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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob
You know Raul that sounds like a splendid idea,BUT,would they buying public
think so.I think everyone here would agree that it would be fantastic to do such a thing but would they sell.After all this would be a serious venture which would at some point have to support itself.Just the capital required to purchase the jigs and other critical manufacturing goods would be substantial. just thinkin.....can you smell the smoke.......jeff |
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Re: [hammond_zone] switch question
In a message dated 03/04/2002 2:33:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
organist@... writes: << my G-100 has a regular on/off switch. Why did they not put this type of switch on all Hammonds? >> The synchronous motor (which Laurens Hammond designed and patented) was not originally self-starting. Hammond synchronous clocks had a knob on the back to "spin" to start them, and as I understand it, the Patent Office prototype may have had to be crank-started. That's why there was the start motor and separate run motor. The L-100 spinet was the first organ with a self-starting motor (you'll hear references to "blue motor" here). My 1971 L-295 has a motor made by Racine. There's a starting capacitor on it, and I believe a start winding. I'm not sure why they didn't move later production of the B-3, etc to self-starting motors, but there's reports that the self-starting TWG's ran at a different speed than the older TWG's. I don't remember where I saw that or if it's accurate or not. I have heard of a "gross hack" done on some US-made 2-switch Hammonds to run in Europe, a single self-starting 220V motor was added to drive the TWG, rather than voltage/frequency converter. Doug |
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Re: Tonewheel generators
t402_owner
Bloody hell! Are you serious???
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--- In hammond_zone@y..., "Raul de Jalapeno" <raul_de_jalapeno@h...>
wrote: (snip) What I want to do is reproduce the entire tonewheel generator fromstart motor to scanner. (snip) I remember reading years ago in the Hamtech list someone saying he bought the original mold machinery for keys or drawbars... cant remember exactly what but it had to do with Hammonds and molds LOL. I'm no longer in the list of but might be worth one of you Hamtech members to ask around... ----- Original Message -----Scanner pieces would be nice, huh? |
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Re: [hammond_zone] switch question
Chris Clifton
They all run at 1500 rpm in 50 cycle areas. Technically the synchronous
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motor system has the edge. The synchronous motor with the separate starter motor is guaranteed by the laws of Electro magnetics to run in step, synchronised, with the AC mains supply, so the tuning depends only on how accurately your power company maintains 50 or 60 cycles. The induction motors can, depending on load run slower than synchronous speed. In practice Hammond used motors of sufficient power that they ran at a vanishingly small fraction of 1% slower than synchronous. I'd guess that the single switch on Carlo's G-100 is all part of designing the instrument so that a traditional pipe organist would feel at home, no fiddling about with start and run switches, no drawbars etc. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Bell" <worthogis@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] switch question The organs with one switch use a single capacitor type sychronous motor1800 rpm's the double switch organs run at. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 |
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
Ron Bell
I am far from an orginist(jazz and rock organ players are not organists
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right ;) but when I feel like playing a little "Hockey Music" on my X-77 the extra drawbars add quite a bit to the over all sound. "Cheesy" organ music is not my thing but I hear Klaus Wunderlich uses the extra drawbars when he rips it up!! Cheers, Ronnie. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Clifton" Decoration? I've never seen anyone actually use it! Same for the extra |
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Re: [hammond_zone] switch question
Ron Bell
The organs with one switch use a single capacitor type sychronous motor
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instead of seperate start and run motors, this was a design that was not used in the older tonewheel organs. The generators that use the self starting motors run at a different speed, 1200 rpm's as opposed to the 1800 rpm's the double switch organs run at. Cheers, Ronnie ----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" < my G-100 has a regular on/off switch. Why did they not put this type ofswitch on all Hammonds?
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
Ron Bell
The extra lower drawbar is the highest black drawbar with a dot on it, it
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is a mixture of two tones(i think the tonic and a third above but I could be wrong.) All of the M seiries have this feature, the L-100's do not. Ron. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] question YES!!! That's it!!! That's the organ I played today..............extra lower drawbar for?
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
Chris Clifton
Decoration? I've never seen anyone actually use it! Same for the extra
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drawbars on the H-series. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] question YES!!! That's it!!! That's the organ I played today..............extra lower drawbar for?
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
Ron Bell
The M, M-2 and M-3 were the first spinets made, why they had 12 pedals I
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don't know but they added the high C to all the later spinets.. These organs had the start run swiches under the console and 12 pedals, but they had eight lower drawbars, one pedal drawbar and nine upper drawbars. The only tonewheel spinets with the start run switches I have ever heard of(and I am almost certain that I know of them all) are M, M-2 ,M-3 and the M-100 series (the M-100's have the swiches in the normal spot).You have found an odd organ indeed, if you have a chance to see it again double check the number of drawbars and look at the name plate on the back. Did the organ look like this one? Cheers, Ronnie. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" < Thanks Bill! By the way, why only 12 pedals? Why not add the C like allother spinets? Also, what's that other drawbar? What's the pitch? Is it a mixture, or the 8/9 harmonic?
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Re: [hammond_zone] question
Earthlink-fyrefyter
No question about it being one of the "M" series organs, since the start/run
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switches are under the right side of the console AND that it has 12 pedals. Dead giveaway that way. Good organ, if in good shape. Bill Ziegler Datasounds, Inc. Check us on the web at www.datasounds.com Let Us Build and Host Your Website ----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] question well, it was definitely a Hammond. it had the name written on the barbetween the upper and lower manuals, and I had to hold the start switch for a few seconds, then hit the run switch. It only had 12 pedals, and that threw me off.
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Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators
Good movie.
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Must have watched it 10 times. Mike ----- Original Message -----
From: Raul de Jalapeno To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Tonewheel generators I love you guys!!! What would a guy do without all of ya? I love ya!! Now, get this clear.....I'm not going to reproduce an organ. All you who know me know I'm an electronics guy. I live, breathe and eat vacuum tubes and high voltage. You guys ever see Forbidden Planet? Remember the ID monster? That's me when my mercury-vapor rectifiers are really cookin'! If it wasn't for you guys, I wouldn't even know what to polish my CV with, much less make a cabinet! No, siree, me no make whole organ. What I want to do is reproduce the entire tonewheel generator from start motor to scanner. That's why I want to learn what tooling they used to make the parts with. Did they die stamp the wheels? The gears? Did they farm that part out to a sub-contractor? I dont know. Here's what I do know: I intend to see if the patent is still live on this thing. If not, I intend to figure out how to make TGs without emptying a soul's pocketbook. I've already spoken with my transformer vendor. He took one look at the specs and said: &qu Raul ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken & Dianne Godfrey To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: RE: [hammond_zone] Re: Looke here: Bob Hey Raul! If we find anything still alive around Chicago, I can go pick it up. I'm only a few hours away. As far as tooling, what would there have really been? Are Tonewheels die-stamped? I haven't seen one out of its TG in so long I don't remember. There were probably stamping and forming dies for the TG and Pre-Amp chassis', but that's not really required. Maybe lathe patterns for legs and cabinet-piece templates, too. If we do a custom cabinet, we wouldn't need those. I don't think we want to repro the entire line, just B-3's, right? Well, maybe ALL the TG's used from about '34-'74, AO-28's, AO-15331's. Oh yeh! Molds for keys, Drawbar knobs, Vibrato knobs, Vibrato Scanner pieces would be nice, huh? Hmmmmmm... BCV-Ken Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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