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midi controller
Maurizio Zappatini
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First of all I'd like to say hello to all the
members of the list: been reading for some time
but this is my first mailing.
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I recently bought a C-3 which is not perfect but is
in any case? w o n d e r f u l.
I've worked with an XB-1 and an XK-2 and I consider
the latter an excellent clone: in my opinion, the fundamental
difference?between the XK-2 and a real tone wheel?is mostly noted
on?pads, holding chords. I tried?XK-2 through a Leslie 760 and?I
personally?believe that the result isn't much better, rather
poor.
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As for Casey's question regarding the?pedal,
the Hammond expression pedal is surely better than?normal midi pedals but
perhaps not that better so as to justify its high cost.
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However I'd like to talk about the B4 which in my
opinion is the best reproduction of?the tone wheel available today and,
especially on pads, it doesn't make you regret the real tone wheel. I truly
recommend all Hammondites purchase the software (which is rather economical: I
believe the demo may be downloaded free), especially those who were asking
for?drawbar settings. It has many presets including Gimme some Lovin', a
Whiter Shade of Pale, all very similar.
What is missing is an adequate midi
controller.
Is there anyone out there able to transform (or
manufacture) a B-3 or C-3 console into a B4?midi
controller??
ciao
Maurizio
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Re: [hammond_zone] &@#$!!!WOW!!!WHEW!!!I`M IMPRESSED!
Dave McCracken
kcbass11@... writes:
There was a good bit of talk about this on another list when it was current. Jimmy Foster is a good organist. The learning tapes is a neat idea conjured up by Dennis Turner. His motive here is to genuinely help out Jimmy too. The pricing structure of the tapes proves that. I think that aspect is very hip. Dennis had Jimmy come in and record on Dennis's B2 with Trek percussion/122. He used little radio shack boundary mics (made by Crown). I think details are probably on the site. I think the sound is great. I always thought it'd be a neat idea to mount theses mics in your Leslie upper compartment and wire 2 male XLR jacks in the back middle compartment. Flush mounted. Then the FOH sound engineer just takes 2 XLR cables off your Leslie. Look neat anyway and these recordings sound great to me. FWIW this exact organ was sold to a friend of mine here in NC. It went from Dennis to old infamous Johnnie in Centrailia Illinois. Then old Johnnie the Ebay Shark put them on Ebay where a clubowner here in NC picked it up. Then now this guy is moving and desperately wants to sell the organ Jimmy recorded with. If anyone is near North Carolina and is looking, this gentleman is selling a BC/21H and a B2 (with TrekII percussion add on)/122RV. These pieces must go. I know what he would like to get, but he'll take what he gets because they have to go. It is a matter of what he is offered. If anyone is looking to purchase this(these) organ(s) I'll relay the info. They will be fair market price or a bit lower. Just a little aside. Just a little note about Jimmy - he is good and I really do like him. But the thing is there are great players like him everywhere. *Every* city has a few older players who if put on a console Hammond will rip. To me it seems a bit of a dying art (been that way for decades). Dennis has the right idea by inviting the guy in the house and learning from him and also by documenting this style for others to chew on. Have a good Friday..... Dave McCracken ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: . |
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Re: [hammond_zone] drawbar settings
Ron Newman
What seems strange to me is that all players always talk about drawbar
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settings but the right drawbar settings often don't give you the sound you're seeking. One drawbar setting can be made to sound absolutely different by adjusting the other settings. Ron. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gaz" <gaz@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] drawbar settings I don't know if anyone on this list is into Ska/reggae music, but if so,
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Re: [hammond_zone] drawbar settings
Gaz
I don't know if anyone on this list is into Ska/reggae music, but if so,
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what are good drawbar settings for that, things like Liquidator etc? Cheers Gaz -----Original Message----- |
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drawbar settings
ANDREW SPENCER
Hi everyone, dont suppose anybody can help me to find the drawbar settings for Stevie Winwoods classic Gimme Some Lovin. I have tried and tried to get the sound on my XB1 but still cant quite get the tone. Many thanks.
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Re: [hammond_zone] Vibrato on a M-3
Dave McCracken
"Jonathan Lafarge" <tatane79@...> writes:
I've stolen my uncle's old M-3Hmm. Sounds a bit odd. Everything works well, but (there is always a but) the vibrato stillWhat is it about the vibrato that doesn't work? The organ has several white rocker switches for vibrato, correct? When you select vibrato for each manual does nothing change on the corresponding manual? Or does it; sound bad or very quiet in comparison to no vibrato selected or distorted and loud in comparison to no vib selected?..... I know I can make my organ repair again,Certainly. So does anybody knows if my problem can be easily fixed by myself ?Let the list know what it is doing exactly and I'll bet you'll be advised what to do to fix it. It probably comes from the scanner,Possibly. The circuit is easy to follow - tubes, preamp, switches, line box, scanner. Several possibilities and if you are slightly careful and patient you can likely fix any of the problems. What happens? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: . |
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Vibrato on a M-3
Hello !
I've stolen my uncle's old M-3 and made it repaired (in fact, it only needed oil...). Eventually, I have my Hammond at home ! Wow ! Everything works well, but (there is always a but) the vibrato still doesn't work... I know I can make my organ repair again, but it will cost me much more. So does anybody knows if my problem can be easily fixed by myself ? It probably comes from the scanner, but what can I do, before calling the repairman ? Of course, if it is too risky for the repairability of the organ, I won't touch it, but I want to know if I can do something first. You know, I've seen the repairman putting oil on each cup, and stopping with the finger the noisy wheels and put some oil on it with a paint brush, and now, I have to do that sometimes. Thank you for documenting me about that, Regards, Jonathan, Paris, France. _________________________________________________________________ T???l???chargez MSN Explorer gratuitement ??? l'adresse |
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Re: [hammond_zone] need source for the following?
KARANIUK, Mick
I just acquired a Hammond 9995 . It is missing (2) plastic keys.
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Where would I purchase replacements? I would also like to find a manual for the system. Can anyone help me ? Mick K. mick.karaniuk@... -----Original Message----- |
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Re: [hammond_zone] need source for the following?
Dave McCracken
Forgot to include...
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Re: [hammond_zone] need source for the following?
Dave McCracken
hpage@... writes:
I have a chopped B-3 and need two of the metal pieces that attach toThe metal things are referred to as key channels. You need 2 key channels? Best bet is find a buddy with a parts M3. That is what I have done. Pick up a spinet for cheap and that is all the keys you'll ever need. You can check various suppliers over the internet and probably find 2 key channels. I'd just go to all the websites you know of or cool suppliers/repair persons and send em all an email about what you are looking for. Also how does one gain access to the lower keyboard to screw inSounds to me like you should ask the guy who made this chop. If it were a stock organ you have to separate the manuals. In that case on a console Hammond (C3/B3/A100) you unbolt the manuals from below (4 bolts), unscrew the catch on the manual/front rail and then raise the manuals. Get some blocks or screwdrivers or whatever to hold them up. Then looking at the cheek blocks, you'll see how they separate. Got to raise it high enough to where you can see the bolts under the cheek blocks though. However a chop is someone's great idea how to stack an entire tone wheel organ into a smaller box using different methods to tighten things and different placement. So I have no idea on your instrument. If it is an EIS chop Bob will help you, Liddell Newsham is ret. I think but I bet he'll still offer support on his chops or if it is a Bill Beer chop although he has passed, there are many that also have his instrument...... If you can't contact the mfr of that chop see if someone else has a similar one. Might be just like a stock organ too. Check it out and let us know. Raising the manuals is a bit of a PIA to replace one key but that's how it goes. Once you raise the manuals once and see what you're doing you'll do it in 90 seconds. Good luck. Dave McCracken ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: . |
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need source for the following?
I have a chopped B-3 and need two of the metal pieces that attach to
the organs keys with screws (2). Then they are screwed into the back of the keyboard frame with one screw each. This is for the High C and the B key to the left of it. I broke off one of the prongs on the High C key trying to insert it into what I though was a slot where I should have been looking for a screw. Also how does one gain accesss to the lower keyboard to screw in these key extensions for lack of a better name? Thanks as usual for all your help. Right now I don't use these keys and just blocked them in the up position with cotton balls so atleast it looks normal. Howard Page |
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Definitive answer on M3 1/4" outputs
Tony Rodrigues
I've seen posts stating that the RCA jack on a Hammond M3's volume pedal box can be used as an output. While this jack works great as an input (its intended purpose), it causes a serious hum in the speaker when used as an output (not its intended purpose).
I've seen a kit that taps the output signal off of one of the tubes in the amplifier to get a line-level output.This looks interesting, but I am not sure if this is a true line level or amplified signal that will fry my mixer with a 200 volt signal. Does anyone know the BEST way to get a line-level output from an M3? Also, does the M3 use the AO28 or AO29 amp? Any help is appreciated and shall be rewarded with excellent karma and complete enlightenment upon your departure from this world! Tony |
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Finally! I'm a Hammondite
Today I took delivery on my Hammond B-3 chop. What a sound. I am
running it through the 122 leslie that came with it. While I was cleaning it up I removed the metal face plate between the upper and lower keyboards to clean all the road dust that accumulated behind it. While doing so I dropped the extreme right end screw down between the keys on the lower keyboard. (1) How difficult is it to access this area to retrieve the screw?. (2) I was also made aware by the seller that the lower manuals high "C" key has never worked. I tried all the other keys and controls and everything else works, I will probably never use this key but what would fixing it entail?,Would it be worth the aggravation or is it too risky that I might damage something else either accessing or trying to repair this? Also thank you all for your previous help when I was considering the purchase. I also own a New Korg CX-3 with a 145 Leslie and Motion Sound KBR-3d. which I really like. Howard from Seabrook,NH U.S.A. |
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HAMMOND A-100
Just purchased a A-100 in good condition. It has been setting up, not being
used hardly at all. The only thing is there is dust, dust, dust. What is the best thing to do to clean this thing? ?The keys need cleaned also is there any good tips? ?I do so enjoy the group and all the topics that are covered and recovered!!!!!!! ??thanks Sam |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Techy music question
Ron Newman
开云体育Dave, that's a very interesting script. And thanks.
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>B4, that isn't exactly a "keyboard
setup".
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Well Dave, I take it to gigs. At home I play it
with a Fatar controller and pedal board through Midiman soundcard and Mackie
HR824 speakers. Sounds mighty good. For gigs I take a separate computer, without
moniter, cheap these days. Just switch it on and it plays. Like an ordinary
keyboard. And I have all my other sounds set to the various midi channels.
Mainly Gigastudio piano, split keyboard with a sampled string bass.
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Then I sit in the wings with a thing like a radio
controller for a?toy racing car and I use that to work the robot what plays
it.
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No that's not right. That last bit's
just?gross fantasy.
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Re: [hammond_zone] Techy music question
Dave McCracken
开云体育"Ron Newman" <ron.newman2@...>
writes:
And that is the only reason in 20+ years of trying
to emulate the sound of the Hammond - nothing has come very close.? Native
Instruments B4 is arguably as close as it has gotten.? However the
interface shows that that isn't exactly a "keyboard setup".? Some use the
B4 live with a laptop, controller, good sound card (once latency issues are
sorted out).? I hear that that will work.? I think good things will
come out of this technology in time.? Getting closer.....? The extra
subtleties inherent in the tonewheel Hammonds are obviously the things that
aren't being included in many simulators.? Just listen to the (not too) old
Korg -X3 series....?
I understand it does not.? Firstly that is why
capacitors are included in the circuit of each tonewheel.? That to me is a
crazy concept anyway - a capacitor to filter out *audio* frequencies.?
Anyway....? My understanding is those were used in efforts to make the
output closer to a sine wave.? Still not pure.? By the way there are
several that are more well versed in these mechanics than I.? Lars or pda
may have a better understanding.? I am nowhere close to a
tech.
I don't think it is pure and?then you're right
a lot of extra variables come into the mix.? Generator noise, key click all
of which were originally considered flaws with the original design now are the
subtleties that make simulators fall short.? I think simulators are coming
closer though.? The key click and generator noise functions in the Voce
units, while being a bit funky themselves - is getting closer to the right idea
IMO.? The statement I always make to people when playing out and people
comment on the Hammond, is that we can put a man on the moon but you just can't
recreate that sound.? Also though simulators might be able to come closer
if the market was such that big dollars could be poured into R&D.?
Hammond fanatics who will pay $1000+ for that sound (and only that sound) are a
small spec on the market demographic used by the planning board at Roland, Korg
et al.
I understand that like the Telharmonium - the
Hammonds conceptual predecessor - the wheels are based on integer math.? I
don't think the idea of "filling bits of tonewheels" happened.? More like a
formula which dictates each wheel structure (which therefore dictated the
structure of the tooling which made the parts).
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I don't know if someone has actually tried to recreate a mechanical product
to emulate the sound of a tonewheel Hammond organ.? Although that is all
the simulators are.? VK1000(?), BX3, Voce, VK7, XB...? There has
always been a lot of talk over the last 10 years at least of the practical
aspects of reproducing the tonewheel organ.? Suffice to say that they cost
of a new XB3 (which is a quite substantial purchase and is a fine organ
too)? would be dwarfed by the cost of generating the tools to build the
parts and the cost to put TW Hammonds in production.? There just aren't
enough of us to warrant it.? However here is food for thought towards a non
technical thread.? Please forgive me if I sound ethnocentric.? I am
proud that the Hammond is an American invention but I don't mean anything
negative about that.? The person who I admire as the best tech on the
planet (several on this list know who I mean) has told me and others that he has
knowledge of where 90% of all the tooling for tonewheel Hammond organs is
located.? For a while the list admin of Hamtech was curious about the pros
and cons of buying some of these items.? I am talking about the molds for
the rocker switches, etc and everything else used to create these glorious
organs.? To me it is a sad thing - that all these items are no longer
located in the US,? I think they should be displayed proudly in a museum
personally.? But I understand that someone associated with Roland in Japan
has a warehouse where these toolings are located.? Wouldn't it be great
though?? I am a young player.? The last TW Hammond came off the
production line when I was a small chap.? I didn't get into the organs
until long after so I never saw/heard a new organ.? Although I try and keep
my organ in great shape and try to keep it as stock as possible - I really have
no idea how a brand spankin new TW Hammond would sound.? After 30+ years
there is so much component drifting and other elements thrown in that it can't
sound like it did when new.? I think the whole thing conjures up some neat
thoughts.? But the reality is it would cost a fortune to reproduce it and
it wont happen.? In the day organ cost was comparable to some new
cars.? The home organ market is all but gone.? Todays professional
organs (for instance Allen) still are comparable to a price of a new car and I
bet none of us would be able to fork it out.? Sure makes for a fun daydream
though.? Hope I got somewhere close to your original question.....
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Re: [hammond_zone] Freddy Henchi Band too
volker kunschner
great,i love it ,finally somebody else being as crazy like me.but i have a
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new gadget on my C3. its a beltpack wahwah,designed for guitarplayers to enable them to play wahwah while they walk around on stage.the filter is operated by a lightsensitive device,that you put in your mouth between your teeth and when you open your mouth,light falls on it and the filter opens.it also has a high and lowpass filter and you can also set the Q strength. awesome shit.as i was playing with my quartett on the `aalener jazzfest` last year it was the first time that i ran my C3 throuigh an old Roland rack vocoder,cause we were doin experimental shit that nite.people and i were trippin,did we have some fun. so far for this gags,i got some more to come c yall the wolfman The keyboard guy for Freddi Henchi bandfrom Boulder Colorado USA does this too!Way beyond my abilities so I guess I'll --
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Re: [hammond_zone] Expression Pedals
I have to say also that the Hammond Expression Pedal is well worth the money.
I asked my tech about the big difference and he went on about how volume pedals just screw with the loudness and softness whereas the Hammond expression Pedal works with voltage modulation. Anyways, maybe somebody can take it from there with a better explanation... The Hammond pedals in the states go for about $100-$150. It's well worth the money and a hell of a lot cheaper than therapy because you put Volkswagon tires on your Jag and then couldn't figure out why you lost performance. ????OHF ???BOB |
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