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-----Original Message-----
From: t402_owner [mailto:t402_owner@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:29 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Tonewheel generators


Bloody hell! Are you serious???

--- In hammond_zone@y..., "Raul de Jalapeno" <raul_de_jalapeno@h...>
wrote:
(snip)

What I want to do is reproduce the entire tonewheel generator from

start motor to scanner.

(snip)

I remember reading years ago in the Hamtech list someone saying he
bought the original mold machinery for keys or drawbars... cant
remember exactly what but it had to do with Hammonds and molds LOL.
I'm no longer in the list of but might be worth one of you Hamtech
members to ask around...

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Oh yeh! Molds for keys, Drawbar knobs, Vibrato knobs, Vibrato

Scanner pieces

would be nice, huh?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Raul de Jalapeno [mailto:raul_de_jalapeno@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:54 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators


I love you guys!!! What would a guy do without all of ya? I love
ya!! Now, get this clear.....I'm not going to reproduce an organ.
All you who know me know I'm an electronics guy. I live, breathe
and eat vacuum tubes and high voltage. You guys ever see
Forbidden Planet? Remember the ID monster? That's me when my
mercury-vapor rectifiers are really cookin'! If it wasn't for you
guys, I wouldn't even know what to polish my CV with, much less
make a cabinet! No, siree, me no make whole organ. What I want to
do is reproduce the entire tonewheel generator from start motor
to scanner. That's why I want to learn what tooling they used to
make the parts with. Did they die stamp the wheels? The gears?
Did they farm that part out to a sub-contractor? I dont know.
Here's what I do know: I intend to see if the patent is still
live on this thing. If not, I intend to figure out how to make
TGs without emptying a soul's pocketbook. I've already spoken
with my transformer vendor. He took one look at the specs and said: "Ah

Raul
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey
To: hammond_zone@...
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob


Hey Raul!

If we find anything still alive around Chicago, I can go pick it up. I'm
only a few hours away.

As far as tooling, what would there have really been? Are Tonewheels
die-stamped? I haven't seen one out of its TG in so long I
don't remember.
There were probably stamping and forming dies for the TG and Pre-Amp
chassis', but that's not really required. Maybe lathe patterns
for legs and
cabinet-piece templates, too. If we do a custom cabinet, we
wouldn't need
those.

I don't think we want to repro the entire line, just B-3's, right? Well,
maybe ALL the TG's used from about '34-'74, AO-28's, AO-15331's.

Oh yeh! Molds for keys, Drawbar knobs, Vibrato knobs, Vibrato
Scanner pieces
would be nice, huh?

Hmmmmmm...
BCV-Ken







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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Clifton [mailto:chris@...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:40 AM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] switch question


They all run at 1500 rpm in 50 cycle areas. Technically the synchronous
motor system has the edge. The synchronous motor with the
separate starter
motor is guaranteed by the laws of Electro magnetics to run in step,
synchronised, with the AC mains supply, so the tuning depends only on how
accurately your power company maintains 50 or 60 cycles. The induction
motors can, depending on load run slower than synchronous speed. In
practice Hammond used motors of sufficient power that they ran at a
vanishingly small fraction of 1% slower than synchronous. I'd guess that
the single switch on Carlo's G-100 is all part of designing the instrument
so that a traditional pipe organist would feel at home, no fiddling about
with start and run switches, no drawbars etc.


Chris Clifton

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Bell" <worthogis@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] switch question

The organs with one switch use a single capacitor type

sychronous motor

instead of seperate start and run motors, this was a design that was not
used in the older tonewheel organs. The generators that use the self
starting motors run at a different speed, 1200 rpm's as opposed to the

1800

rpm's the double switch organs run at.
Cheers,
Ronnie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <

my G-100 has a regular on/off switch. Why did they not put

this type of

switch on all Hammonds?

carlo

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-----Original Message-----
From: daz [mailto:daz395@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 4:23 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] BBC Radio 4


Sounds one hell of an experience Ken!

I agree that good acoustics can make or break an instrument.
Even the best
instruments can sound awful if the acoustics are bad.

Daz

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey [mailto:godfreys5@...]
Sent: 03 March 2002 02:49
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] BBC Radio 4


Daz,

Glad to hear your Dad is doing better...we knew he would be.

Excellent thoughts on the Hammond / Leslie experience. I have that same
feeling every time I fire up one of my Hammonds. Never had quite that same
effect from any other organs, or instruments before. The closest I've come
was playing the piano in a small cathedral with excellent accoustics. My
wife and I got married there. They have an absolutely awesome 1900 pipe
organ up in the nave, too. It's got a very transparent, Baroque sound.

BCV-KG

-----Original Message-----
From: daz [mailto:daz395@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 5:36 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] BBC Radio 4


Hi Darren,

I think that you would need to explain that it is not just the swirling
'sound', but also the 'feeling' that is transmitted.... it is an overall
captivation of your senses, which in turn sucks you into the
music. If you
listen to this tune played on any other instrument it just does

not 'grab'

you in the same way... it just HAS to be a played on a

tonewheel Hammond.

If it is played on anything else it doesn't breath life into the
music, the
Hammond/Leslie combination is alive, by that, I mean it animates
the music.
The sound 'moves' around, it is like a living thing, the tune is
brought to
life. That is the feeling that I get when playing the Hammond...
sometimes
I feel like the organ is playing me, does that sound ridiculous?

I have been playing Hammonds now for 27 years (and my hands are killing
me... LOL!) and still it sends shivers up my spine, I don't know of any
other instrument that has that much effect on people. Even
people who don't
know what a Hammond organ is, will ask "what is that sound?" When asked
"what sound?"... they can't describe it.

The words... 'sombre'... 'crescendo'... 'emotional'... 'dark'...
'bright'...
'assault on your senses' may help in some way.

In a way it is unfair of them to ask this of you, as you are
being requested
to comment on the emotions of other people. The 'Hammond' cannot be
described... you have to hear and feel it. I once taught a deaf lady to
play the organ. She was profoundly deaf in one ear and 90% in

the other.

She had a Yamaha and could 'feel' the music through the wooden
floor in her
lounge. One day, I had to bring her to my house as her organ had
packed up.
She was so enamoured with my Hammond/Leslie that she went out and
bought her
own the same day. The reason being, the 'feeling' she got from
the rotating
speaker actually brought tears (not kidding at all) to her eyes... I had
never seen this emotion from her before. She had the Leslie speaker
touching the bench and with having wooden floors, she said it

was like the

organ was 'singing' to her. Her name was Beryl, and has now

sadly passed

away.

Sorry for the long mail, hope it helps in some way.

PS... My Dad has picked up a lot over the last few days, his speech is
returning now, so I feel I can now return to a semi-normal life
and re-join
the group. Thanks a lot for all the support expressed by all, it
is good to
know that there are so many people who care.

Daz

-----Original Message-----
From: tonewheeldude [mailto:darren@...]
Sent: 28 February 2002 10:41
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] BBC Radio 4


I need a hand Guys and Girls,

Alan Hall (BBC Radio 4) just called. He has a 20 minute program
going out at the end of March about The Hammond Organ and the
Song "A Whiter Shade of Pale". Gary Brooker will be on (pity Matthew
Fisher wont be) Alan asked me to explain what it is about the
Hammond Organ- to quote- 'that swirling sound' that makes this track
so special. Here is the catch..I have two to three minutes to do it
in.

If you have any ideas how to concisely define the Hammond Sound in
the context of "A Whiter Shade Of Pale" I would be realy gratefull
of any ideas. I don't think I am the best choice realy, but I have a
few ideas.

Darren



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