Re: [hammond_zone] Re: 9 vs 6 pin

Peter D Abrams

Ok folks. 2 ways to go. If you're not the electronically inclined,
you can order most of these kits from Ham-Suz dealers. I'd recommend
www.GoffProf.com. Dave Vumback is pretty good at sending stuff. Be aware
that these folks take a bit of time processing internet orders, and
won't send you emails regarding shipping status, etc. If you're anxious,
call them. Otherwise just be cool. It'll show up eventually. They're
busy people.

     For the electronically inclined, the source book for all leslie
hookups and pinouts can be found via MITA at Harv Olsen's Leslie Page:



     This will give you the correct info regarding hookups/pinouts/model
numbers, etc. Print it out for reference. It's a Bible. 

Hope this helps,

pda
Jax Fl

Re: [hammond_zone] Re: 9 vs 6 pin

Dan & Connie

#249

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Hello guys

???? Just seen a question on hooking up a 6 pin leslie to an 11 pin VK-7, I'm certainly interested in being able to do that, if there is an adaptor out there please let us know, if not someone should invent one cause I'm sure they could sell enough to retire Ha Ha!

?????

???? Another old hippie fart, Dan

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-----Original Message-----
From: zakemo@... [mailto:zakemo@...]
Sent: June 5, 2001 3:14 PM
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: 9 vs 6 pin

Roger,
?????????I am in the same boat, a variety of mismatched Leslie to organ
cable holes. I heard through the grapevine that there are adapters that will
allow a single Leslie to accept six or nine pin cables and even a 1/4" guitar
type cable! How cool would that be! appreciate any further info on this
subject. ???Bob ??O.H.F.

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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: 9 vs 6 pin

[email protected]

#253

I'm rooting for ya Dan!

Re: [hammond_zone] Re: 9 vs 6 pin

[email protected]

#252

Advice on the options for connecting a real Leslie to a VK-7 is on target overall:  you can order an adpater kit from a Hammond-Suzuki dealer or make one of your own.

Be aware, however, that in the case of a Roland VK-7 or VK-77, the gain on the output is somewhat inadequate and that you are not going to get a ton of volume out of the Leslie.  I'm working on this issue this week with my own VK-77 and 122 and will have some measurement data this weekend (which I will be happy to post).  If you are playing in a jazz combo the gain is probably fine, but if you are playing in a classic rock band like I am, and/or if you want to drive the Leslie into a bit of distortion because you like the sound, then the adapter kits are probably not going to do the trick on the Roland clones.  

The most flexible option is the Trek UC-1A unit. It has two 1/4" inputs (one high gain and one low gain) and four different pin-outs to connect a wide variety of Leslies.  Gain is great, the unit is very well built, and you then get the flexibility to change Leslie cabinets (or run two different Leslies with different pin-outs) easily.  I recommend Trek products highly.  The downsides are cost - it runs around $300 I believe, could be a bit more - and the fact that you have to control the speed with a footswitch versus having keyboard control.  

I'll let you know the facts on actual gain structure as soon as I have a chance to make the various connections and put a meter on the output this weekend.

Dan

MY FIRST HAMMOND!

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Guys I'm the proud owner of a X-5 with a 760 Leslie!!!

?

Gotta try the leslie with my vk-7!

?

What do I have to do? MY LESLIE has 9 pins whilst the VK-7 has 11. I guess I'll have to make a special cable, but how?

?

Any tips will be appreciated!

?

Roger

Soulive

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#246

Soulive is a hot new organ trio featuring Neal Evans on Hammond. They 
recently got picked up by Blue Note and Neal was on the cover of this 
month's Keyboard Magazine. Heard them once about a year ago and 
picked up their demo. Heard Neal many times with Moonboot Lover. 
Great Style, he doesn't kick bass but still kicks ---! If you get a 
chance to see them live - do so. If not, obtain one of their albums.

-Brian

Re: [hammond_zone] B4

#245

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Hi Marc,

?

here it is... Have fun with it... but remember, it's just a demo version... It only works 15 minutes, and random MIDI notes are sent through... It's annoying after a while...

?

Regards, Wim

?

At the left, there is a link to Demoversion...

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From: Marc Saint-Félix

To: Hammond Zone

Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:10 PM

Subject: [hammond_zone] B4

Hey Wim,

Where can I?download that B4 native instruments thing ? I'd like to hear it. Can you please send me the URL?

Thanks in advance,

?

Marc.

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Lee Michaels

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Hi Bob!

?

I went to cd now and listened to some tracks.? It?s very nice to hear that stuff that still sounds fresh today.? Here is the link that takes you to his page at cd now with lots of audio.

?

Have fun;

?

Peter Blue??

?

Re: 9 vs 6 pin

[email protected]

#248

Roger,
?????????I am in the same boat, a variety of mismatched Leslie to organ
cable holes. I heard through the grapevine that there are adapters that will
allow a single Leslie to accept six or nine pin cables and even a 1/4" guitar
type cable! How cool would that be! appreciate any further info on this
subject. ???Bob ??O.H.F.

Re: [hammond_zone] B4

Fetter, Brad

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You can download it at ?

?

-- Brad

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?-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Saint-Félix [mailto:marc.saint-felix@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 7:11 AM
To: Hammond Zone
Subject: [hammond_zone] B4

Hey Wim,

Where can I?download that B4 native instruments thing ? I'd like to hear it. Can you please send me the URL?

Thanks in advance,

?

Marc.

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Re: [hammond_zone] MY FIRST HAMMOND!

Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS

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Hi there,

?

It is fairly easy to connect 9 and 11 pin leslies. problems starts when you get into the 6-pin connected Leslies. (A matter of Power).? I have done the trick with the 9-11 issue several times.

?

If you have possibility to work with electronics it is no big deal. I made the scematics and they are easy to use. If not you must have someone to make it.

?

Let me know if I can assist you with details.

?

Best regards

Lars

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-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Ruggero <roger.gentile@...>
Til: hammond_zone@... <hammond_zone@...>
Dato: 5. juni 2001 22:32
Emne: [hammond_zone] MY FIRST HAMMOND!

Guys I'm the proud owner of a X-5 with a 760 Leslie!!!

?

Gotta try the leslie with my vk-7!

?

What do I have to do? MY LESLIE has 9 pins whilst the VK-7 has 11. I guess I'll have to make a special cable, but how?

?

Any tips will be appreciated!

?

Roger

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Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future

#240

We live in a small place 30 km north of munich, Germany!

Best of luck;

P.

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Hey Blue Star,
  Right on....that's the way to do it! Whereabouts
are you folks located? Anywhere near Colorado?
                        Keep it spinnin'
                                    Jimmy

B4

Marc Saint-Félix

#242

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Hey Wim,

Where can I?download that B4 native instruments thing ? I'd like to hear it. Can you please send me the URL?

Thanks in advance,

?

Marc.

Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future

Jimmy Lange

#239

Hey Blue Star,
   Right on....that's the way to do it! Whereabouts
are you folks located? Anywhere near Colorado?
                         Keep it spinnin'
                                     Jimmy

Peter Blue & Elisabeth Star aka Blue Star wrote:

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Hello Jimmy!
We have added a tube driven spring reverb to Elisabeth???s C3.  Although we
have modern and vintage reverb machines in the studio  (EMT gold foil plate)
it is the swirl of the reverb tail thru the leslie 147 that makes things
interesting.  It is a unit that could easily be installed via a tube socket
plug in.  We love it.
But as far as studio is concerned - we give every artist the desired amount
of reverb during monitoring as it really affects the mood and hence the
performance.    To hear the C3 with the reverb you can play the following
song that is currently nr. 11 in the mp3 Blues Rock Charts.



We are very successful on that site with over 20 top - 40 positions in
various genres from 2 to 38

All our tracks can (still) be played and downloaded for free from
  and 2 Blue Star Cds are available from that
site as well  
Most every track has the C3 on it, although sometimes in a subtle way that
is not cecognized immediately  (yes, we use more registrations than
888000000) A track that features the hammond is Sarah???s Prayer from the
gospel charts   
Finally a big thank you to hammond-zone member Jeff Dairiki for his kind
help with our little noise problem.
Thank you Jeff!! and love to all of you - keep that rotor spinning!!

Peter Blue & Elisabeth Star aka Blue Star

P.S - as for the tone vs clone battle:  We developed from Roland D 110 with
organ sounds to Korg cx3, dynacord leslie simulator, Hammond L 100, Allsound
Leslie, Hammond C3 and finaly Leslie 147.
At each step of our development we believed we now had the sound nailed.
Not true until we got the c3 with leslie 147 in 1993.  Didn???t change
anything since.  Puts a big grin on my (guitarists ) face each time
Elisabeth plays it.   But we are far from being fanatic.   Would love to
have that sound in a mobile package.
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Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future

#238

Hello Jimmy!
We have added a tube driven spring reverb to Elisabeth???s C3.  Although we
have modern and vintage reverb machines in the studio  (EMT gold foil plate)
it is the swirl of the reverb tail thru the leslie 147 that makes things
interesting.  It is a unit that could easily be installed via a tube socket
plug in.  We love it.
But as far as studio is concerned - we give every artist the desired amount
of reverb during monitoring as it really affects the mood and hence the
performance.    To hear the C3 with the reverb you can play the following
song that is currently nr. 11 in the mp3 Blues Rock Charts.



We are very successful on that site with over 20 top - 40 positions in
various genres from 2 to 38

All our tracks can (still) be played and downloaded for free from
  and 2 Blue Star Cds are available from that
site as well  
Most every track has the C3 on it, although sometimes in a subtle way that
is not cecognized immediately  (yes, we use more registrations than
888000000) A track that features the hammond is Sarah???s Prayer from the
gospel charts   
Finally a big thank you to hammond-zone member Jeff Dairiki for his kind
help with our little noise problem.
Thank you Jeff!! and love to all of you - keep that rotor spinning!!

Peter Blue & Elisabeth Star aka Blue Star

P.S - as for the tone vs clone battle:  We developed from Roland D 110 with
organ sounds to Korg cx3, dynacord leslie simulator, Hammond L 100, Allsound
Leslie, Hammond C3 and finaly Leslie 147.
At each step of our development we believed we now had the sound nailed.
Not true until we got the c3 with leslie 147 in 1993.  Didn???t change
anything since.  Puts a big grin on my (guitarists ) face each time
Elisabeth plays it.   But we are far from being fanatic.   Would love to
have that sound in a mobile package.

Re: [hammond_zone] B4-Reverb-Hammonds future

Jimmy Lange

#236

Hey Hammond-lovers,
    You touched on a real interesting point
concerning reverb and hearing it while you
play. I find reverb and a little touch of delay
to be totally inspiring to my performance
especially on solos...it just makes you use the
expression pedal with so much more punch
and emotion. I can't speak for Jimmy Smith,
but it has been my experience that most studios
send you a dry mix as the tracks are recorded
that way with the intent of all " sweetening "
to come in the final mix-down. It is commonly
held belief that dry tracks provide the most
accurate baseline for analysis of track content.
I'm not entirely sure I agree with that, but
that's how it is in most pro studios, at least in
my experience.
   As for me, I ALWAYS have a touch of verb
applied in my monitor/phones when I track here
at home. And my live rig has stereo effects ( thru
a custom 2500 watt system ) and is glorious to
sit in front of and play! The Leslie 122 is mic'd
top & bottom and then of course effects come
after. It really helps me do what I feel is my best
work within my ability....it's a HUGE fat sound,
that's for sure!
                     Happy Hammonding!
                                      Jimmy

Ron Newman wrote:

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"Weak at best". Ok, but Bob, I suppose you listen to the your XB-2 through a
good speaker? What speaker did you listen to the B4 through?

And the B4 has no integral reverb so you have to add that somehow. I've got
a Midiman soundcard that I put it through but that doesn't give real time
reverb. I then put it through a couple of Mackie HR824 studio speakers, but
they crack up at a reasonable volume, but up to that the sound is good, but
to get reverb I put the B4 throught a Peavey KB60 speaker with spring
reverb. That sort of does the job.

I mean listen to Jimmy Smith's Organ Grinder Swing, that's got lots of
reverb on it. I suppose it was put on 'post production'? Or do you think it
was created real? So Jimmy could hear it when he played?

I wonder whether there is way to get real time reverb through SoundBlaster
Live. I mean so you can hear it when you play.

Ron.

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From: <zakemo@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future

I think the B4 sounds weak at best! I had a Farfisa that had more balls. I
don't mean to be a purist but lets get real. The closest thing I've heardis
the XB-2 (which I use for small gigs) and even that can readily beidentified
as a clone. If anyone takes exception to my opinion, sound off, I can take
it. But lastly, a hammond clone is better than no hammond at all.     Bob,an
old hippie fart.

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Re: [hammond_zone] The Ultimate Sound

[email protected]

#241

Hey all.
????????? I think for everyone to see where I am coming from you have to
have heard the best rock Hammond player ever born…Lee Michaels! He performed
with only a drummer, played left handed bass, and was surrounded by a wall of
amps pumping out his Leslie. He put out some dipsy tunes for commercial
radio, but don’t judge him by that. If you can get a hold of his
live-in-studio record (circa 1970 simply titled “Lee Michaels”) you will
hear someone who has truly taken The B-3 as far as it can go, which by mortal
standards is beyond comprehension. My point is, after experiencing this
record you will never be able to play any clone without feeling you are in a
high chair, or feeling like you are riding a Moped rather than a Harley. I
urge you all to hunt down this album, crank it up, and get back to the forum
with your thoughts.
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????~ Old hippie fart
Bob from San Diego, California. ~

Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future

Jimmy Lange

#235

Hey Bob,
    I think that's my problem....I'm just an old
hippie fart too and have just gotten so attached
to the sound and feel of my Hammond. The
clones are just fine and dandy for those who
wish to use them. As for me...I'll drag the old
girl on & off stages and up & down stairs until
I no longer can. I hope I've got at least another
20 years in me!
                              Keep it spinnin'
                                           Jimmy

zakemo@... wrote:

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I think the B4 sounds weak at best! I had a Farfisa that had more balls. I
don't mean to be a purist but lets get real. The closest thing I've heard is
the XB-2 (which I use for small gigs) and even that can readily be identified
as a clone. If anyone takes exception to my opinion, sound off, I can take
it. But lastly, a hammond clone is better than no hammond at all.     Bob, an
old hippie fart.

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Re: [hammond_zone] thanks

Jimmy Lange

#234

Hey Bob,
    Me too man....let's talk! What Hammond (s) do
you have and what style of music do you play? Any
great Hammond stories?
                        Keep it spinnin'!
                                  888638248.....Jimmy

Bob Rasmussen wrote:

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I've got it bad....this hammond thing.  Thanks for
letting me into your group.
Bob

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Re: [hammond_zone] Hammonds future

Bob Rasmussen

#232

I've been checking out an M-3.  Does anyone have any
experience with this unit?
--- zakemo@... wrote:
I think the B4 sounds weak at best! I had a Farfisa
that had more balls. I 
don't mean to be a purist but lets get real. The
closest thing I've heard is 
the XB-2 (which I use for small gigs) and even that
can readily be identified 
as a clone. If anyone takes exception to my opinion,
sound off, I can take 
it. But lastly, a hammond clone is better than no
hammond at all.     Bob, an 
old hippie fart.

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