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I was told there was a not too distant thread regarding mounting a power feeder on a Hammer C 3-31. Can anyone help direct me to that source or provide suggestions
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I can’t help you with the original thread but be very aware that the wee pivoting panel that they give…depending on what size power feed you go for and whether you are intending to use it on the planer as well as the spindle moulder. .. is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. I have a large power feeder. The central column is rarely vertical and also inconsistent. As you spin it round to feed the spindle, it will tilt one way. Then the other way when you use it on the planer. I also made the mistake of buying a feeder that was missing one axis of adjustment and so difficult to compensate.
Also, a large feeder is more than I can manage to swing back down. Mine is 70kg and I’d need to be Arnie. There is not enough room for a gas strut either.
Apart from that ……
Roger
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On 19 Jan 2021, at 14:02, Marshall Snodgrass <mtsnodgrassdds@...> wrote:
I was told there was a not too distant thread regarding mounting a power feeder on a Hammer C 3-31. Can anyone help direct me to that source or provide suggestions
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On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Roger S <rsinden@...> wrote:
?I can’t help you with the original thread but be very aware that the wee pivoting panel that they give…depending on what size power feed you go for and whether you are intending to use it on the planer as well as the spindle moulder. .. is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. I have a large power feeder. The central column is rarely vertical and also inconsistent. As you spin it round to feed the spindle, it will tilt one way. Then the other way when you use it on the planer. I also made the mistake of buying a feeder that was missing one axis of adjustment and so difficult to compensate.
Also, a large feeder is more than I can manage to swing back down. Mine is 70kg and I’d need to be Arnie. There is not enough room for a gas strut either.
Apart from that ……
Roger
On 19 Jan 2021, at 14:02, Marshall Snodgrass <mtsnodgrassdds@...> wrote:
I was told there was a not too distant thread regarding mounting a power feeder on a Hammer C 3-31. Can anyone help direct me to that source or provide suggestions
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Marshall,
Do you know that you can search on groupio site?
I found this thread by typing “C3-31 Power Feeder”. I am sure there is more info available.
Hope this helps.
Imran
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On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Marshall Snodgrass <mtsnodgrassdds@...> wrote: ?I was told there was a not too distant thread regarding mounting a power feeder on a Hammer C 3-31. Can anyone help direct me to that source or provide suggestions
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Thanks you, ?I did try going into different threads on the group site regarding hammer just nothing on power feeds. ?Thanks for your help
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Marshall,
Do you know that you can search on groupio site?
I found this thread by typing “C3-31 Power Feeder”. I am sure there is more info available.
Hope this helps.
Imran ?I was told there was a not too distant thread regarding mounting a power feeder on a Hammer C 3-31. Can anyone help direct me to that source or provide suggestions
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On Jan 19, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Marshall Snodgrass <mtsnodgrassdds@...> wrote: ? Thanks you, ?I did try going into different threads on the group site regarding hammer just nothing on power feeds. ?Thanks for your help
Marshall,
Do you know that you can search on groupio site?
I found this thread by typing “C3-31 Power Feeder”. I am sure there is more info available.
Hope this helps.
Imran ?I was told there was a not too distant thread regarding mounting a power feeder on a Hammer C 3-31. Can anyone help direct me to that source or provide suggestions
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Hi Marshall,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have a C3-31 with a S308 power feed (part no 05.3.011) it mounts on a tilting bracket (part no 503-127) the feeder works both on a flat and horizontal axis.
It is really very heavy. The bracket mounting is different than used on the saw range (no photograph in the old catalogue) and at first appears that ?the single bolt securing mechanism is too light for the mass of the feeder.
There is a learning curve.
1. keep your legs and feet out of the way ?when lowering and raising.
2. Wind the motor as far forward as possible before you tilt it. The pivot arc is then controllable as it lowers.
3. Loosen all the adjusting levers just as you lower it onto the saw bench and it will level and square itself properly, then tighten everything up and you are good to go.
4. Toe the front in very slightly for best running results especially with the shaper.
5. Do a few dry runs with whatever option of the machine you want to use. Then you are ready to go.
6. Approximately ?6 inches is the widest board that you can rip when the feeder is mounted.
It is invaluable with the shaper and works well with both jointer and saw. It cost 1k Euros in 2018.
I was very sceptical at first due to the weight ?and found it very hard to set up, now I wouldn't be without it, and always look for ways to use it, as even ripping rough stock it is less tiring, safer, and you get a more consistent finish?
Trevor Lusty
Ireland
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Hi Trevor
41 kgs ? ?Huh….lightweight ;-). ?Mine is too heavy at 71kg TBH. ?I must have missed yours when I was looking to get one as IIRC I couldn’t find the reach of those available at the time on the Hammer catalogue. ?Or maybe it was the eye-watering price ? ?Hence going for the beast that I have because, like you, I thought that it would be good to get one that would cover off all three functions. ? But I’ve tried ripping a few times and ….? ?Well maybe your timber is better than mine but I soon came to the conclusion that out of all three functions, the table saw is the one that you listen to as it’s cutting, easing off when you need to. ?When you use a power feeder, you don’t get that option of ‘finesse’ as it were. ?It’ll just try and bash it through…come what may.
Even so, do you not find that that central pillar wanders about ?
Lastly, how many Weetabix do you have for your breakfast ?
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Hi Marshall,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have a C3-31 with a S308 power feed (part no 05.3.011) it mounts on a tilting bracket (part no 503-127) the feeder works both on a flat and horizontal axis.
It is really very heavy. The bracket mounting is different than used on the saw range (no photograph in the old catalogue) and at first appears that ?the single bolt securing mechanism is too light for the mass of the feeder.
There is a learning curve.
1. keep your legs and feet out of the way ?when lowering and raising.
2. Wind the motor as far forward as possible before you tilt it. The pivot arc is then controllable as it lowers.
3. Loosen all the adjusting levers just as you lower it onto the saw bench and it will level and square itself properly, then tighten everything up and you are good to go.
4. Toe the front in very slightly for best running results especially with the shaper.
5. Do a few dry runs with whatever option of the machine you want to use. Then you are ready to go.
6. Approximately ?6 inches is the widest board that you can rip when the feeder is mounted.
It is invaluable with the shaper and works well with both jointer and saw. It cost 1k Euros in 2018.
I was very sceptical at first due to the weight ?and found it very hard to set up, now I wouldn't be without it, and always look for ways to use it, as even ripping rough stock it is less tiring, safer, and you get a more consistent finish?
Trevor Lusty
Ireland
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Marshall, Trevor, Roger, ? I am sure you guys know of the home made gas strut option – big lift. I am not aware of any hammer user who has installed the big lift but if the tilt bracket is similar to felder then it should work. It does require least 1.75” gap between feeder bracket and J/P wall on combination machines. Big lift requires a custom bracket which is not too difficult to make. It can be made out of AL but steel is better and can be thinner. Design for both versions are attached. Short video shows how it works. ? Looks like Felder tilt bracket with gas assist is for felder machines only but perhaps it can be adapted. I know someone was able to purchase just the gas assist parts from felder. ? Hope this helps. ? Imran ?
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Roger S Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:22 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Power feeder mount Hammer C3-31 ? Hi Trevor 41 kgs ? ?Huh….lightweight ;-). ?Mine is too heavy at 71kg TBH. ?I must have missed yours when I was looking to get one as IIRC I couldn’t find the reach of those available at the time on the Hammer catalogue. ?Or maybe it was the eye-watering price ? ?Hence going for the beast that I have because, like you, I thought that it would be good to get one that would cover off all three functions. ? But I’ve tried ripping a few times and ….? ?Well maybe your timber is better than mine but I soon came to the conclusion that out of all three functions, the table saw is the one that you listen to as it’s cutting, easing off when you need to. ?When you use a power feeder, you don’t get that option of ‘finesse’ as it were. ?It’ll just try and bash it through…come what may. Even so, do you not find that that central pillar wanders about ? Lastly, how many Weetabix do you have for your breakfast ? Roger
? Hi Marshall,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have a C3-31 with a S308 power feed (part no 05.3.011) it mounts on a tilting bracket (part no 503-127) the feeder works both on a flat and horizontal axis.
It is really very heavy. The bracket mounting is different than used on the saw range (no photograph in the old catalogue) and at first appears that ?the single bolt securing mechanism is too light for the mass of the feeder.
There is a learning curve.
1. keep your legs and feet out of the way ?when lowering and raising.
2. Wind the motor as far forward as possible before you tilt it. The pivot arc is then controllable as it lowers.
3. Loosen all the adjusting levers just as you lower it onto the saw bench and it will level and square itself properly, then tighten everything up and you are good to go.
4. Toe the front in very slightly for best running results especially with the shaper.
5. Do a few dry runs with whatever option of the machine you want to use. Then you are ready to go.
6. Approximately ?6 inches is the widest board that you can rip when the feeder is mounted.
It is invaluable with the shaper and works well with both jointer and saw. It cost 1k Euros in 2018.
I was very sceptical at first due to the weight ?and found it very hard to set up, now I wouldn't be without it, and always look for ways to use it, as even ripping rough stock it is less tiring, safer, and you get a more consistent finish?
Trevor Lusty
Ireland
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Roger,
? ? ? ? ? I think you may have misread my post. The single bolt that holds the auto feed to the mounting bracket when you swing it up into position, is what I was referring to as "light". As stated it is a heavy piece of kit.
It concerned me that due to extreme weight of the S308 only one fixing bolt was ?asking a lot especially as the threads do not engage very deeply into the bracket.
The central pillar does not move, it is locked into position and resides in a massive cast iron ?seat. It is vertical and doesn't flex.
I recently machined a large quantity of Douglas fir, around twenty per cent moisture content. As you say, listen to the blade, reduce the running speed or stop the feeder, then if the board was closing on the cut, tap in a wedge and continue.
The only blades that I have are Felder and are sharpened locally.
The feeder was recommend by the local Felder agent as the right model for the job. Had I known how heavy it was, I would never have bought it.
By balancing the weight as you extend the arm it is much easier to lift up into place and drop down when not in use. Rather than allow it to become a dead weight on the floor , I rest it when lowered, on to a little wooden stool and it takes a lot less effort to raise.
Best regards,
Trevor
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Thanks Imran,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It is a different bracket and according to Felder, the gas strut is not suitable, but they say that about the spiral cutter as a retro fit!
The bracket is specific to H32, HC308 and C3-31.
Regards,
Trevor
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All you need is a lip to screw the custom bracket. I can lift my beast Vario4 with 2 fingers. Some felder combos don’t have the 1.75” space required, so not sure if hammer has the room. All parts run about $60 for the setup.
Imran
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On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:14 PM, Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote: ?Thanks Imran,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It is a different bracket and according to Felder, the gas strut is not suitable, but they say that about the spiral cutter as a retro fit!
The bracket is specific to H32, HC308 and C3-31.
Regards,
Trevor
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Thank you. I had wanted a four wheel feeder which would be heavier. ?But maybe don’t need it. ?I will look at the parts numbers you provided?
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On Jan 19, 2021, at 3:47 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Marshall, Trevor, Roger, ? I am sure you guys know of the home made gas strut option – big lift. I am not aware of any hammer user who has installed the big lift but if the tilt bracket is similar to felder then it should work. It does require least 1.75” gap between feeder bracket and J/P wall on combination machines. Big lift requires a custom bracket which is not too difficult to make. It can be made out of AL but steel is better and can be thinner. Design for both versions are attached. Short video shows how it works. ? Looks like Felder tilt bracket with gas assist is for felder machines only but perhaps it can be adapted. I know someone was able to purchase just the gas assist parts from felder. ? Hope this helps. ? Imran ? ? Hi Trevor 41 kgs ? ?Huh….lightweight ;-). ?Mine is too heavy at 71kg TBH. ?I must have missed yours when I was looking to get one as IIRC I couldn’t find the reach of those available at the time on the Hammer catalogue. ?Or maybe it was the eye-watering price ? ?Hence going for the beast that I have because, like you, I thought that it would be good to get one that would cover off all three functions. ? But I’ve tried ripping a few times and ….? ?Well maybe your timber is better than mine but I soon came to the conclusion that out of all three functions, the table saw is the one that you listen to as it’s cutting, easing off when you need to. ?When you use a power feeder, you don’t get that option of ‘finesse’ as it were. ?It’ll just try and bash it through…come what may. Even so, do you not find that that central pillar wanders about ? Lastly, how many Weetabix do you have for your breakfast ? Roger
? Hi Marshall,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have a C3-31 with a S308 power feed (part no 05.3.011) it mounts on a tilting bracket (part no 503-127) the feeder works both on a flat and horizontal axis.
It is really very heavy. The bracket mounting is different than used on the saw range (no photograph in the old catalogue) and at first appears that ?the single bolt securing mechanism is too light for the mass of the feeder.
There is a learning curve.
1. keep your legs and feet out of the way ?when lowering and raising.
2. Wind the motor as far forward as possible before you tilt it. The pivot arc is then controllable as it lowers.
3. Loosen all the adjusting levers just as you lower it onto the saw bench and it will level and square itself properly, then tighten everything up and you are good to go.
4. Toe the front in very slightly for best running results especially with the shaper.
5. Do a few dry runs with whatever option of the machine you want to use. Then you are ready to go.
6. Approximately ?6 inches is the widest board that you can rip when the feeder is mounted.
It is invaluable with the shaper and works well with both jointer and saw. It cost 1k Euros in 2018.
I was very sceptical at first due to the weight ?and found it very hard to set up, now I wouldn't be without it, and always look for ways to use it, as even ripping rough stock it is less tiring, safer, and you get a more consistent finish?
Trevor Lusty
Ireland
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? <Big Lift Bracket Drawing.pdf> <Bracket - dimensioned.pdf> <big lift-short.MOV>
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Imran, if ypou recall we had ths discussion a while back and I sent some photos. ?The conclusion was that there was no room.
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All you need is a lip to screw the custom bracket. I can lift my beast Vario4 with 2 fingers. Some felder combos don’t have the 1.75” space required, so not sure if hammer has the room. All parts run about $60 for the setup.
Imran ?Thanks Imran,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It is a different bracket and according to Felder, the gas strut is not suitable, but they say that about the spiral cutter as a retro fit!
The bracket is specific to H32, HC308 and C3-31.
Regards,
Trevor
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Hi Roger,
I worked with a few folks, sorry that I forgot. That is just too bad that there is no solution for hammer.
You know if one is unable to flip the PF or likely to sustain an injury doing so, a hoist can be used as a last resort - A very slow moving one. That was actually my first attempt. an electric one from HF which was way too fast. Once I moved my entire machine, scary. Would not recommend it.
As I write this, I realize that there is a kill switch on the hoist (a puck like thing contacts the kill switch). This puck normally resides at the end of the rope and turns motor off when rope is completely rewound. I have not checked but if that can be moved and fixed along the rope, one can automatically kill the hoist before reaching the max rotation of the PF. Then push it by hand over the fulcrum and then release the hoist to bring it down. This may make it safe to use the cheap HF hoist.
Imran?
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On Jan 20, 2021, at 12:14 AM, Roger S <rsinden@...> wrote: ? Imran, if ypou recall we had ths discussion a while back and I sent some photos. ?The conclusion was that there was no room.
Roger
All you need is a lip to screw the custom bracket. I can lift my beast Vario4 with 2 fingers. Some felder combos don’t have the 1.75” space required, so not sure if hammer has the room. All parts run about $60 for the setup.
Imran ?Thanks Imran,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It is a different bracket and according to Felder, the gas strut is not suitable, but they say that about the spiral cutter as a retro fit!
The bracket is specific to H32, HC308 and C3-31.
Regards,
Trevor
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imran