I'm replying to the thread to give Cherry an SMTP hook (he says the
groups.io web forum is broken... boo-urns).
Cherry, I bet a lot of people would? be interested to hear what you
have to say, if you want to copy/paste the email you sent me into
here? :)
-s-
On 2020-02-10 3:34 p.m., Steven Deobald
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I keep imagining a spectrum on which a new village might fall prey
to outmoded ideologies. I actually think the landscape is more
complex than a simple one-dimensional spectrum, with many
dimensions of varying importance. But the simple spectrum looks
something like this:
Unsustainable (ex. Chicago Suburbs) <----------------->
Hippie Crap (ex. Auroville v.1)
We saw an interesting talk at JLF by a guy who grew up in
Auroville, moved to the US, then moved back to Auroville as an
adult. He made a very strong case against "intentional
communities" and although he didn't say anything revelatory, it
was helpful to hear him call out the ideals which repeatedly fail
in Auroville and other intentional communities: getting rid of
money and adopting a subsistence or favour-based lifestyle is
objectively a bad idea, for example. I think just about any
isolationist ideals will fall under this umbrella.
It's possible to plot any given concept along this spectrum if we
look at it a little more abstractly:
Outsourcing <-----------------> Isolationism
(Again, this clearly isn't the only conceptual spectrum. There's
planned-vs-organic, revolutionary-vs-incremental, etc. But this
spectrum really flags the traps of past experiments.)
I think one of the bigger mistakes we could make early on would be
adopting some radical construction techniques. If there's one
thing I've learned from working on the cabin, it's this: Having a
functional home base is GREAT. Those initial aspects of the
hierarchy of needs can be captured with some measure of
independence: water, sewage, energy. But we should expect these
things to require a lot of external help. Digging a well? Hire a
bore well machine or an earth mover (depending on the well depth).
Sewage is pretty flexible, but expect that you'll prefer the
comforts of home over humanure or a pit toilet before attempting
those things. Energy is either the grid or solar from China.
During construction, it might be a diesel generator.
Of course, if we lean too far in the direction of "outsourcing",
we're again just building summer homes or suburbs: Buy land, hire
contractors, connect to grid power, and forget about the
consequences of anything we're doing. There's a balance to be had,
here, and I think this is where the conversation is the most
valuable: Where do people want to be on this spectrum? Is
positioning ourselves on the spectrum something we want to try to
do collectively or would each home choose its level of
independence (from grid services) on its own?
There are aspects I lump into "the grid" that most people don't,
traditionally: food, clothing, bedding, furniture, etc. Some of
these intentional communities from the 60s and 70s really pushed
hard to avoid external consumption of any kind. Personally, I find
this a little silly. But I'm sure many people think a goal of a
modern, energy-independent village is also silly (I don't).
Curious what other folks hope to get out of this, or if this is
even a spectrum that matters to everyone.
<3
-steven