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Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question
Oh, I beg to differ! Hammonds can play anything we want them to.
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From: "Gandert De Boo" <bottomline@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question Chris,the first 5 drawbars on 8 and max. volume I get a nice warm overdrive. Just love. The neighbours dont like the volume produded on that setting. So I'll just play whenever they're not around. About the fuzz sound. Hammonds are not made to play riffs likesatisfaction!! Cheers,than anything else. Failure of this choke (inductance) in the reverb sectionis a not uncommon fault in the L-100. The distortion produced is not alittle bit, like overdrive, it's more like a guitarist's fuzz box pedal, alsothe reverb will not work when the choke fails. You could try turning thegain control on the organ power amp up to get a bit of overdrive.volume. However more overdrive could be usefull once in a while. Where do I findWith nothe > signal path, much distortion!!!!:-) > >grid > > elementsdone. > > > |
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[hammond_zone] Baby Announcement!
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Hey Zoners!
I just wanted to officially announce the new arrival into our household... We are now the proud (adopted) parents of a new (to us) little (HA!) bundle of joy: A 1937 Hammond C40 Power Cabinet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She's a little long in the tooth for most prospective adoptive parents, but we love her. (Well, my wife's a little lukewarm right now, but as soon as I get her stood up in her new resting place, instead of laying down in the middle of the living room floor, I'm sure she'll come to love her the way I do...well, maybe not THAT much, but close.) And, by the way, when a C40 lays around the house...well, I don't think I have to finish it, do I? Let's just say my wife has promised to have me buried in it, and I would have PLENTY of room in there. (She could probably fit my entire LP collection in there with me!) Anywho, this thing is like nothing I've ever seen! Two, count 'em, TWO gorgeous black wrinkle finish power amps that weigh about 60lbs. each. Powered by 2A3 tubes (4 in each), with transformers big enough to run industrial equipment on. 20 smokin' watts each!!!!! (Well, the watts were bigger back then!) Four Jensen Concert Series A-12's (the OLD field coil ones with the HUGE round covers). The black paint on them is still factory-fresh and shiny! They look good enough to eat. Shame to cover them up, actually. I'll post pictures soon. The quality of construction on the whole thing is just unbelievable! I feel the same way I did when I first opened up my BCV after bringing her home. I just can't believe the way they built things back then. Just one small example: The speaker grill is expanded steel over black muslin between two wood frames scewed together. The cloth is held onto the inside of the grill frame with strips of wood. They have a decorative cross-section, and are stained to match the cabinet. They are INSIDE the thing when the grill is attached, and you'd never see them unless you removed the grill! Unbelievable!! They could have just used plain, wood strips. The attention to detail just amazes me. And, the whole works is in amazing condition! Strangely enough, the finish is very shiny, but not as shiny as my console (of the same year), and seems like a different finishing process was used. The color matches quite well, and I'm sure a good coat of wax will shine her up quite nicely. But this puts a new spin on our previous lacquer / shellac / varnish / french polish discussion. The organ looks like many coats of clear nitrocellulose lacquer, sprayed on and color sanded between coats. It is slightly crazed, like old lacquer gets. I only notice the crazing about an hour after I oil it down. The Tone Cab, by contrast, seems to have much less build, and looks more like a traditional varnish or shellac, brushed on. There are a few small drips under the bottom rail. Still, this C40 is a thing of beauty! The woodgrain Hammond used on the Cab's isn't the same straight grain used on the consoles. It's a gorgeous burl grain (could be birch, but Hammond claimed it was burled walnut), book-matched on the front and sides. I also want to give a big plug to Bill Giardina of Church Organ Center (the seller). What a straight, honest businessman, and a true gentleman to boot! He not only drafted his friend (and church organist who plays a D-152 every Sunday!) Ernest into helping Bill and I load it, but Bill and his wonderful wife Linda treated us to an incredible home-cooked dinner!! The BEST Southern Fried Chicken we've ever had! I just can't say enough about Bill's hospitality, kindness, honesty and integrity. We had an enjoyable (although too short) afternoon playing with the 3 organs in his front room, and the many in his showroom, and just talking Hammonds. Thanks Bill! BCV-KG...no, wait! BCV/C40-KG...uh, BCVC40KG? ...BC40-KG? ...C40BCV-KG??! ...BCVC40HR40147A100147L100330MS20KG!!! |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question
Gandert De Boo
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That's the 'gain adj.' knob, right? It's on it's loudest setting now. With the first 5 drawbars on 8 and max. volume I get a nice warm overdrive. Just love. The neighbours dont like the volume produded on that setting. So I'll just play whenever they're not around. About the fuzz sound. Hammonds are not made to play riffs like satisfaction!! Cheers, Gandert ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Clifton To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question Gandert, The remark about the distortion on the L was more an attempt at humour than anything else. Failure of this choke (inductance) in the reverb section is a not uncommon fault in the L-100. The distortion produced is not a little bit, like overdrive, it's more like a guitarist's fuzz box pedal, also the reverb will not work when the choke fails. You could try turning the gain control on the organ power amp up to get a bit of overdrive. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gandert De Boo" <bottomline@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question > Chris, > > I have a l100 and I am very plaesed with the way it sounds on full volume. However more overdrive could be usefull once in a while. Where do I find that ''choke of the 12bh7 in the reverb drive unit''? > This isn't a dangerous thing to do, right? > > Gandert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Clifton > To: hammond_zone@... > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question > > > If you want real good diode/class B distortion, get an L-100 and disconnect > the choke from the anode of the 12BH7 in the reverb drive circuit. With no > anode load the grid and cathode of the 12BH7 act as a diode across the > signal path, much distortion!!!! > > From the Weyr and from the Bowl, > Bronze and brown and blue and green, > Rise the dragonmen of Pern, > Aloft on wing, seen, then unseen. > > Chris 50 & Laura 17, Sam(uel)15 and Emily 11 in Llanelli > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "t402_owner" <t402_owner@...> > To: <hammond_zone@...> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:29 AM > Subject: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question > > > > Raul, hi mate > > > > Yes I agree it can be done HOWEVER IMHO I fear diode-like class B > > will sound terribly harsh. IMHO you'll be better off pushing bias > > substantially zerowards (ie class A) and then a diddly notch onto > > heavy compression. Distortion plus grind, dirt and all that stuff > > Laurens was so ashamed of will stand out at lower volume levels :-) > > > > Cheerio > > > > t402 > > > > --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Randall Bush" <raul_de_jalapeno@h...> > > wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > > The input of the second > > > preamp section is a 6J7 pentode connected in super triode > > configuration. I'm > > > going to experiment with the voltage levels on the different grid > > elements > > > to see if I can drive the stage into class B clipping while > > maintaining the > > > same volume level. One thing George Hiatt was talking about is > > adding a > > > little bit of "dirt" at lower gain levels. I think it can be done. > > > > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] hooking up a-100 to 47leslie(ken)
Geez ken,i got another ?.Who sells those 6147 kits reasonable.Also,i heard a
26-1 kit would work.Whats the difference in the two kits???????? THANKS again and again.........jeff, By the way i still have the bcv i just got this great deal on the a100 so i dragged it home. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] hooking up a-100 to 47leslie
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Jeff,
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Just ignore that 5-pin Amphenol connector on the back of your AO39 amp. It is there to connect a Hammond Tone Cabinet to the organ. You could rewire it, and maybe hide your hook-up kit inside the AO39, but the easy way out is just to add on a Leslie hook-up kit. Unless you have the ultra-rare A-100 with the finished back, and you don't want to add holes. You can buy the 6147 kit from several on-line sources, or you could build your own. The stock hook-up for a 147 / A-100 combination is what I saw someone post in response to your question. The AO39 outputs (speaker leads) feed the Leslie. You use a Tremolo switch to control Leslie speed (with AC switching), and an Echo switch to select either organ speakers, Leslie, or both. The console load selector on the 147 amp must be set to 8 ohms! You get Reverb only through the organ speakers. The kit is ridiculously simple. Just a small metal box with one 6-pin connector and some wiring. No other components needed for this hook-up. I recently did this same hook-up. I was too cheap to fork over the $150 or so for the kit, so I did my own. Well, also, I decided (as always) to be difficult. I wanted to supply the signal to the Leslie directly from the G terminals on the A-100's AO28 pre-amp. I mainly wanted to do this to perfect a hook-up schematic so I can hook a 147 up to my old BCV (something that God, and Don Leslie never intended). I ended up using the transformer that was in the 122-style hook-up kit that came with the A-100 when I bought it to convert the balanced (2 G terminals) output of the AO28 into an unbalanced signal (1 G and ground) for the 147. If you are going to keep the internal speakers in the A-100, I'd go with the factory recommended hook-up to the speaker leads, and live with Reverb at the organ only. Why complicate things? It's a very easy hook-up. Let me know if you need more details. BCV-KG -----Original Message----- |
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Re: [hammond_zone] hooking up a-100 to 47leslie
I forgot to mention something.However i get this hooked up i DO want to
maintain my access to the reverb.I would like to be able to have use of it on the main spkrs or main and leslie.Although i do not want to have reverb through the leslie(spinning reverb i've heard by other zoners sounds terrible).Is this possible.I really dislike being so uninformed so please excuse me for such basic ?'s.Try'in to learn Jeff |
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Re: [hammond_zone] hooking up a-100 to 47leslie
Ok ken, i'll sure let you know.I'm positive i'll need some help.I do have a
kit that was for a lowery and a few of the other guys have said it might be able to re-wire it.But i might be wise to get that 6147 kit .I never hooked up a kit before and am unsure.Although i would love to do it myself just for the challenge and to gain more practical knowledge. thanks..jeff |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Leslie speaker question
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
Kind of like Columbus, still looking for China, huh? Didn't realize he'd
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found someplace BETTER! BCV-KG -----Original Message----- |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Keys not playing
Hi Dennis,
I just got an a-100 last sunday and so far so good.One question though.When you moved yours to your house did you have any problems with it .After i got mine home it was making some strange noises through the speakers even though nothing was on and the volumne pedal was all the way down.The crunchy/static sounds seem to come and go and don't react to the volumne pedal position.Any thoughts on this. Also did you get a leslie with yours. Jeff in ohio |
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Yahoogroups
Frank Stroupe
For those of you that don't know, Yahoo acquired this email list
service from Egroups, who acquired it from OneList. Obviously, it is unprofitable. Never really understood how Yahoogroups, egroups before it, and Onelist before that, expect to make money off of a free email list anyway. Once you find the groups you are interested in, you seldom go back to the website to see the advertising that pays the bills, and most people don't pay any attention to it anyway. I might consider paying Yahoo a few bucks a year, if they improved their system. Every so often, my password quits working, and when I try to re-register, Yahoo shows that it is still taken. At various times my family has belonged to up to 30 lists, and it is a real pain to unsubscribe from all, then resubscribe under another name. Most of the ones I now belong to I can't get to the website, but never go anyway, and never went to the trouble of un/resubscribing. BUT ONLY A FEW BUCKS A YEAR! Mainly because since I joined this list, I seldom read the others, which have all become boring anyway. BUT, since most people wouldn't pay, all of the Yahoo lists I belong to would probably fall apart, including this great list. There ARE other options, I belong to two lists that run their own servers. The TYPE1 (post-1967 VW Bus) list "passes the hat" every year for donations to offset the cost to the guy that owns the server. Paying is optional, and the guy that runs the server would do it totally out of his pocket anyway. There are 1400 people on the list, and if they get more money than they need, they ask that no one send any more money until that runs out. The type 2 homepage is nicer than the Yahoogroups homepages, AND THEY DON'T SELL THEIR SUBSCRIBER's email addresses. The Blues-L list server is run by a university. (I'm sure that the historical aspect/socioeconomic aspect of Blues music is enough to justify putting that list on the college server) The Blues-L list is shown on Yahoogroups, but does not use their server, and though you can apply to join from the Yahoo site, everything is done elsewhere. They don't sell the addresses either, but by joining through Yahoo, they now have your address. I have no idea what initial costs would be, probably just over a grand if you bought your own server, and maintenance costs probably would involve electricity and telephone bills, probably some other connection costs, and domain maintenance. I would imagine that one could use space on a local ISP server to run a list. The incoming traffic from the list would be probably 1/100 of 1% of the traffic caused by SPAM on that server. The reason I mention selling addresses, there is no doubt in my mind that Yahoo does, as probably do the other free services, which is the only way to make money from this list. I get somewhere between 50 and 125 SPAM every day, and I know that most of it comes from people getting my address from Yahoo, one way or another. I, as probably most of you, get sick of porno ads, Viagra ads, penis and breast enlargement ads, free cell phone, free CD, free satellite TV, credit card, debt reduction, second mortgage, printer cartridge, long distance, ebusiness opportunities, and the ever popular "Finally, a pill that will increase your ejaculation by 581%!" ads. Something to think about in case Yahoo does decide to charge for its services. If I had any Yahoo stock, I'd think about getting rid of that, too, as it would soon be worthless. Frank Stroupe Myrtle, MS |
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Re: [hammond_zone] hooking up a-100 to 47leslie
In a message dated 2/23/2002 8:27:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
godfreys5@... writes: My A-105 HAS the finished back. I'll probably sneak the Leslie cable out the space in front of the tone cabinet connector, it looks like there's enough room for it to fit (barely). You can buy the 6147 kit from several on-line sources, or you could buildIf you move the reverb amp connection to the AO-39, rather than off the back of the speaker (5 minute job with wire cutters, soldering iron, and a couple of wire staples) it may make alternate connections easier. The kit is ridiculously simple.Very true. Does a 6147 come with any kind of switches (I know not half-moon, are they the dinky under-the-keyboard switches) ? I'm thinking of getting the TrekII switch kit that replaces a cheek block and rolling my own hook-up. Well, also, I decided (as always) to be difficult. I wanted to supply theI was wondering about this ... thinking I'd maybe have to wire a line-out adapter like in BITB to connect a 147 to the AO-28. The Hammond FAQ made the comment that a Leslie going through an internal amp may not sound as good as coming direct off the preamp - and yes, this hook-up is with amp-less consoles as well (not that I'm looking, but if someone dropped a B-3 on my doorstep...) To disable the internal speakers I'd have to use load resistors off the back of the AO-39 and NOT use the ones in the 147. The AO-39 hookup looks easier to do, if I'm gonna do it myself I may try that first and see if I'm satisfied with the results before I do any more. Doug |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question
Chris Clifton
Laddie,
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On the 122 RV (and the 147RV), reverb was controlled by a control on the reverb amp. which lives in the top compartment of the speaker next to the rotors. A remote control kit was available as an extra, this added another half moon switch to the console with an extra cable to be laid along side the Leslie cable. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: "Laddie Williams" <laddieray@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question Chris,box? If in the box, is there some sort of easily accessible control?than anything else. Failure of this choke (inductance) in the reverb sectionis a not uncommon fault in the L-100. The distortion produced is not alittle bit, like overdrive, it's more like a guitarist's fuzz box pedal, alsothe reverb will not work when the choke fails. You could try turning thegain control on the organ power amp up to get a bit of overdrive.volume. However more overdrive could be usefull once in a while. Where do I findWith nothe > signal path, much distortion!!!!:-) > >grid > > elementsdone. > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question
Laddie Williams
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On the 122RV is the RV controlled from the console or from the speaker box? If in the box, is there some sort of easily accessible control? Laddie ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Clifton To: hammond_zone@... Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question Gandert, The remark about the distortion on the L was more an attempt at humour than anything else. Failure of this choke (inductance) in the reverb section is a not uncommon fault in the L-100. The distortion produced is not a little bit, like overdrive, it's more like a guitarist's fuzz box pedal, also the reverb will not work when the choke fails. You could try turning the gain control on the organ power amp up to get a bit of overdrive. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gandert De Boo" <bottomline@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question > Chris, > > I have a l100 and I am very plaesed with the way it sounds on full volume. However more overdrive could be usefull once in a while. Where do I find that ''choke of the 12bh7 in the reverb drive unit''? > This isn't a dangerous thing to do, right? > > Gandert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Clifton > To: hammond_zone@... > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question > > > If you want real good diode/class B distortion, get an L-100 and disconnect > the choke from the anode of the 12BH7 in the reverb drive circuit. With no > anode load the grid and cathode of the 12BH7 act as a diode across the > signal path, much distortion!!!! > > From the Weyr and from the Bowl, > Bronze and brown and blue and green, > Rise the dragonmen of Pern, > Aloft on wing, seen, then unseen. > > Chris 50 & Laura 17, Sam(uel)15 and Emily 11 in Llanelli > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "t402_owner" <t402_owner@...> > To: <hammond_zone@...> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:29 AM > Subject: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question > > > > Raul, hi mate > > > > Yes I agree it can be done HOWEVER IMHO I fear diode-like class B > > will sound terribly harsh. IMHO you'll be better off pushing bias > > substantially zerowards (ie class A) and then a diddly notch onto > > heavy compression. Distortion plus grind, dirt and all that stuff > > Laurens was so ashamed of will stand out at lower volume levels :-) > > > > Cheerio > > > > t402 > > > > --- In hammond_zone@y..., "Randall Bush" <raul_de_jalapeno@h...> > > wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > > The input of the second > > > preamp section is a 6J7 pentode connected in super triode > > configuration. I'm > > > going to experiment with the voltage levels on the different grid > > elements > > > to see if I can drive the stage into class B clipping while > > maintaining the > > > same volume level. One thing George Hiatt was talking about is > > adding a > > > little bit of "dirt" at lower gain levels. I think it can be done. > > > > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Visit The Hammond Zone > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 Visit The Hammond Zone To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: hammond_zone-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question
Chris Clifton
Gandert,
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The remark about the distortion on the L was more an attempt at humour than anything else. Failure of this choke (inductance) in the reverb section is a not uncommon fault in the L-100. The distortion produced is not a little bit, like overdrive, it's more like a guitarist's fuzz box pedal, also the reverb will not work when the choke fails. You could try turning the gain control on the organ power amp up to get a bit of overdrive. Chris Clifton There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Douglas Adams ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gandert De Boo" <bottomline@...> To: <hammond_zone@...> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Dirt at lower leves WAS Re: BV question Chris,However more overdrive could be usefull once in a while. Where do I find that ''choke of the 12bh7 in the reverb drive unit''? This isn't a dangerous thing to do, right?disconnect the choke from the anode of the 12BH7 in the reverb drive circuit. Withno anode load the grid and cathode of the 12BH7 act as a diode across the > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 |
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Re: [hammond_zone] Band Contest - we're almost there!
David Hagler
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Re: [hammond_zone] Leslie speaker question
Ken & Dianne Godfrey
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You're right on both counts (weight / space, and reduced signal interference / hum pick-up). BCV-KG -----Original Message----- |
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