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Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare

 

Personally I don't see much difference between the two parties that rule our politics. There was a South Park episode where Kenny I think refused to vote and messed up the entire system. It was because he felt he only had a choice between a douche bag and a stinking turd. All either side cares about is remaining in power. Each side caters to a specific set of groups and design legislation to appeal to those voters. Face it most voters are pretty much single issue voters. One thing rises above all else and that is what sways them.
Now on the Health Care topic. I do agree something that big had a lot of lobbyist but I imagine a lot of it came from the original Hillary debacle where she tried to create a health care package in secret and it blew up in her face. Personally I am not opposed to a universal health care package funded by the people for the people. But the way it was done was doomed to failure. The way it tries to cover things and the way the people look at it as a "right" will push the country over the bankruptcy line faster than we are traveling now.
Interesting enough I heard part of an article last night about obesity and how much of the nations health care costs are caused by it. Add to it things like smoking, alcohol and drug use, poor diet and suddenly you find that if people were simply sensible and logical about their health, exercise and good diet we could drastically cut the costs of health care in this country and most likely afford to provide the needed coverage. But we want our right to be lazy and obese in ever growing numbers and we want to support the right to have sugar as the second ingredient in every can of beans on the grocery shelf.

--- In ibmpensionissues@..., Don Mininger <don_m64015@...> wrote:

This Health Care Bill....like most pieces of Legislation...was written by the Health Care Industry Lobbyists in Washington. ??Very few bills are Ever written by the Congressmen, themselves....instead they are written by representatives of the Special Interests, and the Politicians just "Sponsor" them. ??As such, you can be sure that hidden in the bowels of this Bill, there are ample provisions to protect those who are getting quite wealthy off the misfortune and illnesses of the general population. ??WE are merely Pawns in the Global Chess Game taking place among the ultra wealthy as they try to "Out Billionaire" each other. ??If you want to Really Know who runs this country, just go to Opensecrets.org, and see where these politicians get their campaign money....then go to VoteSmart.org, and study their voting record. ??It quickly becomes apparent as to who the Masters really are. ??We truly have the best government that Big Money can buy. ??


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From: Tom <logan70389@...>
To: ibmpensionissues@...
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:27 AM
Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare



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I would like to know where this health care bill actually came from. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are just puppets in this scam. They are politicians - there is no way they crafted about 20k pages of legislation in a couple months. This health care bill had to be on the shelf already. With the press today - we will probably never know.

--- In ibmpensionissues@..., "Kevin W" <nowwicked@> wrote:

Many of us pointed out the potential pitfalls of this path several years ago. We were shouted down as haters, fear mongers even called racist simply because we didn't believe in the hype of the program.
Those supporting the program didn't bat an eye when they were told "we must pass this bill so we can see what is in it." All they saw were the vapor promises.

--- In ibmpensionissues@..., spitzerisnoweiner <no_reply@> wrote:



Soooo glad I never joined a union...

This is a bad re-distribution of wealth for sure.
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