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The North Carolina rules for absentee ballot voters seems very flexible to me. The only time any kind of identification is required is when an individual who is registered to vote by mail has not previously voted in an election that includes a ballot item for federal office. The individual then includes one of the following types of identification in the envelope containing the absentee ballot: A copy of a current and valid photo identification or a copy of one of the following documents that shows the name and address of the voter: a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document.

Thanks for providing this information. I'm now even more convinced that the voter id requirements in NC are reasonable.

--- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sheila Beaudry wrote:
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> 7/29/13 This is the Technical corrections bill to several of the bills passed.?? See
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> From: "zimowski@..."
> To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 1:07 PM
> Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life
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> The date on my reference is July 27, 2013. How current is your reference?
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> --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sheila Beaudry wrote:
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> > This is where I read it:SECTION 14.(b) G.S. 163-166.12 reads as rewritten:
> > "???¡ì 163-166.12. Requirements for certain voters who register by mail.
> > (a) Voting in Person. ?????" An individual who has registered to vote by mail on or after January 1, 2003, and has not previously voted in an election that includes a ballot item for federal office in North Carolina, shall present to a local election official at a voting place before voting there one of the following:
> > (1) A current and valid photo identification.
> > (2) A copy of one of the following documents that shows the name and address of the voter: a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document.
> > (b) Voting Mail-In Absentee. ?????" An individual who has registered to vote by mail on or after January 1, 2003, and has not previously voted in an election that includes a ballot item for federal office in North Carolina, in order to cast a mail-in absentee vote, shall submit with the mailed-in absentee ballot one of the following:
> > (1) A copy of a current and valid photo identification.
> > (2) A copy of one of the following documents that shows the name and address of the voter: a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document.
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> > From: "zimowski@"
> > To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 11:27 AM
> > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life
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> > There are some that disagree with you. They quote from H589. Are they wrong?
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> > Here's an extract from the article:
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> > From the text of the H589:
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> > PART 2. PHOTO IDENTIFICATION
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> > SECTION 2.1. Article 14A of Chapter 163 of the General Statutes is amended by adding a new section to read:
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> > "???¡ì 163?????`166.13. Photo identification requirement for voting in person.
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> > (a) Every qualified voter voting in person in accordance with this Article, G.S. 163?????`227.2, or G.S. 163?????`182.1A shall present photo identification bearing any reasonable resemblance to that voter to a local election official at the voting place before voting, except as follows: [bold emphasis added by me above]
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> > The requirement to show an ID to vote is limited to those voting in person, with an allowance made for curbside voting outside a precinct where a poll worker comes to the car (this is considered in person). If you request an absentee ballot you do have to provide some identifying information in written form; options include providing a NC DL number, the last 4 digits of a Social Security number, etc [see ???¡ì 163?????`230.2. (4)].
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> > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sheila Beaudry wrote:
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> > > In NC the voter ID is required for absentee too.
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> > > From: "zimowski@"
> > > To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 12:22 AM
> > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life
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> > > My, my, my.... you do like to twist what others say. Not a winning argument if you're really trying to convince that I'm mistaken and should change my mind about the need for voter ids. You and I both know that I believe very strongly in everyone's right to vote. I also believe that legal immigrants should obtain their citizenship as quickly as possible so they can participate.
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> > > There are clear disadvantages to living in rural areas. If you get sick, the health care you need may not be readily available. You'll probably not be able to watch the latest movies when they're first released. You may or may not have good internet support or reliable cell phone service, etc.. And you may not be able to obtain a voter id as easily as you might like. But, if you get sick, you go to where the proper healthcare is available. Likewise, if voting is important to you and you need a voter id , then you do what it takes to get one. But having said that, it's my understanding that a voter id is not required to vote by absentee ballot. So is having to have a voter id a real problem for anyone? Why can't they just vote by absentee ballot? Their signature will be on file from when they originally registered to vote. Which reminds me, we are not talking about registering to vote, which is what you last post is all about. We're just talking about
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> > > requirement for the voter id.
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> > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, edward_berkline wrote:
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> > > > So your argument is that it is ok to make it inconvenient and difficult to register to vote and disenfranchise voters so long as those votes wouldn't make a difference in the outcome of the election? Something that can't be known with 100% certainty in advance!
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> > > > Shouldn't the policy be that no citizen, no matter what party, should not be disenfranchised and should be allowed to register to vote with no unnecessary roadblocks?
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> > > > Oh, I know, next you'll argue that the massive degree of voter fraud makes this necessary. But the truth is, the actual level of voter fraud is far, far below the level of being significant.
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> > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, "zimowski@" wrote:
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> > > > > It is possible to convince me that my view on something may be incorrect. Arguments that teach me something new and that support the point being made will have the best chance of success.
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> > > > > As far as Texas is concerned, I stand by the statement I made. Most rural Texans are Republican. If, in fact, a few rural Texans were unable to vote in the 2012 presidential election due to burdensome voter id laws, then I seriously doubt that these uncast votes if cast for Obama would have made any difference at all. From the wikipedia web site:
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> > > > > "Mitt Romney won the state of Texas with 57.17%, over Barack Obama's 41.38%. As in past elections, President Obama and the Democrats won in major metropolitan areas such as Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston, but Republicans were able to overwhelm the urban vote by sweeping the vast rural areas and suburbs of Texas by large margins."
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> > > > > Take a look at the pictorial county by county results and draw your own conclusions:
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