Keyboard Shortcuts
ctrl + shift + ? :
Show all keyboard shortcuts
ctrl + g :
Navigate to a group
ctrl + shift + f :
Find
ctrl + / :
Quick actions
esc to dismiss
Likes
Search
[Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3
|
Hi Eric,
Sounds like the C3 you tried could stand to be serviced or, could be that you were not given the benefit of a good accoustical surrounding in which to try it. There is also the possibility that your M100's reverb made all the difference to your ear. If the C3 were serviced and setup properly in a good accoustical surrounding, you would most likely been hooked. Lyle Hammond Master Tech On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:49:05 -0800 (PST) Eric DRUTEL <F5TRV@...> writes: Hi Zooners,________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: . |
|
Ron Bell
It could be that the M-100 has red mylar caps in the tone generator, and
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
the C-3 wax caps. This can make a fairly large difference in the sound. I have a few organs with wax caps and two with mylar caps, the two with mylar are alot less muddy and sound more balanced. Cheers Ron Bell. ----- Original Message -----
From: <felix-at-home@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3 Hi Eric, |
|
Randall Bush
Lyle,
Another thought is the condition of things like TG capacitors. When I first got my C-3, I thought it sounded pretty good. I could not believe the change after I replaced the TG and vibrato line capacitors and added the RC networks. It was like a whole different C-3! Raul From: felix-at-home@... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. |
|
Nick Renich
Hello zoners. what are these rc networks?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Bush" <raul_de_jalapeno@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3 Lyle,first got my C-3, I thought it sounded pretty good. I could not believe thechange after I replaced the TG and vibrato line capacitors and added the RC |
|
Nick Renich
Hey Bernie i live in Kalgoorlie W.A. Actually i have a Leslie L122 which i
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
am holding for Frosty who i have seeen you speak to in this zone. ----- Original Message -----
From: <bernie.delaney@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3
|
|
Randall Bush
Hi Nick,
Starting about 1964, Hammond included additional filtering for twelve of the tonewheel outputs. This consists of a capacitor/resistor (RC network) on the output of these tonewheels. My C-3 is a 1961. When I ordered my TG cap kit from Goff, I also received the components to add the RC filtering. From: "Nick Renich" <nrenich@...> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: |
|
Hi Nick. I'm glad he tracked one down, I remember he said there was one in
Perth, they've quite hard to find in oz. I've still got to call him, and have a beer with him on day, he's a bit closer to me than yourself, he only works a couple of blocks away, and I'll get to go to one his gigs soon too hopefully. Out of interest, I was looking at a really nice B3 with twin 122 leslies on Ebay yesterday, they looked really beaut, unfortunately out of my price range, and a bit far away for me. I brought a Yamaha E70 last year for AU$600.00, and it's a nice organ, good sound and I thought the price was good considering they sold new for around AU$17,000.00 in the early 80's. I used to play a Hammond 122 when I was at school in around 1983, and it was a really nice sounding organ, and wouldn't mind buying one if I come across one for the right price, as its all about being in the right place at the right time. Regards, Bernie Delaney |
|
Peter D Abrams
For reference, here's the Service Bulletin for the RC filter mod.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Goff and Hammond both recommended installing the new filter assy on the front (looking from the back!) of the TG's, but I found if you cut the wire coming from the TG just right, you'd have enough lead wire to install them per the factory install (on top of the Coil/Cap for each of the 12 notes) The pdf version.... If you can't see the pdf's, Marc has also scanned them into gif's.... Hope this helps, pda Jax Fl. Randall Bush wrote:
|
|
Nick Renich
Hey Bernie i have an M111 in pristine condition which i don't use. Give me a
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
ring 08 90 229913 or 0417 950 987 and we will have a chat. Or give me your phone number and i will ring you. You won't be dissapointed.By the way Frosty ended up buying 3 Leslies off me, not just 1. ----- Original Message -----
From: <bernie.delaney@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3 in Perth, they've quite hard to find in oz. I've still got to call him, andonly works a couple of blocks away, and I'll get to go to one his gigs soon too122 leslies on Ebay yesterday, they looked really beaut, unfortunately out ofgood sound and I thought the price was good considering they sold new foraround AU$17,000.00 in the early 80's. |
|
Raul de Jalapeno
It helps to further mitigate crosstalk and rumble from those tonewheels prone to them.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Raul ----- Original Message -----
From: jlc7184@... To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3 Whats the advantage of adding this new rc network????? jeff Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
|
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
I think my A-100 needs about a dozen RC kits! I get a lot of crosstalk
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
between the Tonewheels. Of course with some of the stuff I play, it's not really that noticable! BCV-KG -----Original Message----- |
|
Raul de Jalapeno
Ken,
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
That's 'cause this time of year where you live it's so cold your fingers chatter on the manuals and make weird sounds.... In all seriousness, though, some have asked "How can you duplicate the LC match that Hammond set up at the factory with a cap kit?" The answer is thus: You can't. The man who originally matched those caps and coils has probably gone to worm. If I have a TG .1uF paper (wax) cap that now measures .0001uF, would I be better off retaining that cap simply because Hammond put it there or would I be better off replacing the cap with a .1uF of better material and chance a 2% tolerence in value? I think the answer is obvious. BTW, I measured all the caps in my Goff kit and they were within .01% of stated value. I'll bet any day that a 40 year old Hammond with new caps will sound better all around than one with old paper "wax" caps. Just time and physics at work. Raul ----- Original Message -----
From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: RE: [Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3 I think my A-100 needs about a dozen RC kits! I get a lot of crosstalk between the Tonewheels. Of course with some of the stuff I play, it's not really that noticable! BCV-KG > -----Original Message----- > From: jlc7184@... [mailto:jlc7184@...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:47 AM > To: hammond_zone@... > Subject: Re: [Hammond_zone] M101 VS C3 > > > Ok,thanks for the info Raul. > I guess i should consider puttin an rc kit in my a100 then. > > > jeff |
|
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Raul,
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Yeh, I think you hit the nail on the head. Especially because the poor A-100 is relegated to the breezeway, which is marginally heated. It's usually about 55-60 out there. I really need to order a kit from Goff for it. I've been dreading it, though. I've done a couple of those before, and it gets pretty tedious. About 1/3 of the way through, you're asking, "How many Tonewheels does this thing NEED, anyway!?" BCV-Ken -----Original Message----- |
to navigate to use esc to dismiss