started" package in the mail. ?I went to their web site, and there is nothing there about services and costs until a person creates an account, and then sets up an appointment to create a benefits package. ?


I'm becoming a bit of a pessimist over this whole ACA/Obamacare thing, and I'm getting mentally prepared for a substantial reduction in what we have been getting from IBM. ?I will be pleasantly surprised if this thing has any positive ramifications.?
Re: Can we use this forum to collectively help the group?

 

Thank you.


I just joined this group and was about to drop out after reading the first few highly partisan rant conversations. And then I read this one (Can we use this forum to collectively....). The discussions and comments were very useful for one who just got word of being pushed to a Medicare-eligible Exchange.?


Think I will stick for awhile.?



--- In ibmpensionissues@..., <no_reply@...> wrote:

If you really want to helpful to the rest of us post something simple and concise that informs us of something specific that might impact us IBM retirees. Or ask the group to collectively help with a specific issue relating to IBM pensions. I have been overwhelmed by the recent posting from some you regarding the Affordable Care Act.

I would like to challenge you members who have been posting to stop using:
- Labels such as Republicans versus Democrats
- Name calling
->conservatives, right wing
->liberals, socialists, communists, Obamacare, etc...
->racist
- Using slang
->recent example of this is someone used "his lettuce" which I think is referring to his saved assets or retirement income
- Using rumors or unproven generalizations about the US government's intentions with regard to laws that have been passed

Using the above mentioned in your posts forces us all to take one side or the other with no aid in helping an IBM retiree better understand or deal with a pension issue.
Yahoo neo format?

ronald_mobkas
 

I have not had my ID subjected to the new Yahoo neo format so far, so I get to see and do everything the same way I have for the last few years. Based on what I have read, I am lucky so far. Who has been neo-ized and who has not yet?

Ronald Mobkas
Re: Surviving Spouses

edward_berkline
 

Yes, they are entitled to the HRA contribution.

--- In ibmpensionissues@..., "ronaldmaggi" <ronaldmaggi@...> wrote:

I wonder whether surviving spouses of pre-1990 retirees will be entitled to any HRA contribution from IBM? The Employee Service Center gave me a vague answer of "probably" when I called about the current plan earlier this year.
Surviving Spouses

 

I wonder whether surviving spouses of pre-1990 retirees will be entitled to any HRA contribution from IBM? The Employee Service Center gave me a vague answer of "probably" when I called about the current plan earlier this year.
Re: Possible Employment for Those With Little or No Pension?

icarlosdanger
 

"Navigator" update:



According to President Obama, implementation of ObamaCare, his signature chunk of legislation, is rolling out exactly as he envisioned.

If so, he needs eyeglasses to go along with his Nicorette.

With questionable legal authority, the Obama administration has already had to postpone two major aspects of the complex legislation, despite three full years of preparation time.

Also, we now know healthcare will not be cheaper; premiums have already gone up.

You probably won't get to keep your existing plan if you like it. Big business, Congress and White House folks got special delays and waivers. But us regular people still must follow every letter.

And now we're learning of an immense barrel of worms in the enrollment process that is terrifying privacy and civil liberties advocates and many states' attorneys general. All this when, according to Gallup, a growing majority of Americans disapprove of the law, 52% last month, up from 46% when Obama was reelected.

The unspoken goal of ObamaCare implementation is, of course, to sign up as many millions of Americans as quickly as possible to get the new federal money flowing out as soon as possible, theoretically creating a hardcore cadre of entitlement-addicted citizens opposed to the law's repeal, reform or defunding.

The administration is already spending hundreds of millions of dollars encouraging people to enroll to get your taxpayer dollars, even if they were happy with the health plan they had. This includes having public school teachers take valuable class time to train pupils to sell ObamaCare to parents and family. Never mind English and math.

Have you heard of "navigators"? No, not Ferdinand Magellan or Vasco de Gama. These new battalions of government employees are being hired to help applicants enroll quicker for this Rube Goldberg-monstrosity called ObamaCare. Isn't that thoughtful?

These navigators will have absolutely zero background in insurance. But they'll be full of advice on what's best for you. And given Obama's record of truthfulness, who wouldn't trust a total government stranger implementing Obama's health plan?

In theory, these public employees will provide unbiased information to potential applicants about the best plans for them. To do this, navigators will assemble all the necessary personal information for each applicant from the vast new federal government data center.

It too is late and will have dubious standards about who can access all this data.

That's the data center authorized to plug into more than a half dozen major federal bureaucracies, including the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Social Security and -- wait for it! -- the Internal Revenue Service. The service that was using names to politically penalize conservative groups that Obama says he was totally clueless about.

--- In ibmpensionissues@..., Sheila Beaudry <sbbeaudry@...> wrote:

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UPS to drop 15,000 spouses from insurance, cites Obamacare

icarlosdanger
 



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