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Hello!
Very funny. I suggest (strongly, rather strongly) "When HARLIE was
One". It was written by author David Gerrold about 40 or so years ago,
back when computers took up the whole room to work in, in fact HARLIE
could fit into a largish datacenter. David tells me he had HARLIE use
typewriter based I/O devices such as the ones that IBM made who also
used magnetic storage since HARLIE had a bad habit of changing his own
memory to suit what he wanted it to be. However by using the printed
output, the two people involved could steer him back.

CP/67 was written in that era, you'll find people who write of getting TTY's for CP/67 (or was it CTSS?) terminals at home.

HARLIE is what Watson will be when he grows up.

Since HARLIE competed with IBM, that's doubtful.?

OTOH, I think our 2019 MINI Cooper S (a year old this month, ) with it's dedicated 4G cell connectivity is one upgrade away from being a charter member of SkyNet ... and it gets unattended OTA updates,? The navigation system display changed a month ago and WE didn't do anything.? (The Year of Darkness is only 10 years away ...)

You find the Release 2.0 one on his home page. My hardcopy of his
original text bears the signature.

I have the original, not autographed.? I saw release 2.0 in bookstores back in 1980's, but didn't buy it.? It seemed like it would be in stuck its (different) era like the original. Robert A. Heinlein considered some of revising some of his early stories after more science became known, but realized it would be endless and he passed on it.

Incidentally what's with the decidedly big house cat sitting next to you?

Link?? Probably one of the Catzilla brothers ().?

They are Billy & Whitey, named after the Bulger bothers ( -- we lived in Boston at the time of their adoption.

On 10/26/19 2:31 AM, Peter Coghlan wrote:

Back in the early 1990s, when I would call IBM (in Ireland) looking for support
with VM/HPO, the first question the person taking my call would ask was:

"Is that hardware or software?"

When I answered "software", the next question would usually be:

"What version of OS/2 are you running?"

Certain OS/2 binary system data files were known for getting easily corrupted and causing crashes.? IBM support was telling customers do a clean reinstall of OS/2 so often that it was a bad cliche.? IBM banned telling customers that, and so support had to hint at it. :-)

From my .sig file data:

"OS/2, the system so good you can't install it just once" -- Dave Gomberg

-ahd-

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I got VM/SP account from LCM and am now learning how to use CMS and CP commands as well as XEDIT editor and PF/PA keys.

See ; I'll take suggestions on it (send mail directly to me).?

Also look at , which may help you with the AID keys.

-ahd-

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?I am not sure when XEDIT appeared, SP1 I think or REXX . Whilst folks have written a screen mode editor and installed a portable REXX on VM//370 they don’t interact in the same way that XEDIT and REXX do on VM/SP which means many things don’t work.

A short VM/SP history summary:

• VM/SP 1 (I think, I didn't show up until VM/SP 3).
• IUCV
• XEDIT
  
• EXEC2
  
• VM/SP 3
  
• REXX
• VM/SP 4
• GCS
• DIAG x'8C' (querying your console display size)?
  
• VM/SP 5
• Full Screen CMS
  
• VM/SP 6
  
• Shared File System (SFS)

Thus, the LCM+L 4361 running VM/SP 5 has all of the above except SFS.

I think the primary reason for GCS's existence was to support running VTAM natively on VM/SP; previously it had to be in a guest machine such as VS/1.

By VM/SP 4 IBM had a revised version of the RSCS Program Product running under GCS.? It also had TCP/IP (running on CMS). The 4361 doesn't have either installed (they do have the media) because of a lack of the associated hardware.

-ahd-

p.s. Insert my usual disclaimer: I do not work for and not speak for the LCM+L.

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Hello!
Read this and react:

"
Depending on how you look at it, the Internet turned 50 years old last
week (
) . On October 29, 1969, the first message was transmitted between two
of the four nodes that made up ARPANET, the Internet's predecessor
network. ARPANET was created after a million dollars earmarked for
ballistic missile defense was diverted from the Advanced Research
Projects Agency budget to research packet-switched networks. It's said
that ARPANET was designed to survive a nuclear war; there's plenty of
debate about whether that was a specific design goal, but if it was,
it certainly didn't look promising out of the gate, since the system
crashed after only two characters of the first message were sent. So
happy birthday, Internet, and congratulations: you're now old enough
to start getting junk mail from the AARP ( ) ."

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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

Hi there,

I just joined this groups.io thing. Was I supposed to have some
announcement via the Yahoo list to join here? If so, it didn't work,
since I don't recall receiving anything. The last thing I have was a
thread from 15 october titled "[H390-VM] Yahoo Groups to remove many
features.".

But now I'm here and and all is well :)

-Olaf (once upon a time U613042@HNYKUN11 and others).
--
Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert -- rhialto at falu dot nl
___ Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on
\X/ no account be allowed to do the job. --Douglas Adams, "THGTTG"

Olaf,

There is no compulsion. The Yahoo group still works for e-mail. Just mails
can't be retained and nor can files.
I was hoping to populate the wiki as well with some instruction but got
side-tracked by a fault on my 3174...

Dave

But perhaps we should put a posting on yahoo groups redirecting to here. Have 2 forums going is going to be confusing.....

Hi All!!

I'm trying to work with the VM/370 sixpack 1.3 Beta 3 and it looks like
a really nice piece of work! Thank's Dave Wade and everybody who put in
the work and made it available for us clueless folk :-)

I was able to set up a RSCS virtual machine. However, after I IPL'ed
RSCS and did a "SET SMSG ON". I disconnected and logged into the MAINT
account. I tried the following and this is what happened:

q n
RSCS???? - DSC, OPERATOR - 009, CMSBATCH - DSC, CPWATCH? - DSC
MAINT??? - 0C0
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 15:46:47
smsg rscs q sys
RSCS???? NOT RECEIVING; NOT AUTHORIZED
Ready(00057); T=0.01/0.01 15:47:12

I tried looking around for clues about why this is happening, but I
guess my Google fu has failed me. Anybody have a clue what I may be
doing wrong? I know more about MVS and am quite the newbie with VM :-)

Bill Doughty, N2OCM

(retired MVS and UNIX/Linux guy)????????????

ps: sorry if you received this message twice, as I wasn't sure which
list is now the preferred e-mail address these days.

Hi All!!

I'm trying to work with the VM/370 sixpack 1.3 Beta 3 and it looks like
a really nice piece of work! Thank's Dave Wade and everybody who put in
the work and made it available for us clueless folk :-)

I was able to set up a RSCS virtual machine. However, after I IPL'ed
RSCS and did a "SET SMSG ON". I disconnected and logged into the MAINT
account. I tried the following and this is what happened:

q n
RSCS???? - DSC, OPERATOR - 009, CMSBATCH - DSC, CPWATCH? - DSC
MAINT??? - 0C0
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 15:46:47
smsg rscs q sys
RSCS???? NOT RECEIVING; NOT AUTHORIZED
Ready(00057); T=0.01/0.01 15:47:12

I tried looking around for clues about why this is happening, but I
guess my Google fu has failed me. Anybody have a clue what I may be
doing wrong? I know more about MVS and am quite the newbie with VM :-)

Hi Bill,

There was some sort of misunderstanding between Dave and I and somehow
the VM/370 sixpack 1.3 Beta 3 download page ended up saying there were
RSCS updates included but they never actually got included.

The RSCS that comes with VM/370 is very limited and is not capable of
responding to SMSG commands. It only accepts commands on the RSCS
console.

I have some rough and ready updates for RSCS that can help with this if
you want to give them a try.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Bill Doughty, N2OCM

(retired MVS and UNIX/Linux guy)????????????

ps: sorry if you received this message twice, as I wasn't sure which
list is now the preferred e-mail address these days.

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Hi All!!

I'm trying to work with the VM/370 sixpack 1.3 Beta 3 and it looks like
a really nice piece of work! Thank's Dave Wade and everybody who put in
the work and made it available for us clueless folk :-)

I was able to set up a RSCS virtual machine. However, after I IPL'ed
RSCS and did a "SET SMSG ON". I disconnected and logged into the MAINT
account. I tried the following and this is what happened:

q n
RSCS???????? - DSC, OPERATOR - 009, CMSBATCH - DSC, CPWATCH?? - DSC
MAINT?????? - 0C0
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 15:46:47
smsg rscs q sys
RSCS???????? NOT RECEIVING; NOT AUTHORIZED
Ready(00057); T=0.01/0.01 15:47:12

I tried looking around for clues about why this is happening, but I
guess my Google fu has failed me. Anybody have a clue what I may be
doing wrong? I know more about MVS and am quite the newbie with VM :-)

Hi Bill,

There was some sort of misunderstanding between Dave and I and somehow
the VM/370 sixpack 1.3 Beta 3 download page ended up saying there were
RSCS updates included but they never actually got included.

The RSCS that comes with VM/370 is very limited and is not capable of
responding to SMSG commands.  It only accepts commands on the RSCS
console.

I have some rough and ready updates for RSCS that can help with this if
you want to give them a try.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Hi Peter,

I would be glad to give your updates a try. By any chance would this update include your work with TCPNJE? If so that would be awesome. I'm somewhat aware of the great work you have done is this area.

One of my longer term goals is to have vm/370, linux and the tk4- MVS systems all talking to each other. But I wanted to have at least a pair of vm/370 systems talking first.

Any assistance you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Bill Doughty, N2OCM

(retired MVS and UNIX/Linux guy)

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Hi Bill,

I would be glad to give your updates a try. By any chance would this
update include your work with TCPNJE? If so that would be awesome. I'm
somewhat aware of the great work you have done is this area.

As well as the ability to accept SMSG commands, I also have updates to enable
VM/370 RSCS to host NJE links (just about!). The latter co-operate with
TCPNJE devices which are part of Hercules and between them allow NJE links
to be carried over the internet.

One of my longer term goals is to have vm/370, linux and the tk4- MVS
systems all talking to each other. But I wanted to have at least a pair
of vm/370 systems talking first.

I am completely clueless about MVS but I believe others may be working on
NJE connectivity for MVS. For linux, there is funetnje.

Any assistance you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

I'll send you an email.

Regards,
Peter.

Best regards,

Bill Doughty, N2OCM

(retired MVS and UNIX/Linux guy)

Hi Peter.,

On 12/8/2019 5:31 PM, Peter Coghlan wrote:

As well as the ability to accept SMSG commands, I also have updates to enable
VM/370 RSCS to host NJE links (just about!). The latter co-operate with
TCPNJE devices which are part of Hercules and between them allow NJE links
to be carried over the internet.

Cool!

One of my longer term goals is to have vm/370, linux and the tk4- MVS
systems all talking to each other. But I wanted to have at least a pair
of vm/370 systems talking first.

I am completely clueless about MVS but I believe others may be working on
NJE connectivity for MVS. For linux, there is funetnje.

Thanks, I was aware of funetnje. Found it on GitHub. I wanted to make a
few cosmetic changes to it, mostly where things install and where the
spool files and config files live. Unfortunately my laptop with the
changes I made were at least temporally lost as the hard drive failed.

As for MVS, I just hoped that I could at least use RSCS as a RJE
station. But that is for future investigation. I know th4- will do RJE
as I was able to get the rje80 program to connect and send a job and
receive its' printout. I just hope I could get RSCS to do the same.

Any assistance you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

I'll send you an email.

Regards,
Peter.

Best regards,

Bill Doughty, N2OCM

(retired MVS and UNIX/Linux guy)

Hi Bill,

Thanks, I was aware of funetnje. Found it on GitHub. I wanted to make a
few cosmetic changes to it, mostly where things install and where the
spool files and config files live. Unfortunately my laptop with the
changes I made were at least temporally lost as the hard drive failed.

I think several different people are all independently tweaking funetnje
to update it so there is probably a lot of duplicated effort going on :-(

As for MVS, I just hoped that I could at least use RSCS as a RJE
station. But that is for future investigation. I know th4- will do RJE
as I was able to get the rje80 program to connect and send a job and
receive its' printout. I just hope I could get RSCS to do the same.

I believe that setup can be made to work. However, some do not regard it
as not completely satisfactory because MVS is only able to interact with
nodes directly connected to it ie it cannot send files to distant nodes
on an NJE network.

Any assistance you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

I'll send you an email.

I've sent you a zip file of RSCS updates.

Regards,
Peter.

Hi Bill

I am one of those people Peter mentioned ;-)

During the past weeks I created a proof of concept implementation of funetnje targeting at providing an "NJE helper" on the Hercules host that makes an MVS 3.8 system running on that host participate in an NJE network, without needing to make any modifications to JES2. It currently works quite well (RECFM F/FB, LRECL 80 only, by now) on Linux and MacOS hosts (others not yet, simply because I didn't adapt the source). In Peter's inofficial new EARN/Bitnet NJE network my online TK4- system participates as node CZHETH3C using this NJE helper POC. All who are interested can download the POC from? (do so at your own risk, this is a proof of concept, not a production software).
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