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Re: Need Help with Amp Supply LK500ZC


 

Not all LK500 amps had QSK and vacuum relay output, it was an option. ?Some had a standard 3PDT relay like an SB220 et Al. ?Even if your amp has a QSK option it’s not working and the previous owner did a CF modification as is clearly shown by those outboard coaxial relays. ?That?said whoever did that probably has a third relay inside the amp for bias switching. ?REGARDLESS OF HAVING THE QSK OPTION OR NOT, THE BIAS SWITCHING IS NOT DONE DIRECTLY WITH ANT TRANSISTOR, THE BIAS IS STILL RELAY SWITCHED WITH CONTACTS IN EITHER?CASE. ?Don’t get bogged down with a bad transistor. ?Now that we know this amp has had the golden screwdriver done to it, it’s time to pop the top and show a photo of the rest area so we can see how the “ tinker” handled the bias switching.



On Thursday, November 30, 2023, 7:44 PM, Adrian Fewster <vk4tux@...> wrote:

The comments about a bad bias contact do not make sense to me ;

If K1C contact was welded (closed #) , which is highly unlikely in such a low current circuit unless a fault current came through, then that may be a possibility.

The issue was in standby , with relay open. If K1C is open and not #; R1 (I requested check in earlier post) would need to be shorted as that provides resistor bias cutoff.

D3 would probably need to be defective as well. The meters seems to work so plate current should be checked on TX with and without drive to check bias current? ?


73


vk4tux


On 1/12/23 09:46, Dave w6de wrote:

There are burnishing tools for exactly this purpose.? Using finger nail files and files for this purpose is risky, as the potential damage of removing too much contact material is high.

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I have one of these:

Here are two more:

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Burnishing tools have very fine almost invisible teeth.? Using a burnishing tool is a safe method for cleaning relay contacts.? Every radio amateur that works on equipment with open frame relays should have one in his tool kit.

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73,

Dave, w6de

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Louis Parascondola via groups.io
Sent: 30 November, 2023 22:56
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Need Help with Amp Supply LK500ZC

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John, you just might have a worn out contact that switches bias on the antenna relay. ?If the contacts are severely pitted they might not make up too good sometimes and other times ok. ?You need to inspect the that set of contacts in particular. ?If you carefully remove the rear spring on the relay you can lift the armature off and inspect all the contacts. ?The contacts that switch the RF can be cleaned gently, the contacts on the bias may be in bad shape, there may be a tiny point on the armature contact and a tiny depression on the body contact. A gentle filing to remove the “pit” and a cleaning should restore reliable contact. ?It’s not unusual at all to see the bias contact hood bad with the age of thst amp especially being used on CW a lot. ?Seen it quit often and by doctoring up the bias?contact that problem went away. ?Lou

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On Thursday, November 30, 2023, 3:58 PM, John Roland <johnroland51@...> wrote:

Lou, Mike, Jim, Adrian and all,
I removed the tubes one at a time.? I let the amp idle (no drive) for 10 minutes with each tube in place individually.?? No signs of anything overheating.? I then replaced both tubes and let it set another 10 minutes, still no sign of overheating.?? I then applied about 20 watts of drive in RTTY mode and was getting around 200 watts out.? (I'm still using my Heathkit watt meter circa 1978)? Attached is a photo of my grid and plate current with that 20 watt drive.? The meter shows 2900 volts when idling and drops to about 2600 when transmitting.?? (I'm operating 240 volts on about a 20 foot length of 12 AWG from the panel.)?
The pictures below are 1.? the front tube at 10 minutes.? 2. the rear tube at 10 minutes? 3. Both tubes back in place after 10 minutes.? 4.? A picture from yesterday of both tubes just after switching off the power (light) which looks to me like both tubes are overheated. 5.? A picture of my meters with 20 watts RTTY drive applied.? The Plate volt meter does return to 0 when switched off.
So it now looks like I may have some kind of an intermittent ??
Thanks again
/John?
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