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Clone FT817 to FT818


 

From: Leicester Hibbert <rhi55057@...>
Sent: Sunday, 20 October 2024 4:28 PM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Subject: Clone FT817 to FT818

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Hi All,

I’m having trouble trying to clone a FT817 to a friend’s FT818 using FTBasicMMO with a CT-62 cable, and a direct Clone Cable as described on P69 of the FT817 Handbook.

In both cases the procedure ends abruptly with an error message. Am I wrong to think it should work?

73

Leicester Hibbert VK4ALH

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G’day Leicester,
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Good question, wish I could give you an answer!
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Perhaps the 817 and the 818 are just different enough that a clone from one to the other won’t work?
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Maybe another approach like using Chirp to read the 817 then transfer that to the 818?
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Just a thought...
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73,
Steve VK2ARS
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From: Leicester Hibbert via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2024 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ft817] Clone FT817 to FT818
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From: Leicester Hibbert <rhi55057@...>
Sent: Sunday, 20 October 2024 4:28 PM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Subject: Clone FT817 to FT818

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Hi All,

I’m having trouble trying to clone a FT817 to a friend’s FT818 using FTBasicMMO with a CT-62 cable, and a direct Clone Cable as described on P69 of the FT817 Handbook.

In both cases the procedure ends abruptly with an error message. Am I wrong to think it should work?

73

Leicester Hibbert VK4ALH

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Note that RT Systems shows a different product to program the FT-817 than for the FT-818. On models that have identical systems, such as the Yaesu FT-897 and FT-837, they sell the same program, in the same package to cover both. I would suggest that there is, as you suggest, some small difference between the two.
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73,
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-Bill Shadid, W9MXQ?


 

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I would suggest using Chirp. A direct clone may not be possible due to hardware changes. Chirp works very well with my 817ND, just follow the instructions in software.?

73

Kevin Mullens
K5KTM


On Oct 20, 2024, at 08:24, William Shadid via groups.io <w9mxq@...> wrote:

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Note that RT Systems shows a different product to program the FT-817 than for the FT-818. On models that have identical systems, such as the Yaesu FT-897 and FT-837, they sell the same program, in the same package to cover both. I would suggest that there is, as you suggest, some small difference between the two.
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73,
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-Bill Shadid, W9MXQ?


 

There is also FT-817 Commander, I don't know if it works on the 818. Chirp should work though.


 

Is there really that much of a difference between the two models to be concerned about an upgrade?

Joe N1KHB?


On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 1:47 PM, Tobias KK7BCO/2M0TFF
<feltusfecit1@...> wrote:
There is also FT-817 Commander, I don't know if it works on the 818. Chirp should work though.


 

I was unable to directly clone between an FT-817 "unmodified", and an FT817 "modified" i.e. "wide-banded" radios.
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First I downloaded a data-file from the target radio and populated it (copy and paste) with the required entries from a data file downloaded from the source radio. I was then able to upload the edited data file to the target radio. I used CHIRP.
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As another example, I have found that widebanding a VX-6 radio alters its signature, so direct cloning between a modified and nonmodfied VX-6 is not possible.? I suspect the signature of an 817 is not the same as that from 818, so to "clone" between them you need to use the procedure above.
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Gordon VE3JSJ


 

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Joseph,

The OP isn't talking about upgrading from FT-817 to FT-818, he wants to clone memories and settings from one to the other.

If he were considering an upgrade from one to the other, there is the issue of vendor repair if the radio breaks - first model FT-817 (non-ND) are no longer able to be repaired by Yaesu, according to recent reports. That could be an issue for some, since the original FT-817 radios are as much as 20 years old...

But, function/specification-wise, yes, the radios are nearly identical.

Ken, N2VIP

On Oct 20, 2024, at 13:41, Joseph Wonoski via groups.io <N1khb@...> wrote:

?Is there really that much of a difference between the two models to be concerned about an upgrade?

Joe N1KHB?


On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 1:47 PM, Tobias KK7BCO/2M0TFF
<feltusfecit1@...> wrote:
There is also FT-817 Commander, I don't know if it works on the 818. Chirp should work though.


 

Ah. Memories weren't mentioned, hence the confusion.

J


On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 10:38 AM, Ken N2VIP
<ken@...> wrote:
Joseph,

The OP isn't talking about upgrading from FT-817 to FT-818, he wants to clone memories and settings from one to the other.

If he were considering an upgrade from one to the other, there is the issue of vendor repair if the radio breaks - first model FT-817 (non-ND) are no longer able to be repaired by Yaesu, according to recent reports. That could be an issue for some, since the original FT-817 radios are as much as 20 years old...

But, function/specification-wise, yes, the radios are nearly identical.

Ken, N2VIP

On Oct 20, 2024, at 13:41, Joseph Wonoski via groups.io <N1khb@...> wrote:

?Is there really that much of a difference between the two models to be concerned about an upgrade?

Joe N1KHB?


On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 1:47 PM, Tobias KK7BCO/2M0TFF
<feltusfecit1@...> wrote:
There is also FT-817 Commander, I don't know if it works on the 818. Chirp should work though.


 

Clone memory frome 817 to 818
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It has been a while so I don't remember how or why I know this but the 818 requires a different cable between it an Chirp

This (image) solved my issue
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72 73
John
N3AAZ
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ps...
I no longer have the 817 or its clone cable?
But WHAT IF ?the difference is only drivers
See image for? drivers
n3aaz