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Re: [hammond_zone] Taking a break
In a message dated 2/21/2002 5:48:47 PM Central Standard Time,
daz395@... writes: I will be taking a break for a while... my Dad has had two strokes in 24hrsDaz, You and your dad are in our prayers !! Ya'll hang in there.. Sincerely, Bill Giardina |
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Re: [hammond_zone] BV question
Anyone know how to add reverb to a Hammond BV connected to a Leslie 122?
The preamp isn't like a B3. Also, how can I make it overdrive a little more? It has some growl but a little more would be nice.Thanks... From: "Randall Bush" <raul_de_jalapeno@...> _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: |
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Re: [hammond_zone] foldback
Ron Bell
You need to salvage the extra key contacts and bussbars from a doner
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spinet. Bussbars are long gold wires that run the length of the manuals, basicly the key contacts make contact with the bussbars, there is one Bussbar for each drawbar. Some spinets dont have 9 full length bussbars on the top manual, I know the M-100 does but I can't remember if the L-100 does.{I'll check and get back to you on this). Ron Bell ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gandert De Boo" <bottomline@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: [hammond_zone] foldback While I was looking through some old mails, I saw something aboutfoldback. I know what it is. I also know my l122 don't have it. On the capitan folback site was a link to a folback site so i checked it out. After reading some instructions, I thought it could usefull to take a look in my own hammond. It's all opened up now and i can see now how the contacts are made. But i also can see that getting more to the right of the organ, the number of contacts per key is going less. Now is my question what will i need excactly to add foldback to my l122?wires that connect the notes to the connects are very thin. Are these special wires?
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Re: [hammond_zone] sad story
Randall Bush
Yes, there is indeed a difference in the sound. On BV and CV serial 17075 and above, they have a 91-frequency TG, with 12 complex tone wheels for frequencies 1-12. As a result, these models fold back all 12 notes of the bottom octave and that's where you'll here the difference.
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Re: [hammond_zone] sad story
Ron Bell
With a variable AC voltage isolation transformer, AKA Variac.
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Ron Bell. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Laddie Williams" < Good luck, Samelectronics person, but He said, "Start with low voltage and bring it up aAnd don't ask me exactly what he meant or how, because I am not a little bit at a time, watching everthing very carefully." This may be crazy and I have no idea how one would do this. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] foldback
Chris Clifton
Hi Gandert,
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You would get the contacts from scrapped organs. I know scrapping any Hammond is a horrible thought but it has to be done sometimes. I have the keyboards from a T-400 and an L-100, that were vandalised beyond repair when a local church was broken into. I could dismantle these keyboards and sell the contacts to zoners wishing to add foldback to spinets. The wires connecting to the contacts are resistance wires, there is a resistance of 18 ohms in series with each contact. I think the easiest way to wire up additional contacts would be to use thin insulated copper wire and put a small 1/8 watt 18 ohm resistor on the back of the key contact. Bussbars are the long metal bars running the length of the keyboards, when you press a key the contact makes contact with the bussbar. There is one bussbar corresponding to each drawbar. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gandert De Boo" <bottomline@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] foldback While I was looking through some old mails, I saw something aboutfoldback. I know what it is. I also know my l122 don't have it. On the capitan folback site was a link to a folback site so i checked it out. After reading some instructions, I thought it could usefull to take a look in my own hammond. It's all opened up now and i can see now how the contacts are made. But i also can see that getting more to the right of the organ, the number of contacts per key is going less. Now is my question what will i need excactly to add foldback to my l122?wires that connect the notes to the connects are very thin. Are these special wires?
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foldback
Gandert De Boo
While I was looking through some old mails, I saw something about foldback. I know what it is. I also know my l122 don't have it. On the capitan folback site was a link to a folback site so i checked it out. After reading some instructions, I thought it could usefull to take a look in my own hammond. It's all opened up now and i can see now how the contacts are made. But i also can see that getting more to the right of the organ, the number of contacts per key is going less.
Now is my question what will i need excactly to add foldback to my l122? This is what I could figure out: 1. 50 contacts per manual, but how do I get these? 2. Wires to connect the notes to the proper contacts. I noticed that the wires that connect the notes to the connects are very thin. Are these special wires? And what are bussbars? I know some of you know excactly what I'm talking about. So let it roll!!! Gandert |
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Re: [hammond_zone] sad story
Laddie Williams
Good luck, Sam
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Look close before you fire it up.. I am going to tell you something a dealer told me about starting up a very old machine. And don't ask me exactly what he meant or how, because I am not a electronics person, but He said, "Start with low voltage and bring it up a little bit at a time, watching everthing very carefully." This may be crazy and I have no idea how one would do this. ----- Original Message -----
From: I.H. Smith To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] sad story I've heard some amazing reports of Hammonds surviving natural disasters; and though I was taken aback by the conditions of the organ that generated this thread, I keep reminding myself bad things happen-- I live in tornado territory and have lost things that shouldn't have been at risk, but in the end were. Not a big deal, but a fact of life. I'm to much a Scot to pay that kind of money, though for an uncertain possibility. ----- Original Message ----- From: <robbidobbi@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] sad story > Ron this gives me hope. I brought the RT-2 and Leslie 147 home today from > the storage unit by the bay.It is really in bad shape.The cords are all > cracked and bad. the finish is worn to nothing. And boy is this organ huge. > The pedals are something by themselves!!!! the Leslie cabinet is in sad > shape also but the insides of organ and Leslie don't look too bad just lots > of dirt and dust. So I will first try to clean and replace cords that are bad > before I try to fire the old baby up. It does not have a bench either so I > don't know what I will do yet about it. Is the bench larger than the C-3 B-3 > and A100 benches? I probably will be asking more Questions about this > monster!!!!! Sam > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] sad story
Laddie Williams
The TLC is the trick...both mine just gleam! They get rubbed an petted a least once a week.
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From: Raul de Jalapeno To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] sad story Linda, it's amazing what abuse these things can take sometime. My CV had been sitting in an unheated, open garage for years. the side of the cabinet facing the open door was bleached grey. With a little TLC and alot of elbow work, the cabinet has come back with no refinishing. Raul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] sad story
Laddie Williams
Hi Ron,
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I am 68 and have been a Hammond nut since I was about 11. My mother purchased an A then. The guy who set it up...we knew nothing, had not played one for awhile. He was the studio organist at WFDF in Flint, Michigan at the time. Anyway, he sat down at our house in Omer, Michigan and played for about 5 hours... never stopped. I was totally taken and have been ever since. The A had a real tall box (??) that later became a Leslie. We moved and space was a problem so It all became an A-100 which I now have and treasure...really plays well. I had a chance to pick up a H2100 for a song and did so. It had a few problems (yes, no tone-wheels), but I got everything working except the preset that does the percussion. My wife plays it anyway, and loves it. I must admit it ain't no B-3, but it is all Hammond and wonderful to listen to with a built in Leslie. She plays it almost every evening before going to bed. I won't be happy until I get the preset fixed and a Leslie for my A-100. I missed the bid on a 770 by $61.40 american last night. There were four bids in the last 30 seconds and I just lost out (tears). I will get my Leslie sooner or later and then I will be in musical rapture with the rest of you guys. I have a number of other keyboard instruments, including a Rolana 5500 piano (nice!), but nothing compares to the B-3 Leslie sound.. it stands alone. Can hardly wait. Laddie ----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Bell To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] sad story Hi George, I agree with yop that these organs are precious, but not because the dont't make them anymore. They are precious to us because we like them. There is always plenty of Hammonds out there for sale so they are not exactly rare. The person probably knew what they were doing, the organ just was not worth much if anything to them. It happens all the time with many things. One mans junk is another mans treasure, so it goes. On the watch for neglected and abused Hammonds, Ron Bell. > I'm shocked! These organs are precious because they aren't being made > anymore, nor could they be like they used to be made. Somebody didn't know > what they were doing or what they are worth. George > Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Intresting observation
Laddie Williams
An x-77 in good condition... I think I will just lay down and sigh!!!! Wonderful...
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From: hpage3 To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Intresting observation That is way cool Norm, Hammond people really do have things in common . I used to develop B&W film in my bathroom and I just finished a stint with my police dept. guarding our local nuclear power generating plant in New Hampshire. I do quite a bit of road details with the local Unitil (our local power co.) crews. Helps to fund the Hammond habit. >Howard > > > > > > >From: "normiii84501" <nasmith@s...> > >Reply-To: hammond_zone@y... > >To: hammond_zone@y... > >Subject: [hammond_zone] Intresting observation > >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:09:14 -0000 > > > >It's an interesting thing but "Old Time Radio" 1930's & 1940's was > >pretty good stuff. It chalanged your imagination. Contemporary > >Broadcasting of any kind, ie. TV or Radio, has not learned this > >lesson. They depend on shock value for their Nielson Ratings and > >that's junk. Now what's this to do with a bunch of folks who fix > >old Hammond Organs and play them? If your Imagination hasn't been > >chanlenged then I guess you are sort of brain dead. I have never > >worked harder at improving my playing. My skills at keeping the "Old > >Girl" running and sounding good are improving as well. Best thing > >that could have happened to me was I picked the X-77. I got it for > >$500.00 US in living room condition. Needed some internal work and I > >am doing that after 25 years of designing power line distribution > >systems. Another thing I still process my own Black & White film in > >the laundry room. It's too bad that more folks have not discovered > >the magic of the Senior Hammonds. Nuff Said > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Intresting observation
hpage3
That is way cool Norm, Hammond people really do have things in
common . I used to develop B&W film in my bathroom and I just finished a stint with my police dept. guarding our local nuclear power generating plant in New Hampshire. I do quite a bit of road details with the local Unitil (our local power co.) crews. Helps to fund the Hammond habit. Howardthe "OldFrom: "normiii84501" <nasmith@s...> IGirl" running and sounding good are improving as well. Best thing am doing that after 25 years of designing power line distribution |
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Re: [hammond_zone] foldback
The L-100 lower manual only has 7 buss bars in it.It is possible to install
an upper manual from a doner L along with the 9 draw bars in the lower manual position of the working organ.The percussion generator can also be transfered to the organ as well no problema,it is wired in parallel to the rest of the generators and you have to add awire to the swell pedal.The sheet metal mods can be done by a competent machine shop to accept the tabs.You must also cut the draw bar box in half just past the 9th draw bar and fit it under the the center trim panel that says Hammond on it.It takes some time to do but I think it was worth it.if you try it good luck and let us know how it worked out for you. The Old Guy |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Signing in to Yahoo
I.H. Smith
totally agreed here
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From: <jlc7184@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Signing in to Yahoo Hi all,services that in the past have been free.Some of you have said that if that takesgroup of this size and with such passion for these instruments should remainbe in order.Everyone put on their thinking caps.What other alternatives are |
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Re: [hammond_zone] sad story
I.H. Smith
I've heard some amazing reports of Hammonds surviving natural disasters; and
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though I was taken aback by the conditions of the organ that generated this thread, I keep reminding myself bad things happen-- I live in tornado territory and have lost things that shouldn't have been at risk, but in the end were. Not a big deal, but a fact of life. I'm to much a Scot to pay that kind of money, though for an uncertain possibility. ----- Original Message -----
From: <robbidobbi@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] sad story Ron this gives me hope. I brought the RT-2 and Leslie 147 home today fromhuge. The pedals are something by themselves!!!! the Leslie cabinet is in sadlots of dirt and dust. So I will first try to clean and replace cords that arebad before I try to fire the old baby up. It does not have a bench either so IB-3 and A100 benches? I probably will be asking more Questions about this |
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Re: [hammond_zone] sad story
I own a BV which is attached to a Leslie 122. The CV and BV, as I understand it have a different foldback making the lower end more heavy. I have had three B-3s but neither have come close to sounding like the BV. I will never let this baby go after having a Trek II percussion added. A CV or BV with a Leslie under 2000.00 in good shape is a fairly good deal. It's the shipping that kills you on Ebay. By the way, Ebay is where I found my BV...
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Re: [hammond_zone] Intresting observation
Randall Bush
Norm,
Can you set me up with a 138kV line transformer for my CV? Thanks. :) Raul From: "normiii84501" <nasmith@...> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: |
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Re: [hammond_zone] foldback
In a message dated 02/21/2002 2:41:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bottomline@... writes: << Now is my question what will i need excactly to add foldback to my l122? This is what I could figure out: 1. 50 contacts per manual, but how do I get these?>> Actually you need much less than 50 for the lower manual, and some people only do the upper manual (the foldback kits on EBay assume upper manual only). I had a T-series spinet that I parted out for (among other things) key contacts for my L-295, but once I got a full-size console I didn't bother. I've still got it the manual but I never finished disassembling it. I've also got an M lower manual somewhere, I picked it up for $25 because I can make more than that selling foldback kits off of it (-: but I haven't bothered. << 2. Wires to connect the notes to the proper contacts. I noticed that the wires that connect the notes to the connects are very thin. Are these special wires? >> If I remember right, it's resistance wire. << And what are bussbars? >> They're the bars that the key contacts touch when depressed. I think they go to the drawbars, because the key contacts are connected to the TWG. If I also remember right, L-series spinets have all full-length busbars, so you'll just need key contacts. << I know some of you know excactly what I'm talking about. So let it roll!!! I know what you're talking about, but I've never done it - just read about it, and put it on the shelf once I got my now-departed E-112 console. Doug |
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