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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...

Chris Clifton
 

Ronnie,
Hear! hear!
If it's only worth big bucks as long as it stays in the box, what's the
point? Reminds me of the stories of rare vintage wine bottles, sell for
1,000's in any currency, no one knows if the contents are fine wine or very
expensive vinegar!!!!

From the Weyr and from the Bowl,
Bronze and brown and blue and green,
Rise the dragonmen of Pern,
Aloft on wing, seen, then unseen.

Chris 50 & Laura 17, Sam(uel)15 and Emily 11 in Llanelli

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Bell" <worthogis@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


I have read about new B-3's in the box a few times.
One was a 1974 B-3, the asking price was $50,000 US.
A few things to think about, if you take it out of the box it is now just
another B-3. Is the generator gonna spin freely, maybe, maybe not. The
elctolytic caps and filter caps will be as good as any old caps and will
need to be replaced if you want a brand new "sounding" organ resulting in
a
non-stock B-3. I have also read there are 25 B-3's in the box tucked away.
The only way this organ will be worth anything is if it stays in its box,
so who the hell would want a box of organ???? Not I. It is a shame to make
a
big deal out of an organ that is still in its box, open it up, tune it up
and let 'er rip!!!!!
Cheers,
Ronnie

----- Original Message -----
From: "I.H. Smith" <ugieside@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


I read it and loved it-- as a reformed baseball card collector, I know
what
"mint condition in the box" can mean...priceless; but in reality, you
have
to find the buyer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laddie Williams" <laddieray@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:31 AM
Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


I got no response from any zoners about the B3 in the original box.
Maybe
you did not see the question? I asked what the group thought it was
worth
and gave the serial number. It is true that the factory carton has never
been opened...correction, it was opened just enough to make sure the box
was
not filled with concrete blocks. Prior to recently, it has not been for
sale, but now it is. I have been asked by the owner to inquire of all
you
experts.. .what you reasonably think he should ask and/or what is the
most
he can reasonably expect to get. Please advise.

Laddie
----- Original Message -----
From: kcbass1
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:58 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob


I understand the Hamm rep being rude a little bit, when people
ask
about my ex wife(B3), I get a little offended because I have a new
wife(New B3). I`m just hoping he was referring "people like you" to
mean hobbyist as opposed to being a institution. I think it`s us
hobbyist that keeping interest in the darn thing alive. Hammond-
Suzuki better wake up and smell the latte`. Don`t they know I would
do just about anything for a one hundred pound B3 with tonewheels
and
tubes? Casey






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> Hey Casey,
> Don't hold your breath for those tone wheels. The rep at
NAMM was down
> right rude when I jokingly asked about bringing back the tone
wheels and
> tubes. Made some comment to the effect, "If we did, how would
people like you
> be able to afford them?" Great PR! OHF Bob
>
>
>


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Re: [hammond_zone] Leslie 122 won't slow down

Chris Clifton
 

Nick,
Check the 12AU7/ECC82 valve on the Leslie amp chassis. There are two, the
one next to the volume control is part of the amplifier circuit, the other
one controls the speed switching. If the valve is faulty or loose in it's
socket the Leslie will run on fast. Another possible fault is if one of the
suppressor capacitors across the relay contacts has shorted.


When acting on technical advice given in the Hammond zone, by me or anyone
else, please remember that there is high voltage electricity inside Hammond
organs and Leslie speakers. It is not just the AC line voltage, valve
(tube) equipment uses high DC voltages which may remain for sometime after
switching off.
Take care and enjoy your Hammond for many years.

Chris Clifton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Renich" <nrenich@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 6:06 AM
Subject: [hammond_zone] Leslie 122 won't slow down


G'day from Australia everybody . I arked up my gear today ( C3 / 122 ) and
the Leslie won't slow down. It has fast only. My half moon switches are
obliterated by a doorway, but hopefully there is another way to get slow
speed for now until i can get new switches or fit a push-down button which i
would prefer anyway. Any ideas PLEASE? I like fast Leslie , but not all the
time. I play like Jon Lord so need the slow very badly.By the way I played
around with the control on the expression pedal control today. I thought i
had growl before, but this is insane - and i got the info thru' the zone.
Thanks everybody. This distortion is amazing. I've had the C3 for 30 years
and was not aware of that little screw in the volume setup.






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tonewheel resurrection update

Raul de Jalapeno
 

Alright boys and girls. Thought you'd like an update from your happy tonewheel man.

Review of TWG restoration project:
Purpose: To have fun and reproduce the very heart around which a tonewheel organ is built. This will not be a money-making monster, I'm fairly certain, but it can be made to at least break even. I do not have a skewed view of what the market is for this thing, so I'm not expecting the door to be blown down with sales. Hence the heavy reliance on those whose aquaintances I've made over the years to donate their time or provide services at a reduced cost. Calling in favors hasn't hurt either. The whole purpose is to "keep 'em spinnin'". While I'm not hurrying this, I'm amazed at what has been accomplished so far.

What we have:
As I bring new folks with skills on line, I'm organizing and delegating tasks. These folks are working on their respective issues as they get time and means. Here's what's lined up so far:

1) Generating coils and filter transformers to be reproduced by the folks who build the transformers for my amps. A side note on this: I am going to work with these folks to provide exact replacement and upgade transformers for our Hammonds and Leslies at a reasonable price. Stay tuned for more on this.
2) I have contacted my former mentor's family in Pittsburgh and all the TWG jigs and repair tools I used 25 years ago are on the way to me. These were donated to the cause.
3) My pattern maker friend is ready to set up his CAD program for multiple drilling of end plates, etc. This guy's a jazz nut, loves Smith and DeFrancesco. Doneted all the R & D time.
4) Another jazz nut in Albuquerque will do the laser cutting of all tonewheels, gears, etc. He is also a friend of the patternmaker, so they've already sat down to a strategy meeting. He, too, is donating his R & D time.
5) Self-starting syncronous motors at a variety of RPMs for both the US and UK market have been sourced. Later on we'll see what's the best fit. All of us have agreed that this would be the best way to go, as opposed to fitting seperate start and run motors. However, the pattern maker suggested that we leave the original Hammond mount pattern in place for both motors, the idea being that we could offer the TWG without motors/scanner for those who have good ones.
6) I've initiated a patent search to see what the current status of the TWG patent(s) is/are at present, but I haven't made much progress, as I'm not very good at this. The thing is, it's important to ascertain the staus of the patents before too much effort is put into this. Moving this up to the front burner. Anyone have any ideas as to how to be sure the TWG patents are dead?

Now, zoners, what all my folks are yelling for now is a defunct TWG to disect. Do any of you have a dead TWG laying around you'd like to donate to the cause? Email me if you do. It does NOT have to work.

Regular updates of this project will be forwarded to the Zone.

Raul


Re: [hammond_zone] re-voicing my G-100

Chris Clifton
 

Carlo,
Presets on the other console models are set by connecting a load of wires
corresponding to the drawbars to a set of 9 connecting bars 0-8
corresponding to the drawbar positions. Your G-100 presumably uses a
similar system, changing voices is simply a matter of unscrewing wires from
one set of terminals and moving them. You do need to know which wires and
to where though! The voices on your G-100 will be in effect prewired
drawbar registrations just like any other Hammond.


Chris Clifton

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@...>
To: "Hammond Zone" <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:00 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] re-voicing my G-100


my technician said there's a way he can take the "Trompette 8" in the
pedal division, and bring it down an octave, to get the "Bombarde 16" found
on other models. Actually, he also said he can bring it down 2 octaves if I
want it at 32-foot pitch. I know nothing about how this organ works. How is
it possible to change the pitch of a stop like that?

carlo






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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...

Raul de Jalapeno
 

I'm with you guys. The best meuseam pieces are those that can be operated and exercised.

Raul

----- Original Message -----
From: Laddie Williams
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


Good point Ron.. I tend to agree... I still would not part with it for less than $50,000, but I would open the box at the new owners place and have a tech there to restore or rebuild as necessary.

Laddie
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Bell
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


I have read about new B-3's in the box a few times.
One was a 1974 B-3, the asking price was $50,000 US.
A few things to think about, if you take it out of the box it is now just
another B-3. Is the generator gonna spin freely, maybe, maybe not. The
elctolytic caps and filter caps will be as good as any old caps and will
need to be replaced if you want a brand new "sounding" organ resulting in a
non-stock B-3. I have also read there are 25 B-3's in the box tucked away.
The only way this organ will be worth anything is if it stays in its box,
so who the hell would want a box of organ???? Not I. It is a shame to make a
big deal out of an organ that is still in its box, open it up, tune it up
and let 'er rip!!!!!
Cheers,
Ronnie

----- Original Message -----
From: "I.H. Smith" <ugieside@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


> I read it and loved it-- as a reformed baseball card collector, I know
what
> "mint condition in the box" can mean...priceless; but in reality, you have
> to find the buyer.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laddie Williams" <laddieray@...>
> To: <hammond_zone@...>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:31 AM
> Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...
>
>
> > I got no response from any zoners about the B3 in the original box.
Maybe
> you did not see the question? I asked what the group thought it was worth
> and gave the serial number. It is true that the factory carton has never
> been opened...correction, it was opened just enough to make sure the box
was
> not filled with concrete blocks. Prior to recently, it has not been for
> sale, but now it is. I have been asked by the owner to inquire of all you
> experts.. .what you reasonably think he should ask and/or what is the most
> he can reasonably expect to get. Please advise.
> >
> > Laddie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kcbass1
> > To: hammond_zone@...
> > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:58 PM
> > Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
> >
> >
> > I understand the Hamm rep being rude a little bit, when people ask
> > about my ex wife(B3), I get a little offended because I have a new
> > wife(New B3). I`m just hoping he was referring "people like you" to
> > mean hobbyist as opposed to being a institution. I think it`s us
> > hobbyist that keeping interest in the darn thing alive. Hammond-
> > Suzuki better wake up and smell the latte`. Don`t they know I would
> > do just about anything for a one hundred pound B3 with tonewheels and
> > tubes? Casey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In hammond_zone@y..., zakemo@A... wrote:
> > > Hey Casey,
> > > Don't hold your breath for those tone wheels. The rep at
> > NAMM was down
> > > right rude when I jokingly asked about bringing back the tone
> > wheels and
> > > tubes. Made some comment to the effect, "If we did, how would
> > people like you
> > > be able to afford them?" Great PR! OHF Bob
> > >
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Re: [hammond_zone] free leslie

Carlo Pietroniro
 

check your mail..........I posted that I now know what model it is


Re: [hammond_zone] New member needs help

Raul de Jalapeno
 

Well, now. Lyle's on board...add him to the "master manipulator" list. The only problem with Yahoo is that the Zone does not benefit from two 6SN7 push-pull class A triodes in they're portal like my CV does. The still use those "processing unit" things.

Raul

----- Original Message -----
From: felix-at-home@...
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:30 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] New member needs help


Dear Hammond Zoners,

I am a fairly new member (about 2 weeks) and I have tried to log into the
site at Yahoo without any results. When I signed up, there was a note on
the page that I would need to verify my e-mail address with a code which
I never received in my confirmation from Yahoo. Can anyone guide me on
what to do to get that confirmation code or any other way to sign in?

I am a Hammond Master Tech and I have been reading, with great interest,
all the messages about again building the old tonewheel generators. I
have always wanted to do something like that or come up with a way to
faithfully duplicate the original electronically. As I have thought
about such a task, I have developed ideas that would be very effective
without sacrificing the original sound. My ideas have been in all areas
of the organ other than the tone generator. I would be interested in any
efforts to reproduce the old tonewheel organs and I would like to be
involved in such a venture.

As far as my qualifications for such a project, I worked closely with the
gentleman at Hammond who was the head of the service department and I
believe he was also involved in product development at one time. Over my
years of working on Hammonds, I developed methods of service and found
ways to rebuild and improve the products. I was often asked by him and
others at Hammond for input as to what I was doing along those lines.
Several things that I was doing or methods that I developed were
incorporated into Hammonds methods and service notes. This is not to
brag but only to state that Hammond Organ Company apparently valued my
capabilities and I was honored to be asked to contribute to such a great
instrument.

Sincerely,
Lyle
Hammond Master Tech





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Re: [hammond_zone] free leslie

David Hagler
 

--- Carlo Pietroniro <organist@...> wrote:
I have no idea what model it is though. Where do I look?
Carlo,
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[hammond_zone] Cleaning nicotine off of your Hammond

 

Hi Mike and Audrey,

This is how I clean all the organs that I rework.

I mix 2 tablespoons of ammonia to a quart of water and I spray it right
onto the finish or keys, being very careful not to spray it on any
lettering on tabs, switches, presets or name plates. I spray a light
layer of this mixture on an area of the organ that is all at the same
level (the top is at the same level as is the back, an end panel or one
manual). This way, you will be working one small area at a time. Use a
fine mist sprayer and let it sit about a minute. Then wipe it off with a
clean terry cloth rag, wiping the wood with the grain from the center of
the panel to the end of it and the keys along their length. I repeat
this process several times reusing a different area of the same cloth
until it gets soiled. When you can repeat this process and the rag
doesn't pickup more dirt, then spray and wipe again using a clean cloth.
After you have done this process over the entire organ, you will have
several dirty rags and at least one rather damp but clean rag. You can
use the clean damp rag or moisten a clean rag to wipe the areas that you
did not spray directly. If you put the dirty rags in the washing machine
while they are still wet, they will clean up very easily due to the
ammonia in them.

One word of caution; be very careful not to catch any loose corners of
the cabinet veneer with the rag or you could break it off. If you
inspect the cabinet closely before you clean it, you should be able to
find any areas where the glue has let loose. You can then glue it with
Elmers Carpenters Glue by carefully working a small amount under the
veneer with the wide end of a flat toothpick or a small strip of heavy
paper. Wipe any excess glue off with a water dampened rag and use a
strip of Scotch Tape to clamp it down over night. Fold one end of the
tape under to form a tag end to aid in removal and apply the tape with
the tag end on the loose piece of veneer, or, so you will remove it
without pulling at your repair. Use your thumb to press the veneer in
place as you apply the tape tightly around the corner to hold it firmly.
When you press on it, you will know if you need to remove any more excess
glue.

Tapping on the veneer near any cabinet corners with the flat of a
fingernail will help to reveal any loose areas that can't be seen.

Hope this helps and if you have any questions, e-mail me direct.

On the subject of the B3 in a box. I believe that any B3 in the factory
container isn't worth much more than what any reputable restorer would
charge for a rebuilt B3 in it's original but refinished cabinet. The
only reason anyone would want to pay more is because they had more money
than they knew what to do with.

On top of that, who would cover any warranty work that would be needed,
qualified techs aren't cheap but they are worth it. I worked on enough
new B3's and others to know that there could be warranty issues. And, I
wouldn't want to take the responsibility of powering it up without
assurance that a tech had fully serviced it and burned it in properly.
If not done so, it could blow electrolytics (they tend to dry out and
lose their ability to take full charge after sitting for that long) or a
bearing in the generator could be damaged due to being dried out.

Yes, it would be nice to be able to buy a brand new B3 today but the
reality is that they are an investment that could have inflated only if
the music taste of today's twenty to forty year old crowd hadn't changed
so drastically. If they had been brought up on music that featured B3s
or other Hammonds, they would have craved the sound as we all do. I'm
sure there are some twenty to forty year olds in the group that
appreciate the real Hammond sound, but, you are a very very small
minority. And, it takes a rather large majority to make something a
valuable classic in the minds of most people. I know, I also own
collector cars from the 60's and they were hot for a time but only the
very rich could afford the parts that were still available. In addition,
because so many people were and are still enjoying those cars, there is a
market for reproduction parts and restoring of original parts. There
will have to be many times the present number of Hammond buffs to make up
that kind of market.

Enough pulpit work. But I would like to sum it all up by saying that the
sound is making it's way back through oldies stations, the movies and
much of today's hits and Christian music. I hear it more in the past
five to seven years than I did during the 80's and first half of the
90's. If the trend continues, a market for restoration parts and the
original organs (and any new productions of the original tonewheel
generator) will develop and it most likely will be very solid.

Lyle,
Hammond Master Tech



On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:19:09 -0800 "mike & audrey" <AUDMIKE@...>
writes:
I asked what the group thought(a)B3 in the original box was worth...
laddie, i did not see the original post so i don't know the ser# and
date. i
recently bought a b3/pr40 in as near mint as possible, all tubes
original
hammond. it was delivered on jan 14, 1964 and never serviced,
although it
was protected with a layer of nicotine i am still trying to remove
(any
suggestions from the zone would be appreciated). i paid within 10%
of the
original invoice (3K) and wouldn't sell it for twice that...tg coast
time is
22 seconds!!! your a minimum of 5k up to 10k to the right person.
but do
yourself a favor, make a deal and get it for yourself (and save the
original
box!). these things have last for 30+ years and you haven't started
the
clock yet. mike

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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tonewheel generators

Raul de Jalapeno
 

Hey old guy,
Those are good points. I, myself, have no objection to using some modern tech in our quest for the reproducable TWG. As regards aluminum in the dividers, I wonder what effect that change would have on the sorrunding magnetic fields of all of those tonewheels, being that aluminum is non-magnetic and steel would shield each "compartment" magnetcally from it's neighboor. One of the reasons I specify steel over aluminum in my amp chassis is this shielding effect. Another thought for the TWG resurrection database.

Raul

----- Original Message -----
From: G6019LPOP@...
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Tonewheel generators


Hey Raul!
Nice to see another machinist plays a Hammond and has an interest in
redoing
the old beasts.Jeff's got a point about laser cutting some of the parts.Ihave
to correct myself, the wheels were indeed stamped,they did a really fine job
of cleaning the
shear marks from the periphery of them.I wonder if Aluminum would work for
the dividers instead of steel?It would be lighter and abit easier to work
with don't you
think?Wouldn't rust either.


Yours,
The Old Guy


Leslie 122 won't slow down

Nick Renich
 

G'day from Australia everybody . I arked up my gear today ( C3 / 122 ) and the Leslie won't slow down. It has fast only. My half moon switches are obliterated by a doorway, but hopefully there is another way to get slow speed for now until i can get new switches or fit a push-down button which i would prefer anyway. Any ideas PLEASE? I like fast Leslie , but not all the time. I play like Jon Lord so need the slow very badly.By the way I played around with the control on the expression pedal control today. I thought i had growl before, but this is insane - and i got the info thru' the zone. Thanks everybody. This distortion is amazing. I've had the C3 for 30 years and was not aware of that little screw in the volume setup.


Re: [hammond_zone] tremulant speed

Earthlink-fyrefyter
 

Since the trem generator, (the scanner), is running off the generator, the
answer is no.

Bill Ziegler
Datasounds, Inc.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@...>
To: "Hammond Zone" <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:02 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] tremulant speed


my G-100 has a 'tremulant' tab for each of the manuals, and it's a very
slight tremolo, just like a pipe organ. Hypothetically speaking of course,
is it possible to change the speed?

carlo






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Re: [hammond_zone] Mylar Cap business

 

In a message dated 3/5/2002 10:52:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brotherbrianwilliams@... writes:

I have a 1956 B3. I know it has the old wax paper capacitors and it sounds
really good. I was wondering if putting mylar caps would make it sound
better. If if it would make it sound new and cleaner then how much would
it
cost to have this done??? How big of a surgery is this?? WHo might be
qualified to do it??? I am 19, an engineering major in college, and very
limited in my knowledge of electronics.
Magnus Enorson (who regularly hangs out on hammond@... mailing list) and
others have consistently said that before you re-cap a TWG, you consider
these actions:

- replace (as necessary) the 117vac wiring
- re-cap the preamp (power caps and wax caps, my next project)
- while you're at it, check resistance on all resistors in the preamp,
replace the ones that are damaged or too far out of tolerance (I would say
within 10% is ok)
- re-cap the vibrato line (this makes a surprising bit of difference, I'm
going to re-cap the A-100 vibrato at my church in the near future).

You'll need to learn to read a schematic, and learn how to solder. Get
someone to help you or show you how. If I remember right, you're somewhere
near Akron OH, I'm an hour east of there, and willing to help.

All of those are relatively simple, compared to recapping a TWG. The vibrato
line in particular is time-consuming but not difficult. The skills you'd
learn there - soldering and working with point-to-point wiring - will serve
you well if you want to do the TWG down the road. These actions are also
consided to guarantee an improvement in the organ sound, where opinions on
re-capping the TWG are "more diverse".

You'll need a (among other things) a decent but not real expensive ohmmeter,
a soldering iron, wire cutters, needle-nose pliers and hand tools to remove
the preamp. It also helps to use masking tape to make "flags" to attach to
wires ie - "G terminal in middle". You may also need access to an electronics
store with a broader stock than the typical Radio Shack carries. I
fortunately have 2 local stores like this, or you can contact Mauser, for
example.

On the web there's a list of parts for a full preamp rebuild at


Doug


Re: [hammond_zone] free leslie

Carlo Pietroniro
 

it came with all he cables, as well as the 2 half-moon switches


Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...

Laddie Williams
 

yup!!

----- Original Message -----
From: zakemo@...
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


I'll give ya $50.00 for it. You keep the box. OHF Bob





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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...

Laddie Williams
 

Good point Ron.. I tend to agree... I still would not part with it for less than $50,000, but I would open the box at the new owners place and have a tech there to restore or rebuild as necessary.

Laddie

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Bell
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


I have read about new B-3's in the box a few times.
One was a 1974 B-3, the asking price was $50,000 US.
A few things to think about, if you take it out of the box it is now just
another B-3. Is the generator gonna spin freely, maybe, maybe not. The
elctolytic caps and filter caps will be as good as any old caps and will
need to be replaced if you want a brand new "sounding" organ resulting in a
non-stock B-3. I have also read there are 25 B-3's in the box tucked away.
The only way this organ will be worth anything is if it stays in its box,
so who the hell would want a box of organ???? Not I. It is a shame to make a
big deal out of an organ that is still in its box, open it up, tune it up
and let 'er rip!!!!!
Cheers,
Ronnie

----- Original Message -----
From: "I.H. Smith" <ugieside@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


> I read it and loved it-- as a reformed baseball card collector, I know
what
> "mint condition in the box" can mean...priceless; but in reality, you have
> to find the buyer.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laddie Williams" <laddieray@...>
> To: <hammond_zone@...>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:31 AM
> Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...
>
>
> > I got no response from any zoners about the B3 in the original box.
Maybe
> you did not see the question? I asked what the group thought it was worth
> and gave the serial number. It is true that the factory carton has never
> been opened...correction, it was opened just enough to make sure the box
was
> not filled with concrete blocks. Prior to recently, it has not been for
> sale, but now it is. I have been asked by the owner to inquire of all you
> experts.. .what you reasonably think he should ask and/or what is the most
> he can reasonably expect to get. Please advise.
> >
> > Laddie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kcbass1
> > To: hammond_zone@...
> > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:58 PM
> > Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
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> > I understand the Hamm rep being rude a little bit, when people ask
> > about my ex wife(B3), I get a little offended because I have a new
> > wife(New B3). I`m just hoping he was referring "people like you" to
> > mean hobbyist as opposed to being a institution. I think it`s us
> > hobbyist that keeping interest in the darn thing alive. Hammond-
> > Suzuki better wake up and smell the latte`. Don`t they know I would
> > do just about anything for a one hundred pound B3 with tonewheels and
> > tubes? Casey
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> > --- In hammond_zone@y..., zakemo@A... wrote:
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> > > Don't hold your breath for those tone wheels. The rep at
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> > > right rude when I jokingly asked about bringing back the tone
> > wheels and
> > > tubes. Made some comment to the effect, "If we did, how would
> > people like you
> > > be able to afford them?" Great PR! OHF Bob
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...

Laddie Williams
 

You stole it... have a ball..

Laddie

----- Original Message -----
From: "mike & audrey" <AUDMIKE@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: A B3 in the Original Factory container...


I asked what the group thought(a)B3 in the original box was worth...
laddie, i did not see the original post so i don't know the ser# and date.
i
recently bought a b3/pr40 in as near mint as possible, all tubes original
hammond. it was delivered on jan 14, 1964 and never serviced, although it
was protected with a layer of nicotine i am still trying to remove (any
suggestions from the zone would be appreciated). i paid within 10% of the
original invoice (3K) and wouldn't sell it for twice that...tg coast time
is
22 seconds!!! your a minimum of 5k up to 10k to the right person. but do
yourself a favor, make a deal and get it for yourself (and save the
original
box!). these things have last for 30+ years and you haven't started the
clock yet. mike

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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob

Laddie Williams
 

Yes, KEI has it... it is no secret. The box is there for viewing right in the store. As I said, he (Jim) is moving and would now like to sell it, but for the best possible price. He asked me about price and I told him, and also told him I would try to get an average figure. I find it intersting with all our proximity, that no one will venture a figure. For something for you all to jump on, I told him I would not sell it for less than $50,000.00 That a true collector would pay that figure.. the problem would be to locate the true collector. I also told him that he would have to send a tech with it to unpack it and carefully check it out..add gradual power, look for smoke, etc. But, for that kind of money he could afford to do that. Two other people have told me my figure is too low and it could go for $100,000.00 Now what do you think???

----- Original Message -----
From: Eddie Davis
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob


Jeff,

If I'm not mistaken, Keyboard Exhange International has the B3 in question. It is a new in the box 1974 model. Check out their web-site at www.b3world.com They are located in Orlando. They show a picture of the crate with three boxes (B3,bench,pedals)...FYI..Eddie

----- Original Message -----
From: jlc7184@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:28 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob

No,are you kidding.How rare would that be if this is true.I'd say name your
price.Some high dollart collector would snap it up.Certainly not me
though.But i'd like to look at it just to say "I saw brand new 1973 B3".

This is a pretty amazing find. !!!!!!!!!

jeff






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Re: [hammond_zone] leslie 251

Laddie Williams
 

Which one ?

----- Original Message -----
From: jlc7184@...
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] leslie 251


Chris,

That sounds like one great leslie.I saw one on ebay.To bad i have a leslie
already or i'd by that one.

Jeff





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Re: [hammond_zone] free leslie

Laddie Williams
 

Carlo, you lucky rascal...try..

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlo Pietroniro
To: Hammond Zone
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:58 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] free leslie


someone gave me a Leslie tonight.....free!!! They've had it in their garage for a few years, and they wanted to get rid of it. He gave it to me because I'm the only one they know who has an organ. I have no idea what model it is though. Where do I look?

carlo





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