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Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

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On 19/02/2025 02:17, Mark A. Stevens via groups.io wrote:
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 02:44 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
Hello,
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How do the above Hercules commands compare to the EXIT command after doing a CP SHUTDOWN?
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Thank you,
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Bertram Moshier
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From
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stopall               Stop all CPU's
sysclear             *System Clear Reset manual operation
quit                 *Terminate the emulato
exit                  (Synonym for 'quit')
(*)  Enter "help <command>" for more info.
The above commands are found in the scripts for MVS TK4- and its updates, as well as TK5 and its updates.
"If it's good enough for MVS, it's good enough for VM." <tm> :-)

No need on VM. "CP Shutdown" is fine.
MVS --> Man Versus System

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?... Mark S.
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_._,
Dave
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 


"If it's good enough for MVS, it's good enough for VM." <tm> :-)
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?... Mark S.

VM: Vicious mother, herself
MVS:? Mother's Vicious son, actual.

...Bertram M.
WB8ERT?
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 02:44 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
Hello,
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How do the above Hercules commands compare to the EXIT command after doing a CP SHUTDOWN?
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Thank you,
?
Bertram Moshier
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From
?
stopall               Stop all CPU's
sysclear             *System Clear Reset manual operation
quit                 *Terminate the emulato
exit                  (Synonym for 'quit')
(*)  Enter "help <command>" for more info.
The above commands are found in the scripts for MVS TK4- and its updates, as well as TK5 and its updates.
"If it's good enough for MVS, it's good enough for VM." <tm> :-)
?
?... Mark S.
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Re: bREXX Release 1.1.0 now available

 

bREXX release 1.1.1 is now available at? and at?/g/h390-vm/files/BREXX/BREXX-1.1.1.zip.? There are NO?changes to the bREXX program in this release, except for the version number.? The changes are:
  • Fix packaging errors (thanks for the report, Mark!).
  • Incorporate HELP spelling fixes in??from Stefan.
  • Document DATATYPE(..., 'T').
  • Document limits and restrictions (all inherited from the pre-CMS bREXX).
  • Minor tools HELP corrections.
Ross


On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 11:00?AM Ross Patterson <ross.patterson@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 7:04?PM Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
I am running VM/370 CE V 1 R 1.2. Your directions for the DASD replacement start with:
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1. Download the pre-built release `BREXX.zip` file from the location above to the machine where you run Hercules.
1. Unzip `BREXX.zip`.

Bug #1. I wrote those instructions in Markdown, because my brain was stuck in the mode of improving the .? So every step is number 1. :-( I'll fix that.
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When I unzipped? REXX.ZIP from your site, I get the following files, and I do not see: maintc.direct nor do I see newbrexx.exec

Bug #2.? I'll check the build process.? Those files should be in the package.? For what it's worth, I tested all these procedures as I was writing them, but I did it with a pre-release package that wasn't built on GitHub.? That's a mistake I won't make again.

Ross
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 


In either case enter the following in the Hercules console. This isn't absolutely necessary, but the MVS guys do it and it doesn't hurt to do it for VM.
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STOPALL
SYSCLEAR
QUIT
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Let me know if this is unclear, or doesn't help.


Hello,

How do the above Hercules commands compare to the EXIT command after doing a CP SHUTDOWN?

Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

The whole story:
I watched Prof. Ferland's video, with difficulty because I'm better at reading than watching a movie.
My goal was to define three lines, one towards TK4-, the second towards HMVS (Jay Moseley's system) and the last one for an RJE station.
So I started looking in the documentation and I saw in the sysgen manual that normally in the first phases of the IPL it asked for the time and type of start. Something I had never seen with the VM/370 CE.
As I said, I couldn't find a refernce in the online manuals and I had to ask.
I always use SHUTDOWN and every reboot of VM was automatically done without any request.
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Marco
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 05:55 AM, M Verpelli wrote:
Would that be, in a world of turkeys, a user mod? That would explain why I have not been able to find any mention of it in the manuals available on bitsaver.
You may want to read MAINT MEMO on MAINT 5E5.
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You may also want to read Melinda Varian's "What Mother Never Told You About VM Service (1983)."
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?... Mark S.
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 10:14 AM, M Verpelli wrote:
could you please explain to a person who knows very little about VM/CMS (that's me, the person!) what in VM/370 CE allows to bypass the change TOD request and the start type warm|ckpt|... ?
If it's too long to write here could you direct me to the right documentation?
I believe your problem is related to how you do (or don't) shut down VM. If the warm start data is not saved, then you will get both a TOD and SPOOL question at the next IPL.
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If you have an OPERATOR console open on say 010, enter the command "CP SHUTDOWN" and press enter.

If you don't, then look for your Hercules console, and enter "/CP SHUTDOWN" and press enter.
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In either case enter the following in the Hercules console. This isn't absolutely necessary, but the MVS guys do it and it doesn't hurt to do it for VM.
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STOPALL
SYSCLEAR
QUIT
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Let me know if this is unclear, or doesn't help.
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?... Mark S.
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

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Marco,

yes, logon to maint, do "VMSETUP CP' and "HRCMODS MEMO" lists the user mods for CP. There is a <modnumber> MEMO file for each mod on that disk.
"VMSETUP CMS" will get the "HRCMODS MEMO" file accessed. For some reason the CMS memo files are "MEMO <modnumber> F

.. actually the CMS way makes more sense

Dave

On 07/02/2025 11:55, M Verpelli via groups.io wrote:

Would that be, in a world of turkeys, a user mod? That would explain why I have not been able to find any mention of it in the manuals available on bitsaver.
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Marco
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

NO!
You are the culprit, without your video about RCSC I would not have put my nose in things I should never have touched.
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Changing in
DMKSYS ASSEMBLE
the line
SYSIPL SYSTYPE=WARM
to
SYSIPL SYSTYPE=
I got what I asked for
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Thanks to all
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Marco
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

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On 07/02/2025 11:54, René Ferland via groups.io wrote:
On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 03:02 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
It will be a CP fix, but I can't figure out which..
Could it be DMKCPI HRC036DK on MAINT minidisk 094?

That looks correct.
Just for info log on to maint, do "VMSETUP CP" and there is a MEMO file for each mod on the "F" disk.



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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
Dave
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 03:55 AM, M Verpelli wrote:
Would that be, in a world of turkeys, a user mod?
If DMKCPI HRC036DK is the guilty party, then yes it is a modification from the Hercules community, like (I believe) everything on MAINT minidisk 094.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

Would that be, in a world of turkeys, a user mod? That would explain why I have not been able to find any mention of it in the manuals available on bitsaver.
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Marco
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 03:02 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
It will be a CP fix, but I can't figure out which..
Could it be DMKCPI HRC036DK on MAINT minidisk 094?
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
Re: VM/370 IPL request

 

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Marco,
It will be a CP fix, but I can't figure out which..

Dave

On 06/02/2025 16:14, M Verpelli via groups.io wrote:

Hello,
could you please explain to a person who knows very little about VM/CMS (that's me, the person!) what in VM/370 CE allows to bypass the change TOD request and the start type warm|ckpt|... ?
If it's too long to write here could you direct me to the right documentation?
Thanks
?
Marco
VM/370 IPL request

 

Hello,
could you please explain to a person who knows very little about VM/CMS (that's me, the person!) what in VM/370 CE allows to bypass the change TOD request and the start type warm|ckpt|... ?
If it's too long to write here could you direct me to the right documentation?
Thanks
?
Marco
Re: Problem in legacy EDIT in VM/CE 1.1.2

 

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William,
I don't have a definitive answer, but when I put in some of the other Perkins-Elmer modifications I did see it was very tight on addressability.
I suspect there is no OVERLAY in EE because its a screen editor annd you just overtype.
What are you trying to achieve.
Dave

On 05/02/2025 22:46, William Denton via groups.io wrote:

Is there a reason the REPEAT command in the legacy editor (EDIT) was deleted by HRC342DS??
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Does anyone have a good work around to accomplish the REPEAT/OVERLAY combo?? It does not appear that EE has any OVERLAY command
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cheers,
William
Problem in legacy EDIT in VM/CE 1.1.2

 

Is there a reason the REPEAT command in the legacy editor (EDIT) was deleted by HRC342DS??
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Does anyone have a good work around to accomplish the REPEAT/OVERLAY combo?? It does not appear that EE has any OVERLAY command
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cheers,
William
Re: bREXX Release 1.1.0 now available

 

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 7:04?PM Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
I am running VM/370 CE V 1 R 1.2. Your directions for the DASD replacement start with:
?
1. Download the pre-built release `BREXX.zip` file from the location above to the machine where you run Hercules.
1. Unzip `BREXX.zip`.

Bug #1. I wrote those instructions in Markdown, because my brain was stuck in the mode of improving the .? So every step is number 1. :-( I'll fix that.
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When I unzipped? REXX.ZIP from your site, I get the following files, and I do not see: maintc.direct nor do I see newbrexx.exec

Bug #2.? I'll check the build process.? Those files should be in the package.? For what it's worth, I tested all these procedures as I was writing them, but I did it with a pre-release package that wasn't built on GitHub.? That's a mistake I won't make again.

Ross
Re: bREXX Release 1.1.0 now available

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 04:09 PM, Ross Patterson wrote:
Nope :-) ?It needs the GCC 1.0.1 library, same as bTEXX 1.0.1 did.? That's already present on VM/CE 1.1.1 and 1.1.2.? And if you take the "replace the GCCBRX DASD" installation path, it's on that volume too.
Pick me to be the confused person here. Including the fact I've put this in a director named for Dave and not Ross. Sorry.
I am running VM/370 CE V 1 R 1.2. Your directions for the DASD replacement start with:
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1. Download the pre-built release `BREXX.zip` file from the location above to the machine where you run Hercules.
1. Unzip `BREXX.zip`.
1. Copy the `gccbrx.cckd` file to the folder where you keep your emulated DASD files.1. Copy the `gccbrx.cckd` file to the folder where you keep your emulated DASD files.
1. Log on to `MAINT` on VM.
1. Upload the `maintc.direct` file to VM, add it to your `USER DIRECT` file, and install the updated directory (but see the VM/CE and SixPack note above).
1. Upload the `newbrexx.exec` file to `MAINT` on VM (typically to the `MAINT 5E5` disk) as `NEWBREXX EXEC`.
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When I unzipped? REXX.ZIP from your site, I get the following files, and I do not see: maintc.direct nor do I see newbrexx.exec
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[xmas@vm370dev Wade,_Dave]$ unzip BREXX.zip?
Archive: ?BREXX.zip
? ?creating: BREXX/
? inflating: BREXX/brexxsrc.aws ? ? ?
? inflating: BREXX/brexxbin.vmarc ? ?
? inflating: BREXX/README.md ? ? ? ??
? inflating: BREXX/changelog.txt ? ??
? inflating: BREXX/LICENSE ? ? ? ? ??
? inflating: BREXX/brexxbin.aws ? ? ?
? inflating: BREXX/brexxsrc.vmarc ? ?
? inflating: BREXX/gccbrx.cckd ? ? ??
[xmas@vm370dev Wade,_Dave]$?
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?... Mark S.
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