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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Spinet

 

Here is a picture:


Darren


--- In hammond_zone@y..., "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS"
<Hammond@h...> wrote:
The XTP is basically a T-500 in "portable" design with detachable
speakers.
Has absolutely nothing to do with the B-3 generation


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Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Spinet


There is an XTP for sale on Ebay now. Does the XTP have the same
harmonic
persussion setup as the B3, second, fifth..?






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Re: [hammond_zone] some technical questions

 

On Sep 18, 2001, "Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS" said:
What Organ do you work on?
Err. What do you mean?

The notes on

were written with an M3 in mind. However, with the exception of
details like wire colors, the notes should apply equally well to
most spinets (or any organs with built-in amplification.)

Jeff


Re: [hammond_zone] some technical questions

Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
 

What Organ do you work on?



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Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] some technical questions

On Sep 18, 2001, bmarek@... said:
I have a couple of technical questions, as well:

1. What is the best way to get a line out? I currently have a
y-splitter coming off one of the lines leading to the swell pedal, but
I'm not sure if this is the best solution as (a) it doesn't seem to be a
terribly "hot" signal, and (b) it apparently bypasses the reverb.
The direct-box is a good suggestion. Also see:




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Re: [hammond_zone] some technical questions

 

On Sep 18, 2001, bmarek@... said:
I have a couple of technical questions, as well:

1. What is the best way to get a line out? I currently have a
y-splitter coming off one of the lines leading to the swell pedal, but
I'm not sure if this is the best solution as (a) it doesn't seem to be a
terribly "hot" signal, and (b) it apparently bypasses the reverb.
The direct-box is a good suggestion. Also see:


Re: [hammond_zone] some technical questions

Dirk Beintema
 

Hello Brian,

First of all: "A warm welcome to the group!!!" You could have joined the list earlier, because this group counts everybody IN, who loves the Hammond in all his variations...
Congratulations on your L-100 purchase! You didn't tell us, if there's a Leslie involved?

And now to your tech.-questions. I'am not familiar with a line-out on a L-100, but there will be someone to react (sooner or later). Surge the Net for schematics...I know there are a few good solutions, not always for the non-electronics-wierdo BTW.

The second question is hard to diagnose, there are many things that can go wrong:

1. Dust, humid and other particles on all possible circuits. You have to check that first. There could be bad connections or loose wiring.
The sockets of the tubes should be cleaned.
2. Is it a 110V or real (220/240V) Export L-100 or is there a frequency-convertor build-in? Maybe that's bringing you some undesired sound.
3. Bad tubes. Look inside, find the ones which are interchangeable and swop them (shut down the organ beforehand!!!!).


Well, this is what I can bring up now....
Let us know of any progress,
Good Luck!
Dirk

From: bmarek@...
Reply-To: hammond_zone@...
To: hammond_zone@...
Subject: [hammond_zone] some technical questions
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:38:45 -0000

I am reposting this because nobody replied, and I find it hard to
believe that nobody on this list has any insight into these matters -
maybe everybody just missed it?

--- In hammond_zone@y..., Brian Andrew Marek <bmarek@b...> wrote:
Hello, everybody! After several years of "making do" with the
(old-school) Korg CX-3, I am finally the proud owner of a Hammond L-
100,
and am celebrating this purchase by joining this list...

I have a couple of technical questions, as well:

1. What is the best way to get a line out? I currently have a
y-splitter coming off one of the lines leading to the swell pedal,
but
I'm not sure if this is the best solution as (a) it doesn't seem to
be a
terribly "hot" signal, and (b) it apparently bypasses the reverb.

2. My organ is producing some kind of cyclic, scratchy sound. The
volume of this noise is affected by the setting of the swell pedal,
but
the sound is produced whether or not a note is being played. I say
"cyclic" because it's almost reminiscent of playing a scratchy old
record, in that it seems to be a specific pattern of noise that
repeats
at specific intervals. It's not all THAT noticeable while actually
playing, but when not hitting any notes, it's pretty obvious. Is
this
something strange, or is just a quirk one has to learn to live with?

Thanks in advance for your assistance...

BaM

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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Spinet

Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
 

The XTP is basically a T-500 in "portable" design with detachable speakers.
Has absolutely nothing to do with the B-3 generation


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Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Spinet

There is an XTP for sale on Ebay now. Does the XTP have the same harmonic
persussion setup as the B3, second, fifth..?






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Re: [hammond_zone] "Georgia"

Horst Stelzhammer
 

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Von: bluesb3 player [mailto:bluesb3@...]
Gesendet am: Montag, 17. September 2001 20:31
An: hammond_zone@...
Betreff: [hammond_zone] "Georgia"

Last night setting down at my b3---a song came to mind
"Georgia"--
Hi bluesb3,

here are lyrics and accords from "GEORGIA ON MY MIND". Words by Stuart
Gorrel- Music by Hoagy Carmichael. I try to play it in the sound of Jimmy
Smith version on my XB1. Drawbars: 888 000 001
VC3/ 3thPercussion-soft ( from the CD Jimmy Smith "Any number can win" -
Verve 557-447-2)

Try also this: Strophe with 888 000 001 + C2 + 3 Perc-slow +Leslie slow.
Refrain with high sound like the Mc Griff demo of MX1: 800 000 800 V3 Leslie
fast

Much fun to yout and good luck - from Vienna


Intro:

F A7 D7 D7+ D7
- C7
Melodies bring memories that linger in my heart
F A+ A7 Dm G7 Dbdim C13 F -
C7+
Make me think of Georgia, Why did we ev - er part ?
F A7 D7 D7+ D7
G9 - C7
Some sweet day when blossoms fall and all the world???s a song
F A+ A7 Dm G7 Dbdim C13 F
I???ll go back to Georgia ???cause that???s where I belong.

Strophe:

F A7 Dm Gm
Georgia, Georgia, the whole day through,
Bbm F E7 Gm G9 C7 F Gm7
C7+
Just an old sweet song keeps Georia on my mind - (Georgia on my mind)
F A7 Dm Gm
Georgia, Georgia, a song of you
Bbm F E7 Gm G9 C13 F
( - Eb9 F A7 )
Comes as sweet and clear as moonlight through the pines.

Refrain:

Dm Gm6 Dm Bb7 Dm Gm6 Dm7 G7
Other arms reach out to me, other eyes smile tenderly,
Dm Gm6 Dm7 E7 Am F#dim Fm6 Am - C7
Still in peaceful dreams I see, the road leads back to you

F A7 Dm Gm
Georgia, Georgia, no peace I find,
Bbm F E7 Gm G9 C13 F
Just an old sweet song keeps Georgia on my mind.



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direct output from organ

 

Hi. Peavey makes a box called "EDI direct box" This item goes in line
with your speaker output. There is a balanced output suitable for a
board or amp. We have used this before with good results

Steve Hayes


some technical questions

 

I am reposting this because nobody replied, and I find it hard to
believe that nobody on this list has any insight into these matters -
maybe everybody just missed it?

--- In hammond_zone@y..., Brian Andrew Marek <bmarek@b...> wrote:
Hello, everybody! After several years of "making do" with the
(old-school) Korg CX-3, I am finally the proud owner of a Hammond L-
100,
and am celebrating this purchase by joining this list...

I have a couple of technical questions, as well:

1. What is the best way to get a line out? I currently have a
y-splitter coming off one of the lines leading to the swell pedal,
but
I'm not sure if this is the best solution as (a) it doesn't seem to
be a
terribly "hot" signal, and (b) it apparently bypasses the reverb.

2. My organ is producing some kind of cyclic, scratchy sound. The
volume of this noise is affected by the setting of the swell pedal,
but
the sound is produced whether or not a note is being played. I say
"cyclic" because it's almost reminiscent of playing a scratchy old
record, in that it seems to be a specific pattern of noise that
repeats
at specific intervals. It's not all THAT noticeable while actually
playing, but when not hitting any notes, it's pretty obvious. Is
this
something strange, or is just a quirk one has to learn to live with?

Thanks in advance for your assistance...

BaM

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Re: [hammond_zone] Spinet

Dharma Bummer
 

--- Dave Cohen <skorpion9@...> wrote:
so they sound the same. does an L100 have
drawbars?
Yes, says the proud new owner of an L100. :)

But it would be stretching reality a wee bit to say it
"sounds the same" as, say, a B-3. The L-100 has
electronic vibrato instead of scanner vibrato and no
foldback.

Hell of a lot better than the CX-3 I was playing, tho!

BaM

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Re: [hammond_zone] Spinet

Dirk Beintema
 

Well in my opinion.....

The term "Spinet" is probably introduced to put the smaller cabinets aside from the bigger consoles. The word Spinet was used by builders of harpsichords where the strings were in alignment with the keys, situated as in a grand-piano, contrary the strings in a spinet (or virginal) which run along the keys, making it possible to put the whole mechanisme into a smaller casing... Many spinets, especially the virginals, had less keys!! The sound of the smaller "harpsichords" were a bit less pronounced then there bigger counter-brothers and sisters, due to shorter, less strings and the accoustically smaller housing. So, Hammond DID know the History of Keyboards and named the "Spinets" in analogy of that!!....Uuuhmmm, I think...generally...
Have a look at a nice picture of a well-build spinet at

So much for history, just a side-step to for joy!
CU All,
Dirk


From: "Richard B. Ahlvin" <rahlvin@...>
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To: <hammond_zone@...>
Subject: Re: [hammond_zone] Spinet
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:28:26 -0500

What are the differences between spinet and tonewheel organs... Sound..
functions etc...

Dave
I don't know exactly what you are asking.
Spinet is a furniture/cabinet style, tonewheels are a sound generating
scheme.
The spinet is a cabinet configuration that was invented (or engineered) by
Hammond and subsequently used by many other companies usually consisting of
2 44-note offset keyboards and a octave pedals. Any configuration
containing less than the 'standard' minimum of 2 61-note manuals and 32
pedals may be considered a spinet. The Hammonds with 25 pedals were usually
called console organs. Few of their console models contained the 'full' 32
pedal board so they were not 'full sized' organs either. The reduced-sized
upright pianos with drop action are called spinets. I presume the term was
borrowed from piano terminology and applied to the organ.
Tonewheels are a mechanical means of creating the audio sound used in
electronic organs. Primarily used by Hammond, a few other manufacturers
used mechanical systems of some sort, mostly unsuccessfully. Amplified
reeds were successfully used by some companies.
Hammond used tonewheels in both its console and spinet organs. As stated
above, the primary difference was the number of playing keys, pedals and
ancillary controls.
R.Ahlvin


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Re : spinet

Marc Saint-F¨¦lix
 

Hi Dave,
if I'm not mistaken, spinets and consoles does not sound the same for several reason : spinets I've heard about lack the foldback, and some of them are not tube amplified. Eventhough you're talking about a tonewheel generated sound, those 2 differences are very significant in terms of sound.
Cheers,

Marc.


"Georgia" Thanks

bluesb3 player
 

Thanks for sending the chord progression-- this group is priceless!!bluesb3

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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Spinet

Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
 

Hi Wim,

I believe that the use of the word console might come from the general classical organ, where the organ could
be devided into to general parts: The pipes and the playing board...the console.

As the first Hammonds liked to be substitutes to the church organs they adapted the word console, as this was
the word for the playing board. And in that respect the word console on the nameplate nearly is another name for
"organ playing cabinet".

It is a bit tricky, but then again Hammond had to come up with a description for the M-serie in shape that would
differ from the traditional full manual and pedal console.

Best regards
Lars


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Emne: Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Spinet

Hi Darren,

I came to this site...

The pictures show a M3 Spinet model. Only 13 pedals... so far,so good, but when you take a closer look at the plate, it says "CONSOLE"... Did the guys at the Hammond Company know the difference themselves? What were they thinking?

Regards, Wim


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Subject: [hammond_zone] Re: Spinet


Hi.

Spinet= 12-13 note pedalboard
Console= 25-32 note pedalboard

Hammond made both tonewheel and semiconducter versions of their
spinets and consoles.

for instance:
the T, L and M series (eg T200) are all tonewheel spinets.
the F, J, K, XT (eg 146K2 ) series are all semiconducter spinets.
A, B, C series (e.g B3) are all tonewheel Consoles.
Concorde, XH200 are solidstate consoles.


With over 65 years of production features vary. But if you are
looking for a Hammond, make sure you get one with drawbars (not F or
J series). If its for the home and you need a compact spinet...try to
get one with internal Leslie, if you have room for an external
Leslie, the M100 is a rather nice little spinet.

As for a Console, if you want a decent tonewheel model, you will
probably need a Leslie too, I suggest a 122, or a 147. 145's are ok,
but the smaller cabinet means you loose some depth.

Hope this is of some help.

Darren


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Re: [hammond_zone] Spinet

Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS
 

Dear Dave,

Hammond made several tonegenerators and basically therefore you have many different sounds
in the various tonewheel organs. Also the matter of amp and other electronics did play a part in the
sound moulding. And the funny part is that you even find different tonewheel generations in the same
models B's and M's.

Yes the L-100 is a tonewheel organ - with its own generator - and it has drawbars. The Big brother
to the L-100 would be the M-100 but from a technical point of view they have only the look in common.
The M-100 is a fare superior sounding organ and the electronics do tend more to bee in the "B-version"
Again M-100 has its own tonewheel generator, and additional mechanical vib-scanner, unlike the L-100
where the vib. is made electronical.

Best regards
Lars


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Emne: Re: Sv: [hammond_zone] Spinet

so they sound the same. does an L100 have drawbars?

Lars Karstensen - Infinity Trading ApS wrote:

Dear Dave,

Spinet is the name for the organs with split-keyboards (2x49 keys and not 2x61)
and normally only 13 pedals. The big ones are called consoles. Has nothing to do with
tonewheel or newer tech.

best regards
Lars

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What are the differences between spinet and tonewheel organs... Sound..
functions etc...

Dave



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Re: "Georgia"

 

hmm, just listened to that mp3...its got some noise in it...sorry
about that. I'm sure it never used to. I wonder if MP3's can degrade
(a bit like JPEGS do sometimes)?

I'll upload a new one as soon as possible

BTW, the MIDI file will sound very weird unless you have a midi
Hammond, but its interesting for the note data and to see how the
drawbar control works..

Darren


--- In hammond_zone@y..., "bluesb3 player" <bluesb3@h...> wrote:
Last night setting down at my b3---a song came to mind "Georgia"---
i used to
play the song several years ago--- but in the middle--- couldn't
remember
the chord progression---can anyone help---you don't have to list
the words
(though helpfull)- just the chords--guess i could track it down
over the net
-- just thought some-one here might know---- if you don't want to
contact me
through the group please use--
bluesb3@h... thanks- bluesb3

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Re: "Georgia"

 

I have the buskers sheet music with the chords on.

or you can find the mp3 and the midi file here:





Darren



--- In hammond_zone@y..., "bluesb3 player" <bluesb3@h...> wrote:
Last night setting down at my b3---a song came to mind "Georgia"---
i used to
play the song several years ago--- but in the middle--- couldn't
remember
the chord progression---can anyone help---you don't have to list
the words
(though helpfull)- just the chords--guess i could track it down
over the net
-- just thought some-one here might know---- if you don't want to
contact me
through the group please use--
bluesb3@h... thanks- bluesb3

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Re: [hammond_zone] "Georgia"

 

GEORGIA

1st VERSE: F ,Em A7, Dm F, Bb Bdim, F Eb D9, Gm C7, Am D9aug, Gm7 C7aug,

2nd VERSE: F, Em A7, Dm F, Bb Bdim, F Eb7 D9, Gm C7, F Eb9, F A7,

Bridge: Dm Gm6, Dm Bb7, Dm Gm6, Dm7 G7, Dm Gm6, F Bdim E7, Am F#dim, Gm C7
Caug,

(*2nd x To Coda)
3rd VERSE: F, Em A, Dm F, Bb Bdim, F Eb D9, Gm C7,[ F Eb, F Caug (repeat from
top)].

(*Coda) Am, D(b9), Gm Am Bb Bdim, C (break), F F7/Eb, Bb/D Bdim/Db,
C (ritard) F#, F.

Regards,
The Hittman


Re: [hammond_zone] "Georgia"

malcolm aldridge
 

Georgia middle 8
In key of C

Here is one of the many middle 8 progressions. Hope it makes sense. Each
block of 1234
is a bar. By using a simplified first 4 bars, the cromatic bass line in the
second 4 bars has more effect. IMO.
Mal

Am / / / F / / / Am / / / D / / /
1 2 34 1234 1 234 1234

Am / G# dim / C with G bass / B withF# bass /
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

Em / A7 / Dm7 / G7 /
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
From: "bluesb3 player" <bluesb3@...>
To: <hammond_zone@...>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:30 PM
Subject: [hammond_zone] "Georgia"


Last night setting down at my b3---a song came to mind "Georgia"---i used
to
play the song several years ago--- but in the middle--- couldn't remember
the chord progression---can anyone help---you don't have to list the words
(though helpfull)- just the chords--guess i could track it down over the
net
-- just thought some-one here might know---- if you don't want to contact
me
through the group please use--
bluesb3@... thanks- bluesb3

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Re: [hammond_zone] Re: Spinet

 

There is an XTP for sale on Ebay now. Does the XTP have the same harmonic
persussion setup as the B3, second, fifth..?