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Hello F.O.G.,
I went to raise the blade on my K700S machine, which is not even two years old yet, and the quick motion switch isn’t working. ?Has anyone with this machine setup had this go bad on them? ?I can raise the blade using the Slow motion push button only. ?Once raised, it will not lower down either. ?There’s not a lot of hours on this machine yet either, what a bummer! ?
I’m not sure what would be involved in the fix for something like this?
Thx,
Wade
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Wade,
It could be a bad transformer or a loose connection. The transformer has taps for 2 voltages, ~10 and 30 volts. Looks like you have lost the higher voltage to the motor. There is also a bridge rectifier but that must be working for the low speed to work. The barrel selector switch behind the speed knob switches the voltage.
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote: ? Hello F.O.G.,
I went to raise the blade on my K700S machine, which is not even two years old yet, and the quick motion switch isn’t working. ?Has anyone with this machine setup had this go bad on them? ?I can raise the blade using the Slow motion push button only. ?Once raised, it will not lower down either. ?There’s not a lot of hours on this machine yet either, what a bummer! ?
I’m not sure what would be involved in the fix for something like this?
Thx,
Wade
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Imran?
I’m assuming to access the back side of this switch bank, I need to remove the panel on the opposite side of the chassis? ?Or maybe the front panel control panel is removed? Just not familiar enough yet with these machines. ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:20 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Wade,
It could be a bad transformer or a loose connection. The transformer has taps for 2 voltages, ~10 and 30 volts. Looks like you have lost the higher voltage to the motor. There is also a bridge rectifier but that must be working for the low speed to work. The barrel selector switch behind the speed knob switches the voltage.
On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hello F.O.G.,
I went to raise the blade on my K700S machine, which is not even two years old yet, and the quick motion switch isn’t working. ?Has anyone with this machine setup had this go bad on them? ?I can raise the blade using the Slow motion push button only. ?Once raised, it will not lower down either. ?There’s not a lot of hours on this machine yet either, what a bummer! ?
I’m not sure what would be involved in the fix for something like this?
Thx,
Wade
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Wade,
On my machine, it is accessed by removing the cover on the back side. In my case, this is on the extended part of the chassis.
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:31 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote: ? Imran?
I’m assuming to access the back side of this switch bank, I need to remove the panel on the opposite side of the chassis? ?Or maybe the front panel control panel is removed? Just not familiar enough yet with these machines. ?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:20 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Wade,
It could be a bad transformer or a loose connection. The transformer has taps for 2 voltages, ~10 and 30 volts. Looks like you have lost the higher voltage to the motor. There is also a bridge rectifier but that must be working for the low speed to work. The barrel selector switch behind the speed knob switches the voltage.
On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hello F.O.G.,
I went to raise the blade on my K700S machine, which is not even two years old yet, and the quick motion switch isn’t working. ?Has anyone with this machine setup had this go bad on them? ?I can raise the blade using the Slow motion push button only. ?Once raised, it will not lower down either. ?There’s not a lot of hours on this machine yet either, what a bummer! ?
I’m not sure what would be involved in the fix for something like this?
Thx,
Wade
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This sounds like a blown fuse to me. ?I have had this issue on both my K975 and my Profil 45, and in both cases, it turned out to be a blown low-voltage fuse. ?You will find the fuse adjacent to the transformers that provide the 24VAC in the main electrical cabinet. ? They are an odd-size tubular type of fuse. ?Here is a photo of a typical transformer with arrows pointing to the fusees. ?Grab the black cap and twist, the cap will come off with the fuse.
You can test the fuse with a continuity tester or volt meter.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:05?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
Hello F.O.G.,
I went to raise the blade on my K700S machine, which is not even two years old yet, and the quick motion switch isn’t working. ?Has anyone with this machine setup had this go bad on them? ?I can raise the blade using the Slow motion push button only. ?Once raised, it will not lower down either. ?There’s not a lot of hours on this machine yet either, what a bummer! ? I’m not sure what would be involved in the fix for something like this?
Thx,
Wade
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David,
Few schematics I have seen show fuse on the primary side and would disable all transformer outputs. In Wade’s case he still has low speed working, therefore my earlier response.
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:43 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: ? This sounds like a blown fuse to me. ?I have had this issue on both my K975 and my Profil 45, and in both cases, it turned out to be a blown low-voltage fuse. ?You will find the fuse adjacent to the transformers that provide the 24VAC in the main electrical cabinet. ? They are an odd-size tubular type of fuse. ?Here is a photo of a typical transformer with arrows pointing to the fusees. ?Grab the black cap and twist, the cap will come off with the fuse.
You can test the fuse with a continuity tester or volt meter.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:05?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
Hello F.O.G.,
I went to raise the blade on my K700S machine, which is not even two years old yet, and the quick motion switch isn’t working. ?Has anyone with this machine setup had this go bad on them? ?I can raise the blade using the Slow motion push button only. ?Once raised, it will not lower down either. ?There’s not a lot of hours on this machine yet either, what a bummer! ? I’m not sure what would be involved in the fix for something like this?
Thx,
Wade
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On my machines, the low and high speed are driven by different fused taps off the transformer.
David Best
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:51?PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
David,
Few schematics I have seen show fuse on the primary side and would disable all transformer outputs. In Wade’s case he still has low speed working, therefore my earlier response.
On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:43 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? This sounds like a blown fuse to me. ?I have had this issue on both my K975 and my Profil 45, and in both cases, it turned out to be a blown low-voltage fuse. ?You will find the fuse adjacent to the transformers that provide the 24VAC in the main electrical cabinet. ? They are an odd-size tubular type of fuse. ?Here is a photo of a typical transformer with arrows pointing to the fusees. ?Grab the black cap and twist, the cap will come off with the fuse.
You can test the fuse with a continuity tester or volt meter.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:05?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
Hello F.O.G.,
I went to raise the blade on my K700S machine, which is not even two years old yet, and the quick motion switch isn’t working. ?Has anyone with this machine setup had this go bad on them? ?I can raise the blade using the Slow motion push button only. ?Once raised, it will not lower down either. ?There’s not a lot of hours on this machine yet either, what a bummer! ? I’m not sure what would be involved in the fix for something like this?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:53 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: ? On my machines, the low and high speed are driven by different fused taps off the transformer.
David Best
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:51?PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
David,
Few schematics I have seen show fuse on the primary side and would disable all transformer outputs. In Wade’s case he still has low speed working, therefore my earlier response.
On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:43 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? This sounds like a blown fuse to me. ?I have had this issue on both my K975 and my Profil 45, and in both cases, it turned out to be a blown low-voltage fuse. ?You will find the fuse adjacent to the transformers that provide the 24VAC in the main electrical cabinet. ? They are an odd-size tubular type of fuse. ?Here is a photo of a typical transformer with arrows pointing to the fusees. ?Grab the black cap and twist, the cap will come off with the fuse.
You can test the fuse with a continuity tester or volt meter.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:05?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
Hello F.O.G.,
I went to raise the blade on my K700S machine, which is not even two years old yet, and the quick motion switch isn’t working. ?Has anyone with this machine setup had this go bad on them? ?I can raise the blade using the Slow motion push button only. ?Once raised, it will not lower down either. ?There’s not a lot of hours on this machine yet either, what a bummer! ? I’m not sure what would be involved in the fix for something like this?
Thx,
Wade
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David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:43 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? This sounds like a blown fuse to me. ?I have had this issue on both my K975 and my Profil 45, and in both cases, it turned out to be a blown low-voltage fuse. ?You will find the fuse adjacent to the transformers that provide the 24VAC in the main electrical cabinet. ? They are an odd-size tubular type of fuse. ?Here is a photo of a typical transformer with arrows pointing to the fusees. ?Grab the black cap and twist, the cap will come off with the fuse.
You can test the fuse with a continuity tester or volt meter.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 4:05?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
Hello F.O.G.,
I went to raise the blade on my K700S machine, which is not even two years old yet, and the quick motion switch isn’t working. ?Has anyone with this machine setup had this go bad on them? ?I can raise the blade using the Slow motion push button only. ?Once raised, it will not lower down either. ?There’s not a lot of hours on this machine yet either, what a bummer! ? I’m not sure what would be involved in the fix for something like this?
Thx,
Wade
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Yes, they are - and if you cut that seal, Hansj?rg Felder himself will come to your home and march around in his lederhosen?with a sign that reads “Das est Verboten”. ? Seriously, call Felder - they will walk through this and authorize cutting the seal if they think that’s warranted. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:14?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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I think you need ?permission for one year.
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 3:41?PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Yes, they are - and if you cut that seal, Hansj?rg Felder himself will come to your home and march around in his lederhosen?with a sign that reads “Das est Verboten”. ? Seriously, call Felder - they will walk through this and authorize cutting the seal if they think that’s warranted. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:14?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Yes, they are - and if you cut that seal, Hansj?rg Felder himself will come to your home and march around in his lederhosen?with a sign that reads “Das est Verboten”. ? Seriously, call Felder - they will walk through this and authorize cutting the seal if they think that’s warranted. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:14?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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Wade, I didn’t mean to imply that your problem is definitively a fuse ?- it could well be the switch or a loose connection. ?Getting access to that switch mechanism on the plastic fascia is a real PITA. ?Good luck with it.
David Best
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
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On Jan 7, 2024, at 10:19?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
?????? On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Yes, they are - and if you cut that seal, Hansj?rg Felder himself will come to your home and march around in his lederhosen?with a sign that reads “Das est Verboten”. ? Seriously, call Felder - they will walk through this and authorize cutting the seal if they think that’s warranted. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:14?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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David Best,
All good, I understand. ?Sounds like my issue could be any number of things. ?I have a ticket started already with Felder. ?Hopefully I get to speak with them tomorrow. ?If it is a fuse, I’m going to buy an extra one to have on hand. ?This sucks to have a machine go down in the middle of a project! ?What’s even more disappointing is this machine probably has less than 10 hours on it. ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 7, 2024, at 11:18?AM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Wade, I didn’t mean to imply that your problem is definitively a fuse ?- it could well be the switch or a loose connection. ?Getting access to that switch mechanism on the plastic fascia is a real PITA. ?Good luck with it.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 7, 2024, at 10:19?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
?????? On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Yes, they are - and if you cut that seal, Hansj?rg Felder himself will come to your home and march around in his lederhosen?with a sign that reads “Das est Verboten”. ? Seriously, call Felder - they will walk through this and authorize cutting the seal if they think that’s warranted. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:14?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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If you have to buy a fuse, might as well get the motor capacitors you’ll need when they blow up. ?
David Best
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On Jan 7, 2024, at 2:19?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
All good, I understand. ?Sounds like my issue could be any number of things. ?I have a ticket started already with Felder. ?Hopefully I get to speak with them tomorrow. ?If it is a fuse, I’m going to buy an extra one to have on hand. ?This sucks to have a machine go down in the middle of a project! ?What’s even more disappointing is this machine probably has less than 10 hours on it. ?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 7, 2024, at 11:18?AM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Wade, I didn’t mean to imply that your problem is definitively a fuse ?- it could well be the switch or a loose connection. ?Getting access to that switch mechanism on the plastic fascia is a real PITA. ?Good luck with it.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 7, 2024, at 10:19?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
?????? On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Yes, they are - and if you cut that seal, Hansj?rg Felder himself will come to your home and march around in his lederhosen?with a sign that reads “Das est Verboten”. ? Seriously, call Felder - they will walk through this and authorize cutting the seal if they think that’s warranted. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:14?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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? yeah, your right! ?Better to plan ahead with these single phase motors. ????
What else should I add to my list? ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Jan 7, 2024, at 2:27?PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? If you have to buy a fuse, might as well get the motor capacitors you’ll need when they blow up. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 7, 2024, at 2:19?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
All good, I understand. ?Sounds like my issue could be any number of things. ?I have a ticket started already with Felder. ?Hopefully I get to speak with them tomorrow. ?If it is a fuse, I’m going to buy an extra one to have on hand. ?This sucks to have a machine go down in the middle of a project! ?What’s even more disappointing is this machine probably has less than 10 hours on it. ?
Thx,
Wade On Jan 7, 2024, at 11:18?AM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Wade, I didn’t mean to imply that your problem is definitively a fuse ?- it could well be the switch or a loose connection. ?Getting access to that switch mechanism on the plastic fascia is a real PITA. ?Good luck with it.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 7, 2024, at 10:19?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
?????? On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:41 PM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:
? Yes, they are - and if you cut that seal, Hansj?rg Felder himself will come to your home and march around in his lederhosen?with a sign that reads “Das est Verboten”. ? Seriously, call Felder - they will walk through this and authorize cutting the seal if they think that’s warranted. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Jan 6, 2024, at 5:14?PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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Wade,
Buy the motor in case it fails :) Felder says it will take 4-6 weeks to get a replacement motor.
James
? yeah, your right!? Better to plan ahead with these single phase motors. ????
What else should I add to my list? ?
Thx,
Wade
?If you have to buy a fuse, might as well get the motor capacitors you’ll need when they blow up. ?
David Best,
All good, I understand.? Sounds like my issue could be any number of things.? I have a ticket started already with Felder.? Hopefully I get to speak with them tomorrow.? If it is a fuse, I’m going to buy an extra one to have on hand.? This sucks to have a machine go down in the middle of a project!? What’s even more disappointing is this machine probably has less than 10 hours on it. ?
Thx,
Wade ?Wade, I didn’t mean to imply that your problem is definitively a fuse ?- it could well be the switch or a loose connection.? Getting access to that switch mechanism on the plastic fascia is a real PITA.? Good luck with it.
?????? ?Yes, they are - and if you cut that seal, Hansj?rg Felder himself will come to your home and march around in his lederhosen?with a sign that reads “Das est Verboten”. ? Seriously, call Felder - they will walk through this and authorize cutting the seal if they think that’s warranted. ?
David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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Okay, one motor added to the list. ?
I should add a Martin saw just as a back up too. ????
[Germans make better machines, Austrians just think they do]
Thx,
Wade
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? Wade,
Buy the motor in case it fails :) Felder says it will take 4-6 weeks to get a replacement motor.
James ? yeah, your right!? Better to plan ahead with these single phase motors. ????
What else should I add to my list? ?
Thx,
Wade
?If you have to buy a fuse, might as well get the motor capacitors you’ll need when they blow up. ?
David Best,
All good, I understand.? Sounds like my issue could be any number of things.? I have a ticket started already with Felder.? Hopefully I get to speak with them tomorrow.? If it is a fuse, I’m going to buy an extra one to have on hand.? This sucks to have a machine go down in the middle of a project!? What’s even more disappointing is this machine probably has less than 10 hours on it. ?
Thx,
Wade ?Wade, I didn’t mean to imply that your problem is definitively a fuse ?- it could well be the switch or a loose connection.? Getting access to that switch mechanism on the plastic fascia is a real PITA.? Good luck with it.
?????? ?Yes, they are - and if you cut that seal, Hansj?rg Felder himself will come to your home and march around in his lederhosen?with a sign that reads “Das est Verboten”. ? Seriously, call Felder - they will walk through this and authorize cutting the seal if they think that’s warranted. ?
David Best,
Are these fuses located behind the panel with the sealed label that says I need permission from Felder to remove?
Thx,
Wade?
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