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Does anyone have a good plan for a burner that doesn't require machining?

See if you can find info on Mike Porter's Mikey burners. Mostly black Iron pipe & fittings. He did a book: https://www.amazon.com/Gas-Burners-Forges-Furnaces-Kilns/dp/1879535203 borrow it if you can't afford to buy it. Excellent work. He was also known as Dr. Frankenburner on the Yahoo Groups. Some of his stuff may have survived in the WayBack machine, too. Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. SEMPER GUMBY! Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome. Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better. Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first. On Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 04:33:16 PM CST, Drag via groups.io <dragnfyr@...> wrote: Does anyone have a good plan for a burner that doesn't require machining?

I was laid up with a bunch of medical problems when I started with Yahoo groups. Spent most of two years having and recovering from a variety of surgeries, plus learning to live with obstructive sleep apnea and a CPAP machine. Had LOTS of spare time, and needed desperately to have something fun to do, and had very little income. Yahoo groups was it, and then I helped several groups transition to groups.io, and there were quite a few that didn't need any help, either. I actually own (had to go count) 7 groups, and moderate for a few more. For none of the ones I own am I the sole owner. I was a member of several mini-lathe groups owned by J.W. Early at Yahoo back when he passed away unexpectedly, and those groups really did die. I'm also retired now, and have a bit more time to devote so I might just join a few more groups, as time goes by. ;) What you need for a furnace depends on what you want to do. If you want to make more belt buckles, you can do with a coffee can furnace, for example. If you want to cast lathe beds, you need something bigger. David Gingery wrote a whole series of seven books on building a machine shop from scratch from aluminum cans and scrap aluminum. Started with a charcoal fired furnace that would melt about 1 quart of aluminum. There are a bunch of folks in the Gingery group who started that way. Also a bunch more who tried it and gave it up. I'm among that latter group, actually, but if you know absolutely nothing and want to learn really bad, if you do it you will be a pretty good metalworking and machinist by the time you finish. A good source of info if you don't find what you need in the file section would be archive.org. They have a lot of the old metalworking and machining and foundry practice books from the mid-19th century to the early 20th century. Also search Stephen Chastain, David Gingery, Vince Gingery, Rick Sparber, Lionel Oliver II, C. W. Ammen, Michael Porter, and a load of other folks. I have been trying to do this stuff seriously for for the past 13 years or so, and have not even gotten close to finding all the good sites, books, videos, and people that could be of help. Look at YouTube, and see if there is a model engineering group in your area, as well. Yeah, Covid has messed a lot of stuff up, but things are coming back. Where are you located, at least roughly? Houston has a really active metalworking group. OKC used to have one, but it's fallen... Phoenix, there is the New England Model Engineering Society NEMES, and there are several other groups up and down the east and west coast, among many other places. I sign as Bill in OKC, but I really live in a little postage-stamp suburb surrounded by OKC proper. I can't actually spit into OKC from my house, but can pitch a rock over my across-the-street neighbor's house and have it land in OKC. There is a diner in Del City (my little postage stamp town), where a group of railroad enthusiasts meet at 8am Saturday mornings. Some of them are also machinists and metalworkers, and right now it's the only group of folks I know who still meet up. I'm sure there are other but don't know how to get ahold of them anymore. The Model Engineering Society of Oklahoma (MESoO) was run, sort of, by my friend Bill Hinkle, but was fading away before he passed in April of 2020. I keep thinking about trying to revive it, myself. There were a bunch of folks who were way better organizers and metalworkers than I'll ever be, and sometimes I wonder if they're as bummed out by the group seeming to evaporate as I am. Also, search groups.io, and see if there are other groups near you. If it turns out you're not in the US, there are groups in England, the UK in general, and Canada, and many other countries. My first batch of decent metalworking tools I picked up in Turkey when I was stationed there in the mid-80's. There are tons of books available on Amazon, and at many of the online booksellers like Powell's, too. Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: SEMPER GUMBY! Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome. Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better

I'm from Whittier, about as far from it as I could get. ;) When I lived there, and I left in 1973, there was very active lapidary club, but I didn't find out about it until after I left. Took a machine shop class just before I graduated from high school there that year, and loved the machining, wanted to do it again, but wasn't smart enough at the time to take positive steps for it. Read and dreamed about what I could make and do, and did some jewelry-type metalworking, and lapidary in base hobby shops at the Air Force bases I was stationed at until they all shut down. Spent some time looking for a lathe and a shaper, but didn't get to buy a lathe until 2008. You might check these folks out, if you didn't already know about them: https://www.schsm.com/ They're in Torrance. Found them here: https://homeshopmachinist.net/community/clubs/ That list isn't very big, and I don't think it's up to date. There is another club listed as in the Santa Clara Valley, up north, but it lists a Yahoo address, and Yahoo evaporated about a year ago. There was a model engineering society here, but it sort of fell apart and the only guy I knew a phone number for, my friend Bill Hinkle, passed away in April 2020. There was also a casting and foundry group, and I lost touch with them, too. I have the stuff to make a popcorn tin foundry, and at one time had a worn-out 20gallon water heater body for a larger furnace. Unfortunately, my little town is death on junk piles. Dang it! Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: SEMPER GUMBY! Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome. Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better

Not quite, but not for lack of trying, either! Before those of us who survived at Yahoo finally got chased out, I was in over 100 groups. Not all were metalworking, but most were. Some lapidary and jewelry and SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) where I did a bit of armouring, some jewelry, and arty stuff. Had some medical problems in 2008/2009 that crashed a teaching career that was really just starting out, and got into machining. I've done a tiny bit of casting in aluminum, and wanted to do a great deal more of it brass or bronze, and iron. Partly that was to make casting that could be machined into tools or other machines. So far that has not happened, but I have the stuff to build a small furnace here. At the moment I'm working on getting my workshop put together and organized. Been doing that for about 13 years or so, but can finally see some progress. I have a functional lathe, a couple of small mills that could be functional with just a bit more work, a Smithy 3-in-1 machine likewise, an anvil but no forge, my dad's old Craftsman drill press, and a Lewis Shaper, and heaven alone knows what all else. I did lose a bunch of tooling and lapidary stuff when my rental storage was broken into several years ago, and have decided not to replace stuff until I know what all I have left and what is missing... Except that I have some projects going and there's stuff coming to fill holes needed for those. Lots of talk, not quite as much do as I'd like yet. Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: SEMPER GUMBY! Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome. Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better

Does anyone, by chance, have plans for a muller? Someone decided they needed the one I had more than I did... Drag

This one seems well-thought of for hobbyists: http://backyardmetalcasting.com/guest_georgemuller02.html HTH! Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

Still too hot outside to start up the foundry, but it is getting close to pouring time. :) Time to make a list of all the stuff I want to cast now so I don't forget what it was I wanted to do. Gman From: Paul NMN [mailto:cadsculptor@...] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020, 5:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [foundry casting pattern ] [foundry casting pattern ] [foundry casting pattern ] [foundry casting pattern ] Is anybody home?

I had my go with the docs lat year. they removed my prostate and it left me pretty low and slow for a long time. Just now starting to get some energy up to do a few fun things. From: davesmith1800 [mailto:davesmith1@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 7:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [foundry casting pattern ] Is anybody home?

HI Glenn, there's been very little (zero) activity on the list... Paul -- Best regards, Paul Paul Bertram +1-508-498-6452

Seems this group has been way too quiet for way too long...

As far as I can tell, all the groups are kind of slow. Some are so slow nothing has happened in months. I thought with the COVID-19 thing, there'd be more activity, but I guess most folks are actually spending time IN their shops, rather than on the computer, unlike me. I'm mostly trying to help my wife with medical problems, while having a few of my own, and working on the shop when the back allows. It's been pretty flinchy lately, but some better for having more nerves burned out a couple of weeks ago. Got more than usual done yesterday, hope to spend tomorrow doing more still, but spent today in taking SWMBO to the cardiologist. She needed his clearance to use a medication one of the other docs wants her on. Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

That's cool :) I was afraid I got lost in all the list moves... From: Bill in OKC too via groups.io [mailto:wmrmeyers@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 1:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [foundry casting pattern ] [foundry casting pattern ] Is anybody home?

I'm as much here as I am anywhere. :) Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

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