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Sue, I have to ask, do you or did you ever work for IBM? Or are you just posting to tis board because you have nothing better to do?

--- In ibmpensionissues@..., Sue Runyon wrote:
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> It's not true that unions in general and James Hoffa in particular don't want Obamacare. They just don't want their unions to be disadvantaged. They want to tweak what Obamacare is. They actually wanted MORE from Obamacare, but since this was the best we could get while trying to compromise with the Republicans, it's what they've accepted as a first start.
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> It was NOT shown in the links that Hoffa doesn't want Obamacare. That's either a lie on your part or your inadequate reading comprehension.
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> Communism and Socialism aren't the same thing. Never have been, and never will be. You might want to look up their definitions to learn more about them - or not, and stay misinformed. It's your choice, but that doesn't change the FACT that they aren't the same thing.
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> Anyone who's actually interested in learning more about this topic, and seeing how badly the Republicans are behaving now, should read the opinion piece that I've linked to before, from Norman Ornstein, a dyed in the wool Republican and conservative who works for a conservative think tank called the American Enterprise Institute. Here's the link. Notice the piece's title.
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> .... to do everything possible to undercut and destroy its implementation -- which in this case means finding ways to deny coverage to many who lack any health insurance; to keep millions who might be able to get better and cheaper coverage in the dark about their new options; to create disruption for the health providers who are trying to implement the law, including insurers, hospitals, and physicians; to threaten the even greater disruption via a government shutdown or breach of the debt limit in order to blackmail the president into abandoning the law; and to hope to benefit politically from all the resulting turmoil -- is simply unacceptable, even contemptible. One might expect this kind of behavior from a few grenade-throwing firebrands. That the effort is spearheaded by the Republican leaders of the House and Senate -- even if Speaker John Boehner is motivated by fear of his caucus, and McConnell and Cornyn by fear of Kentucky and Texas Republican activists -- takes one's breath away.
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> Subject: [ibmpensionissues] obama care and a a link to grow on.
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> Does it get any more Union than a Hoffa, with the exception of Richard Trumka?
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> James Hoffa doesn't want Obama care which was shown in those links that were critiqued. Isn't that Union and tell tale sign enough
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> Socialism / Progressivism is the new Communism its just wrapped up with a sexy bow and it has sparkly things to distract.
> The unwashed masses might not want socialism if they were not singing about said elected official in our elementary schools.
> This winning policy recently brought us the out come we call Detroit. "Outlie" that.
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> I am not a fan of Wall St types either. If you have lost money I am sorry to hear that. My family was impacted by the 1987 correction as well as 2000. But we "individually" are ultimately responsible for our own "purses". And I want my purse to get me some new golf clubs not pay for someone else's cell phone, flat panel or health care.
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> It is Wall Street that keeps the Business of Business running around the world even if health care and Pensions and 401Ks are going to Zero. It is Capitalism that pays the bills as well as the government entitlements commmunists/socialist/progressives want.
> Government doesn't create anything or create new private sector jobs or inventories and stuff like that, right? It just takes what is ours. Like they took the Ark of the Covenant in Indiana Jones. (Just kidding).
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> No I am not. I would be very impressed to see the Ark though if any one here has "connections".
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> I could be wrong. Like it really matters here.
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> From: Sue Runyon
> To: ibmpensionissues@...
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> Subject: Re: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare
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> No, I'm not a communist. I'm representative of the American public, in general - the same public that agreed with the TVA - the only way many rural Americans got affordable electricity, because of subsidies from wealthier Americans. The same public that overwhelmingly supports local fire departments, and good roads, and public schools and parks and libraries, etc, etc. The same public that supports Social Security and Medicare.
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> We're a nation that's a mixture of socialism and captalism. If you had a clue about what you were talking about, you'd know that it's socialism, not communism.
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> If you don't like living in a nation that's a strong mixture of socialism and captalism, then you should move elsewhere, because the vast majority of Americans are very happy with that mix - in fact, most of them would prefer that we have more socialism and less laissez faire capitalism - the stuff that's made banks and hedge fund managers so rich and left most of the rest of us off the gravy train.
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> You're the outlier here, not me.
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> Anecdotal info about how in a FEW cases, it's better to travel to another country for health care isn't evidence that everything about the care in the other nation is perfect for every resident of that country. Yet you seem to be under the delusion that it is. Yes, in a very few cases, Canadians DO travel to the USA for health care, but for the most part, they are quite happy with their heathcare system, and they don't have millions of people left out in the cold without coverages like we have here in the USA. If people in the USA who have an issue with our healthcare system could resolve those issues by travelling to another nation, we'd have a lot more people going to Canada than we have Canadians coming here.
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> Yet you think that your argument is a winning one. I'm not surprised.
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> So, now to your totally disingenuous arguments below.
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> 1. There is an issue that some unions with healthcare plans that are called "non-profit" are having. They don't want an exemption from Obamacare. They don't want to be denied participa (Message over 64 KB, truncated) From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 567 Return-Path: X-Sender: zimowski@... X-Apparently-To: ibmpensionissues@... 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I guess you just don't realize that it polarizes and turns off readers that might otherwise be receptive to your arguments. --- In ibmpensionissues@..., edward_berkline wrote: > > Your post shows how clueless you are about this issue, Dino. > > For many people, it's got nothing to do with being serious about voting and it's not as simple as going to the DMV on your lunch break. > > States like NC and TX have been creating as many hurdles as they can to be able to get a photo ID. In order to get that, you need other ID, such as a birth certificate. Many Americans, especially older ones, don't have what the state considers a valid birth certificate because they were born in rural areas and at home, rather than a hospital. That was very common decades ago. > > In Texas, many people have to drive up to 250 miles to get to a DMV office, as only about 1/3 of the counties have a DMV office. That's an 8-hour round trip. And if you don't bring all the required documentation, you get to do it all over again. Many older people, or people who are in poor health, or who don't drive, simply can't do it. And that's exactly what the Republicans want. > > > > > --- In ibmpensionissues@..., "Sam Cay" wrote: > > > > If you were serious about your right to vote you would make arrangements to get the ID. Your post assumes none of these people have a drivers licence or a birth certificate. We didn't cause the "single" mother so she should be able to be responsible for her and her child's life.After all it was her body and her decision. > > > > --- In ibmpensionissues@..., Sheila Beaudry wrote: > > > > > > I don't expect it would only be听an inconvenience听 and manageable expense for people like us.听 Unfortunately not everyone is like us.听 If you are a single mother working two jobs to make ends meet and your employer is already upset about you not being at work because of taking care of a sick child, if you are handicapped and cannot drive, if you are elderly and confuse easily and can't drive, if you are a student away from home and no car and DMV not on a bus line, then you might find听getting that ID just too hard to deal with. > > > 听 > > > Here are the hours of our one DMV office in the county: > > > Sunday Closed > > > Monday 8:00am - 4:30pm > > > Tuesday 8:00am - 4:30pm > > > Wednesday 8:00am - 4:30pm > > > Thursday 8:00am - 4:30pm > > > Friday 8:00am - 4:30pm > > > Saturday Closed > > > > > > From: "zimowski@" > > > To: ibmpensionissues@... > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 3:08 PM > > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life > > > > > > 听 > > > My perspective is a bit different than yours. Voter ID laws are not typically passed the day before an election. Those who wish to vote have plenty of time to get one, even if they think it's inconvenient to do so. I know that North Carolina requires a government issued photo id, but having to take off work in order to get one? Isn't the DMV or some other issuing entity open on Saturday? In California they are and you can even schedule an appointment in advance so there is no waiting when you get there. If it's too hard to obtain a government issued photo id in NC, then perhaps the laws or policies need to be changed to make it easier. I can remember instances in the past when I have been required to have multiple ids. I investigated what was required ahead of time and brought what was needed. Is being disorganized really a valid excuse for not being able to obtain an id? On to the homeless - I seriously doubt that the homeless vote. Without an address > > > they will nor be assigned a polling place, which means they probably need to go to some government office to vote, which I suspect few would do. As another member of this forum has pointed out, the homeless have more immediate basic survival issues to focus on. > > > > > > People can come up with all sorts of excuses for not doing this that or the other thing. All of us have needed to provide ids to initially register to vote. We obtained an id if we didn't already have one and followed the process because we felt that it was important to be able to vote. People without the proper id have plenty of time to obtain one before one is required. They are inexpensive and in many cases free to those that cannot afford them. People who care about their elderly family members or friends will assist them through the process if they need help. People who claim that the requirement for having an id is so burdensome that it prohibits them from voting simply don't think that casting their vote is that important. It's just not a priority for them. > > > > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sheila Beaudry wrote: > > > > > > > > NC just passed a new Voter ID law and it requires a copy of your photo ID to be sent with your absentee ballot.脗听 So if you don't have a scanner/printer at home it involves going out somewhere to get that copy and you still need to have that photo ID.脗听 Also they won't accept a college ID or your companies photo ID.脗听 It has to be a government issued ID.脗听 Also if your college student votes at their college area instead of coming home to vote or by absentee ballot, then the parents lose their tax deduction for the student on their NC taxes.脗听 My 90 year old arthritic mother will not be able to vote because her driver's license expired years ago as she can no longer drive.脗听 To be able to vote my brother will have to take off from work and take her to get an ID made.脗听 If you think that this doesn't discourage people from voting because it just isn't worth all the hassle, then you are not being realistic.脗听 Another problem is what is > > > required to get that > > > > ID.脗听 The elderly TN woman who was denied ID even though she brought them her birth certificate because she didn't also have her marriage license is an example of the problems.脗听 The homeless who live under a bridge are suppose to constitutionally be able to vote, but how do you establish proof of residence?脗听 They certainly don't have a bank statement or an electric bill to show.脗听 I would have little problem with requiring voter ID if there were actually a lot of people-impersonation type of fraud, but there isn't.脗听 ID will not stop the most prevalent problems and requiring it with these strict rules脗听can disenfranchise millions of people who should be able to vote.脗听 See http://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud > > > > 脗听 > > > > > > > > From: "zimowski@" > > > > To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:20 PM > > > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life > > > > > > > > 脗听 > > > > It took some time to explore these links. > > > > > > > > I think the propublica site seems to very objectively report what others say or think. However, it doesn't really endorse or refute anyone's argument or position. Here's an example: > > > > > > > > "How many voters might be turned away or dissuaded by the laws, and could they really affect the election? > > > > > > > > Answer: It's not clear." > > > > > > > > My conclusion: This site does not support or refute your claim that some will have trouble obtaining ids. > > > > > > > > Regarding the timesleader reference, you state "Multiple voters who no longer have ID's (but did when they initially registered to vote) who would be disenfranchised are cited in this news story." Multiple, in this case, is a grand total of 3. They are are homebound seniors who need to rely on others to help then get ids, and I understand that this makes getting an id more of a challenge. However, you fail to mention that each of these voters could get around the photo id requirement in Pennsylvania simply by casting an absentee ballot. > > > > > > > > Bottom line: Any of these folks can easily submit an absentee ballot. Wouldn't it, in fact, be more convenient for them to do so, given their frail health and dependencies on others to get around? Seems like a politically motivated law suit. > > > > > > > > The policymic web site is a Harvard University discussion forum. The article you reference is clearly an opinion based on the author's political slant. His conclusion says it all: "This voter identification phenomonon is scary in a way, in that Americans are all too willing to accept another way of feeling "safe" that assumes one is guilty until he or she proves himself innocent. We endure airport searches, Type 1 and Type 2 identification checks, and increased scrutiniy of our credit history and social networking in the name of safety, whether it be for individuals or organizations. Should every state implement a photogrpahic voter ID law, we will have succeeded in creating a national identifcation system in fact if not in name. What could be next, DNA samples taken at birth or when granted legal status? RFID chip implanatation to establish our whereabouts at all times? The more we subscribe to this need to feel safe, to this culture of fear, the less > > > > free we will be, and the upshot of it all is that these measures are invariably sponsored by those who think government is too big and must reduce its role in our lives." > > > > > > > > My conclusion: Nothing very objective about this article. Clearly just an opinion. Not convincing in any way, unless you already agree with the author prior to reading the article. > > > > > > > > The CNN article seems to be a rehash of the earlier links, and in general, CNN is to liberal Democrats what FOX is to conservative Republicans. Since you so vehemently dismiss anything reported by FOX, I choose to do the same for CNN, despite the fact that I do agree that FOX tends to be one-sided. CNN, likewise, tends to be one-sided. > > > > > > > > Finally the unnamed law professor. Could it, by any chance, be Barack Obama? Just kidding, but it's hard to verify the objectivity of unnamed sources. > > > > > > > > It's only the opinions in these articles, not the facts, that support your view. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sue Runyon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I swear, why do we KEEP having to spoonfeed you factual information? You should have learned by now that we don't write stuff we can't back up with multiple links. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.propublica.org/article/everything-youve-ever-wanted-to-know-about-voter-id-laws > > > > > > > > > > According to a study from NYU's Brennan Center, 11 percent of voting-age citizens lack necessary photo ID while many people in rural areas have trouble accessing ID offices. > > > > > > > > > > In Pennsylvania, nearly 760,000 registered voters, or 9.2 percent of the state's 8.2 million voter base, don't own state-issued ID cards, according to an analysis of state records by the Philadelphia Inquirer. State officials, on the other hand, place this number at between 80,000 and 90,000. > > > > > In Indiana and Georgia, states with the earliest versions of photo ID laws, about 1,300 provisional votes were discarded in the 2008 general election, later analysis has revealed. > > > > > As for the potential effect on the election, one analysis by Nate Silver at the New York Times' FiveThirtyEight blog estimates they could decrease voter turnout anywhere between 0.8 and 2.4 percent. It doesn't sound like a very wide margin, but it all depends on the electoral landscape. > > > > > "We don't know exactly how much these news laws will affect turnout or skew turnout in favor of Republicans," said Hasen, author of the recently released The Voting Wars: From Florida 2000 to the Next Election Meltdown. "But there's no question that in a very close election, they could be enough to make a difference in the outcome." > > > > > > > > > > http://www.timesleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?avis=TL&date=20130723&category=news&lopenr=307239747&Ref=AR&source=RSS > > > > > > > > > > Multiple voters who no longer have ID's (but did when they initially registered to vote) who would be disenfranchised are cited in this news story. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.policymic.com/articles/6660/voter-id-laws-are-solutions-in-search-of-a-problem > > > > > > > > > > Read this whole article, with many links, to see all the disenfranchisement that could happen. It's a solution looking for a problem. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/31/opinion/persily-voter-id-laws > > > > > > > > > > Written by a law professor. > > > > > > > > > > Now, can most people get ID's? Yes. Will a person who really wants to vote get whatever ID they can? Sure. But is it almost certain that a not-insignificant number of people will be dissuaded from voting because of these hurdles - and there's no justifiable reason to do so, as voter fraud is an insignificant problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Sheila Beaudry > > > > > To: ibmpensionissues > > > > > Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 4:42 pm > > > > > Subject: Re: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/10/24/351422/91-year-old-tennessee-woman-cant-vote-because-she-cant-stand-in-line-for-hours/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "zimowski@" > > > > > To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:08 PM > > > > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the evidence that some people will have a problem getting IDs? > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sue Runyon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There are some good arguments here, now lets add to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Please, please, add some good arguments... but sadly, you fail to do so below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Why should a poor, disenfranchised person be required to have a fishing license which costs money they don't have and prevents them from providing food for their family? > > > > > > > > > > > > >The states have determined that to protect our environment, to protect and maintain our waterways and our fish, we'll take advantage of use-specific fees to help fund those protections. It IS a regressive tax that affects the poorest among us more than the wealthier among us. If you think that's so wrong, feel free to lobby your state legislature to provide some income-based exemptions to the fishing license requirement. Please, do it!!! Or simply be a insincere hypocrite. Our nation has all kinds of user-based fees. That way, only those people who actually use the services pay for them. However, that doesn't work for large-scale projects like roads, schools, government in general, etc, and that's why we have progressive rate taxes to cover those costs. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Why should that same individual be required to provide id to get on the medical exchange, are we assuming fraud again? To provide id even at the doctors office is an unmanageable burden for these people. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Again, people had to show ID to vote in the first place. No one is saying that people shouldn't have to show ID to prove their identity when they enroll in a program or first register to vote. The problem is the ongoing burden to provide ID every time they vote! And you're right, it's going to be a burden to those people to provide that ID in order to qualify for that exchange, but THAT'S BECAUSE there's plenty of evidence of fraud that happened with regard to health care provision. It makes sense to have that barrier there, because there's a known problem. With voting, there is NOT evidence of any kind of significant voter fraud that would be fixed with Voter ID requirements. Your argument falls on its face when you acknowledge that fact - yet you make that argument anyway, even though it's ludicrously laughable. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Somehow they managed to provide id to obtain utility assistance, food stamps and a host of other things. > > > > > > Coming from a family where my father never made it to middle class and left overs were stretched to make the food budget every week, I never saw my parents or my grandmother without some form of id. They considered it a social responsibility to have an approved government issued form of id. Our birth certificates were kept and guarded jealously. > > > > > > > > > > > > >The fact that your family members never had any issues getting ID's is IRRELEVANT to the documented fact that millions of Americans will have a difficult time getting ID's. OF COURSE most people have ID's. Most people don't have difficult hurdles to surmount to get ID. No one claimed that it's a problem for everyone, so you can stop beating that strawman argument any time now. The ISSUE is that some people WILL have a problem getting ID's, and without evidence that there's a problem that needs a solution, there's no reason to put those hurdles in their path so that they have to get over them in order to vote! That's the issue - and, not strangely at all, it's the ISSUE I mentioned prominently in my post below!! Geesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Now I admit there could be some people who live homeless on the street, no id, nothing through no fault of their own but as far as medical they walk into a hospital and must be given care. They also have little taste for finding a voting booth since survival, food, shelter are their prime considerations. The decision of, do I stand in the soup kitchen line versus vote for the next president or congressman just doesn't even occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your failure/unwillingness to acknowledge a documented problem is your shortcoming. It's not evidence that the documented problem doesn't exist. Nonpartisan people have documented that millions of Americans who are registered voters and who would otherwise vote will find it difficult to get and keep ID's so that they can continue to vote as they have been doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sue Runyon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People had to have ID's in the first place to GET a voter registration card. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forcing them to have to provide that ID every time that they vote thereafter is the burden that concerns us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's so little vote fraud that it's a solution in search of a problem. What it does do is put a large burden on people of limited means to get and maintain a photo ID. They may not have access to their birth certificate anymore. They may have let their DL's lapse and therefore they'd have to pay to get a birth certificate, if they even can, so they can get the "free" State ID, if they can easily get to a place where the state would provide that free ID. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If vote fraud were any kind of a significant problem, I'd be in favor of finding a solution for it, and that might entail forcing people to show ID's every time they vote. But since it's not any kind of a significant problem, and forcing people to show ID whenever they vote will disenfranchise millions of people across the USA, I don't support it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No caring, well-informed person should support forcing a solution that will deny a ton of people the right to vote while solving a problem that doesn't exist in any sort of significant way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Kevin W > > > > > > > To: ibmpensionissues > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, Jul 28, 2013 10:48 am > > > > > > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is going to be more of a sarcasm comment than anything else, most likely not worthy of a reply, but here it is. > > > > > > > I find it interesting that we need to setup exchanges to verify peoples identify and status through a government funded database when we keep saying that doing the same thing to validate voters is bad, biased, racial etc. Wouldn't people have the same issue whether it be for health care or voting and wouldn't it be the same negatives? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need an id to fish, I need an id to drive, I need and id to open a bank acoount, have health care but not one to vote the people who create all these other things. > > > > > > > And of course the idea of stopping fraud doesn't hold water either since the general statement around voting without id is that we have no basis for assuming or proving fraud. With no id we would have no basis for fraud on our healthcare, we should simply trust everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sheila Beaudry wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, they are hiring people to help citizens sign up for health insurance through the Exchanges - a good thing.脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� They are verifying the person's information through other government database information to reduce the chances of fraud - another good thing.脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� I see no difference in hiring people to help people sign up for ACA than for social security or any other government program.脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� I certainly needed help figuring all that out.脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� The data will be no less secure than the data the social security database.脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� > > > > > > > > 脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� > > > > > > > > I don't know whether you all have figured it out yet, but the Republicans have begun another campaign to make people fear the Affordable Care Act.脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� They are doing everything they can to confuse people and make them worried so they won't sign up for it because they lost in the election and in the Supreme Court, and can't repeal it.脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� The next step is they will try to defund it.脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� Check out information you receive through independent fact checking sites.脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� Both parties spin things their way, but I have to say the anti-Obama anything folks have brought it to a new level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: buckwildbeemer > > > > > > > > To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:40 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 脙�'脝'脙鈥�'脙�'芒鈧�拧脙垄芒鈥毬�脜�� > > > > > > > > If you think the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is nosy, wait til you see how ObamaCare will know everything about you. John Merline of Investors.com joins Andrew Malcolm and Melissa Clouthier on the Malcolm & Melissa podcast to share his findings. Guaranteed to scare you! > > > > > > > > =============== > > > > > > > > Listen here: (more fun that reading here!) > > > > > > > > http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-and-melissa/072513-665149-malcolm-and-melissa-110-obamacare-invades-your-personal-life.htm > > > > > > > > =============== > > > > > > > > It really only applies to those going into the Exchanges. I sure hope the databases, data hubs are hacker-proofed, especially regarding identity theft, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case any readers are job hunting, Navigators of the above are being hired: > > > > > > > > http://www.cutimes.com/2013/07/26/obamacare-ppaca-navigators-to-earn-20-48-per-hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I *hope* Navigators have a high school diploma and a background check. > > > > > > > > > > >