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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tonewheel generators
Raul
HAven't had a chance to cost the shipping yet they're killing me at work right now. But as soon as I do the wheels will be on the way. About the shielding with steel your right about that.How about a lower grade stainless steel that is magnetic,I think the material cost would be offset by less handling and no plating or paint either.The stainless may discolor but NO rust and can be polished for a show model. The Old Guy |
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Re: [hammond_zone] What t402 I thinks of it :) +email
Randall Bush
Hey Zoners!
I want to thank Darren, our fine mate from the UK, for finding these valuable documents! As you all know, this is the issue that determines the viability of re-producing a TWG assembly. No real "work" has been done on this thing, as all of my contacts have simply been in the pen/pencil/paper/computer stage right now. All of these folks are performing this work gratis either because of their fascenation with the project or they owe me somethin' :). They all know nothing serious begins until we ascertain patent status. Thanks to Darrin (I'm uploading a four-pack of Guinness to you, mate), I now have a good place to start with the patents. I've already sent Darrin's info to my attorney who has a good patent attorney on his staff. Sometime next week, he will be in contact with the appropriate folks at H-S regarding the disposition of the patents and how many are involved. Best case scenario, but very unlikely, is the purchase of the patents. Far more possible, is a license arrangement of some type. If neither of these options work out, enough has been learned from my associates that we can produce replacement tonewheels, gears and coils VERY inexpensively. So we'll go into the parts business! Hehe. Since I've met all you lot, my Hammond work has increased dramatically and I haven't even advertised. Rather than work on whole organs (none around here), I get sent a steady stream of amps and TWGs for reconditioning. So any parts I create will be used well. No fear, mates. More fun to come! Raul From: "tonewheeldude" <darren@...> _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tonewheel generators
Laddie Williams
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I have an A-100 and I don't think I hear any key click at all. Of course, being 68, my hearing is not what it used to be, but the organ has been in the family since it was new and I don't recall any "key click" from my better hearing days. We do not have a Leslie on the A-100. Would that make the difference? Laddie ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Clifton To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tonewheel generators Would not such a device use some sort of solid state keying between the TG and the AO-28? I guess if you wanted it to really sound like a B3 you could use 61 9 pole relays for keying. I can't see that solid state, computer (MIDI) controlled keying would sound the same as key contacts, no key click for starters! Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bell" <worthogis@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tonewheel generators > There is a company doing just that, putting a T.G. and an AO-28 in a box > that hooks up to a midi keybosrd. I can't remember who the are. > > Cheers > Ronnie B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jens Aage Andersen" < > > , build a > > "black box B3" with the TG and a replica > > AO28, and make it MIDI controlled. > > Priced around 2000$ it will kill all > > clones on the market. > > > > > > > > Jens Aage Andersen > > Denmark > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
Laddie Williams
Ron,
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Would you admit to being cheap? With all the comments, I am finding two schools of thought on this and cannot disagree with either one. All of you make you arguments on good reasoning. Laddie ----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Bell To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob I am a true Hammond collector, I have collected 10 Hammonds over the last few years. So speaking as a collector, I would not pay more than 5,000. The reason for this is ALL hammond collectors are bargain hunters a.k.a. CHEAP!!!! Haha, In all honesty i think 15,000 is even a little over the top, but an acceptable asking price. What the owner should do is ask for offers and see if he gets what he wants, maybe some sort of an auction. Hell put it on Ebay and watch the insanity unfold. Cheers, Ronnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laddie Williams" <laddieray@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob , I told him I would not sell it for less than $50,000.00 That a true collector would pay that figure.. the problem would be to locate the true collector. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
Laddie Williams
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Does you source know where the 25 are... all in one location?.. ----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Bell To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob Acording to a reliable resource about 25 B-3's that he knows of. Ronnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Clifton" < > Just how rare is a 30 year old Hammond still in the packing crate? > > > Chris Clifton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] 760 Distorting......help please!
Chris Clifton
Kevin,
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If you've already tried swapping with known good crossover and amplifier, there's not much else to try. Can you get the treble driver from the good 760? Or possibly easier, try your back panel in the good Leslie. There's nothing in the power supply to muffle or distort the sound. The sound from your organ is OK? Just trying to cover all the possibilities. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: <Kev@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: Re: RE: [hammond_zone] 760 Distorting......help please! solution first if I could!!!!!! in ButLeeds. He has been rebuilding Hammonds for longer than I can remember. myit sounds to me like driver problems. 760,760! isbut to no avail....the sound remains muffled/distorted. blown!!??
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What t402 I thinks of it :) +email
t402...doesn't pull any punches..heh.
Its kind of irrelivent though, the original patents still stand. Maybe it would be better to buy up the generators that are still around, strip and rebuild those (a recon exchange maybe, that way your always sure of stock), plus you dont have to worry about getting a thrashing in the courts. T402 is right about copies...I think that most would rather have a fully reconditioned Hammond TG than a copy...if they want a copy they could buy a new B3. One thing though...its great to see so many teaming up like this; Raul has obviously done a lot of work on the project already, but I realy feel that efforts would be wiser spent concentrating on the TG's that are already out there. Starting small and having just a couple in stock that are recon'd. I doubt there would be a problem remanufacturing seperate parts, but out of courtesy I would still want to get written permission from Hammond; with over 500 of us on this list there is bound to be one or two that would be likely customers! The hammondzone email has ground to a halt as I am still having major ISP problems, I can access only about 10% of the net. I posted the patent message 24 hours ago, and it only just appeared 4 hours ago!! As soon as I can get ISP problems resolved the hammondzone email will be up and running, as it is, Bigmailbox time out from here. Darren |
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Re: [hammond_zone] 760 Distorting......help please!
Thanks Daz.........I know Paul, but was hoping to try out an INexpensive solution first if I could!!!!!!
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Re: [hammond_zone] Screw
Nick Renich
Hey Daz I did my adjustment yesterday and i can't believe the increase in
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both volume and distortion. And you are correct with regard to the registrations. I normally use 888800000 and this is heaven. Cut back to 666600000 and it's clean for a Whiter Shade Of Pale cleaner sound, but still bloody loud. ----- Original Message -----
From: "daz" <daz395@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:05 AM Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] Screw Hi Bob,excellent results. I was shown this procedure by a friend of mine who hired his C-3so much he wanted to buy it, Dave said NO WAY! She is my baby.NO MORE THAN ONE TURN. The organ should now be getting louder but not yetstarts. turn more than the point where it starts to distort.of the drivers.then be very clean sound but still very loud.No need for add-ons.pedal control arm. Simply loosen the screw and use a small screwdriver to turnhave just created! |
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For Sale in New England,USA
hpage3
Hammond B3 with 122 both touring chops, very dependable,must pick up
$2500.firm. featured on the television show "Chronicle" and a Hammond B-200 combo organ best offer with Leslie H/L 822 speaker. Very clean best offer. I have to downsize,no more room. In New Hampshire,one hour north of Boston right off I-95 (Seabrook) 603-396- 6130. Thanks Howard |
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Re: valves
t402_owner
Small signal valves (eg preamps, local oscs, IF's and such) they just
keep on going on and on and on... I even came across the situation whereby replacing the original with a NOS made things a tad worse... Just leave them there... My humblest 2p that is t402 --- In hammond_zone@y..., "daz" <daz395@s...> wrote: Who told you that valves have to be replaced every 2-3 years? Thisis b**l*h*t!!store of over 30,000 valves, he re-furbishes old valve radios and said thathe has only used a handful of his valves as they tend to lastindefinitely. The store, which is very rarely used contains almost every valve evermade! I watched with baited breath with pen and paper ready to the end ofthe show and he wasn't even in the credits!! So there is a veryknowledgeable guy out there with an indefinite supply of valves that I can't find! Ihave phoned up Sky TV and they can't give out personal information. Didanyone else see it, it was about inventions on the Discovery channel.They were making a crystal set, and this guy was demonstrating old radios.the age determinationlist is was able to find out that the organ as well asall the tubes were manufactured in 1971. All the tubes are original. Thismeans they are +30 years old. I've always herd that valves need to be replacedabout every 2-3v years. So maybe this will be a good moment to change myvalves! But will the sound differ from the current sound(How?) And whichtubes MUST be replaced and which NOT necesserily?them!
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What I think of it WAS Re: Tonewheel generators
t402_owner
TWIMC and FWIW here's my upfront views on this matter. I'll then shut
up. I can't help associating this with Jurassic Park. Some things are simply better left alone. The tonewheel was discontinued almost 30 years ago - just leave it that way. It's a piece of History which is gone and we are still sort of selfdelusional about it. It's over, people - just take good care of what is left about. I'd take it even further: Those who own a piece of indeed a glorious past have the obligation to honour and preserve it - not replicate thus bastardizing the original concept. I fear this would incur to certain trends that would most likely dim the aura and mystique that the real thing still upholds. I'm not finished yet, read on... --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Jens Aage Andersen" <jens.a.andersen@e...> wrote: It seems that Raul is going to do it,No not at all... Furthermore I see all sorts of improvements and people discussing new materials blahdeeblah, things that simply werent there half a century ago - I mean, make the thing far too perfect, fire it up and heck the bloody thing sounds er... digital???!!! Moreover we are talking of a design that stood the test of time, both feet on the ground come rain or shine! It does NOT need any bleedin' improvements! Wanna make the TWG? Well OK make it then BUT dont change a thing in it! Stick to the original concept down to the tiniest, most insignificant washer! To make a TG, just as a "ad on" to theHardly a business at all but that's probably not the issue here... so to finance the project, build aHere's how I see it. a) Given the choice of Raul's product against a vintage console sensibly set at the same price, I'd choose the vintage console. b) The pro's would definitely b.1) the wealthy would have his roadies haul the B3 around so why should they care? b.2) the others would definitely prefer an ultralight midi-ed XB2 they could happily carry under his arm. c) Would I buy a brand spanking XB3, have it stripped from all its guts (therefore voiding its warranty) to install a new generation TWG still lacking maturity? No. Talk value for money? Nord Electro then. That's what I think - which doenst mean I truly wish Raul & partners the Best of Luck. Cheers t402 |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tonewheel generators
Chris Clifton
Would not such a device use some sort of solid state keying between the TG
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and the AO-28? I guess if you wanted it to really sound like a B3 you could use 61 9 pole relays for keying. I can't see that solid state, computer (MIDI) controlled keying would sound the same as key contacts, no key click for starters! Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Bell" <worthogis@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tonewheel generators There is a company doing just that, putting a T.G. and an AO-28 in a box --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 |
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Re: [hammond_zone] hooking up the Leslie 147
Chris Clifton
You holding out 'til he offers you some REAL money?
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Seriously though you can't put a $'s and cents or even a ???'s and pennies price on these organs. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] hooking up the Leslie 147 well Gandert,cabinets, and Leslie 147. Naturally, I refused.......
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: valves
Chris Clifton
Good point Ronnie,
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Reminds me of an E-100 I saw a few years ago. The Chapel was only used every other Sunday and someone forgot to turn it off after the service! Two weeks later the mains transformer was toast and the rectifier valve (a GZ34 in this case) had become so hot at one point that the glass envelope had softened and had a distinct bulge in one side! Fuses were rarely fitted as standard in the older organs, if you make no other mods. a fuse or fuses to protect the mains transformers is definitely a good idea! Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: "ronbell145" <worthogis@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:57 AM Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: valves
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Re: valves
t402_owner
I always put a 1N5408 in series with the recto's anodes, just in case.
Cheers t402 --- In hammond_zone@y..., "ronbell145" <worthogis@s...> wrote: but a few people swear by changimg it anually. |
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