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Felder Folks,
I used my the Shaper this morning, then switched to saw and it is not starting. I’ve tried:
- Power cycling
- Fuses checked with ohm meter
- Safety switches properly engaged
- Switching from saw to shaper several times
Neither the saw nor shaper will start.?
Any guidance is appreciated.?
Toby
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Toby,
? ? ?Just had a similar situation with my N4400. ?I would recommend checking the motor start capacitor. ?Likely a visual inspection will tell you if it’s bad. ?The capacitor on the N4400 was mad hot and bulging at the seams.
James ?
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More info 1phase 3 phase , vfd ? ? Designing and building for 50 years
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On Oct 11, 2020, at 8:07 AM, fa18frog via groups.io <fa18frog@...> wrote:
?Toby,
? ? ?Just had a similar situation with my N4400. ?I would recommend checking the motor start capacitor. ?Likely a visual inspection will tell you if it’s bad. ?The capacitor on the N4400 was mad hot and bulging at the seams.
James ?
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Once in a blue moon this happens here. Blowing out the electronics and switches, including under the covers with compressed air has removed dust and seems to have solved the problem.?
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On Oct 11, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote: More info 1phase 3 phase , vfd ? ? Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 11, 2020, at 8:07 AM, fa18frog via <fa18frog@...> wrote:
?Toby,
? ? ?Just had a similar situation with my N4400. ?I would recommend checking the motor start capacitor. ?Likely a visual inspection will tell you if it’s bad. ?The capacitor on the N4400 was mad hot and bulging at the seams.
James ?
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Hi Toby! First port of call is checking the input and output from your control transformer assuming you have checked all the supplies etc. The control transformer basically supplies power to the control circuit and in effect isolates the chassis from a live supply fault thus protecting the user. If your 230v in and out that’s what you should get on the meter. There’s no polarity as it’s AC. On the A2 terminal side there is also a relay which might have tripped and needs the button reset pushed or changed from manual to auto on the dial. There are also two small glass fuses, fuse holder on the DIN rail, they’re not as most think, fast fuses they are in fact slow variants to protect from startup surge! Hope that helps... oh by the way if it’s the Transformer Felder will want over ?300, try red electrical supplies and you’ll get the equivalent for under ?30!
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? More info 1phase 3 phase , vfd ? ? Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 11, 2020, at 8:07 AM, fa18frog via groups.io <fa18frog@...> wrote:
?Toby,
? ? ?Just had a similar situation with my N4400. ?I would recommend checking the motor start capacitor. ?Likely a visual inspection will tell you if it’s bad. ?The capacitor on the N4400 was mad hot and bulging at the seams.
James ?
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Could be the motor start capacitor as James has said but the motor usually tries to start and then stops it also buzzes too! Have you got more than one motor on your machine, if so it’s unlikely that both capacitors have failed!
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On 11 Oct 2020, at 16:56, Martin Guiver <martin.guiver@...> wrote:
? Hi Toby! First port of call is checking the input and output from your control transformer assuming you have checked all the supplies etc. The control transformer basically supplies power to the control circuit and in effect isolates the chassis from a live supply fault thus protecting the user. If your 230v in and out that’s what you should get on the meter. There’s no polarity as it’s AC. On the A2 terminal side there is also a relay which might have tripped and needs the button reset pushed or changed from manual to auto on the dial. There are also two small glass fuses, fuse holder on the DIN rail, they’re not as most think, fast fuses they are in fact slow variants to protect from startup surge! Hope that helps... oh by the way if it’s the Transformer Felder will want over ?300, try red electrical supplies and you’ll get the equivalent for under ?30!
Regards Martin? On 11 Oct 2020, at 14:27, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? More info 1phase 3 phase , vfd ? ? Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 11, 2020, at 8:07 AM, fa18frog via groups.io <fa18frog@...> wrote:
?Toby,
? ? ?Just had a similar situation with my N4400. ?I would recommend checking the motor start capacitor. ?Likely a visual inspection will tell you if it’s bad. ?The capacitor on the N4400 was mad hot and bulging at the seams.
James ?
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Put the selector button in reverse for the shaper, see if the yellow light comes on. If it doesn’t, you have an open connection in your e-stop string. All the limit switches and stop buttons are daisy chained into one circuit, if any of them are open, you can’t start the machine.
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Felder Folks,
I used my the Shaper this morning, then switched to saw and it is not starting. I’ve tried:
- Power cycling
- Fuses checked with ohm meter
- Safety switches properly engaged
- Switching from saw to shaper several times
Neither the saw nor shaper will start.?
Any guidance is appreciated.?
Toby
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Hi Toby, This?happened to me in the past, and it turned out to be a bad stop switch. Felder walked me through finding which one was the problem, then walked me through bypassing it temporarily until a new switch showed up. You could try blowing on the stop switches with compressed air, worth a try.?
-Shawn
On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 9:00 AM, Martin Guiver via groups.io <martin.guiver@...> wrote: Could be the motor start capacitor as James has said but the motor usually tries to start and then stops it also buzzes too! Have you got more than one motor on your machine, if so it’s unlikely that both capacitors have failed! Martin? On 11 Oct 2020, at 16:56, Martin Guiver <martin.guiver@...> wrote:
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Hi Toby! First port of call is checking the input and output from your control transformer assuming you have checked all the supplies etc. The control transformer basically supplies power to the control circuit and in effect isolates the chassis from a live supply fault thus protecting the user. If your 230v in and out that’s what you should get on the meter. There’s no polarity as it’s AC. On the A2 terminal side there is also a relay which might have tripped and needs the button reset pushed or changed from manual to auto on the dial. There are also two small glass fuses, fuse holder on the DIN rail, they’re not as most think, fast fuses they are in fact slow variants to protect from startup surge! Hope that helps... oh by the way if it’s the Transformer Felder will want over ?300, try red electrical supplies and you’ll get the equivalent for under ?30!
Regards Martin? On 11 Oct 2020, at 14:27, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
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More info 1phase 3 phase , vfd ? ? Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 11, 2020, at 8:07 AM, fa18frog via groups.io <fa18frog@...> wrote:
?Toby,
? ? ?Just had a similar situation with my N4400. ?I would recommend checking the motor start capacitor. ?Likely a visual inspection will tell you if it’s bad. ?The capacitor on the N4400 was mad hot and bulging at the seams.
James ?
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Oh yeah, that happened once too - the stop switch on the table saw. i bypassed it, and viola, no problem.
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Hi Toby,This?happened to me in the past, and it turned out to be a bad stop switch. Felder walked me through finding which one was the problem, then walked me through bypassing it temporarily until a new switch showed up. You could try blowing on the stop switches with compressed air, worth a try.?
-Shawn On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 9:00 AM, Martin Guiver via?<martin.guiver@...> wrote: Could be the motor start capacitor as James has said but the motor usually tries to start and then stops it also buzzes too! Have you got more than one motor on your machine, if so it’s unlikely that both capacitors have failed! Hi Toby! First port of call is checking the input and output from your control transformer assuming you have checked all the supplies etc. The control transformer basically supplies power to the control circuit and in effect isolates the chassis from a live supply fault thus protecting the user. If your 230v in and out that’s what you should get on the meter. There’s no polarity as it’s AC. On the A2 terminal side there is also a relay which might have tripped and needs the button reset pushed or changed from manual to auto on the dial. There are also two small glass fuses, fuse holder on the DIN rail, they’re not as most think, fast fuses they are in fact slow variants to protect from startup surge! Hope that helps... oh by the way if it’s the Transformer Felder will want over ?300, try red electrical supplies and you’ll get the equivalent for under ?30!
More info 1phase 3 phase , vfd ? ? Designing and building for 50 years On Oct 11, 2020, at 8:07 AM, fa18frog via <fa18frog@...> wrote:
?Toby,
? ? ?Just had a similar situation with my N4400. ?I would recommend checking the motor start capacitor. ?Likely a visual inspection will tell you if it’s bad. ?The capacitor on the N4400 was mad hot and bulging at the seams.
James ?
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Probably too easy, but.. Have you checked that the blade cover is properly closed??
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You guys are awesome.? So many great ideas.
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I got pretty frustrated yesterday and moved to another project.? It’s funny how so many projects in my shop still require this saw/shaper.? It seems that nearly every other project I tried to work on also required the saw or shaper.
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Today I thought I would check things once more before phoning support.? Not sure what happened, but I got the yellow light Brian refers to below, and then tried starting the shaper and it worked.
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A long time ago I was in product support… if it only happened once, it didn’t really happen.? So I guess I wait to see if it happens again.
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Thanks everyone!
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Toby Jutras, Owner
Maine Wood Products, LLC
603.322.3805
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Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 12:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [FOG] KF700S Not Starting
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Put the selector button in reverse for the shaper, see if the yellow light comes on. If it doesn’t, you have an open connection in your e-stop string. All the limit switches and stop buttons are daisy chained into one circuit, if any of
them are open, you can’t start the machine.
?
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I used my the Shaper this morning, then switched to saw and it is not starting. I’ve tried:
-
Power cycling
-
Fuses checked with ohm meter
-
Safety switches properly engaged
-
Switching from saw to shaper several times
Neither the saw nor shaper will start.?
Any guidance is appreciated.?
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Hey Toby,?
I've had the shaper stop button not reset before. The spring loaded button will return to its original position but the switch itself would not return to its normal resting position.? It would eventually spring back on its own but the machine was down until it did. Once that stop switch was replaced the problem ceased.?
Since your problem solved itself I would think that it may be a dirty or failing stop switch as others have mentioned.?
Jarrett?
You guys are awesome.? So many great ideas.
?
I got pretty frustrated yesterday and moved to another project.? It’s funny how so many projects in my shop still require this saw/shaper.? It seems that nearly every other project I tried to work on also required the saw or shaper.
?
Today I thought I would check things once more before phoning support.? Not sure what happened, but I got the yellow light Brian refers to below, and then tried starting the shaper and it worked.
?
A long time ago I was in product support… if it only happened once, it didn’t really happen.? So I guess I wait to see if it happens again.
?
Thanks everyone!
?
Toby Jutras, Owner
Maine Wood Products, LLC
603.322.3805
?
?
Put the selector button in reverse for the shaper, see if the yellow light comes on. If it doesn’t, you have an open connection in your e-stop string. All the limit switches and stop buttons are daisy chained into one circuit, if any of
them are open, you can’t start the machine.
?
?
I used my the Shaper this morning, then switched to saw and it is not starting. I’ve tried:
-
Power cycling
-
Fuses checked with ohm meter
-
Safety switches properly engaged
-
Switching from saw to shaper several times
Neither the saw nor shaper will start.?
Any guidance is appreciated.?
?
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i replaced start and stop switches when the start became intermittent on my K975 saw - basically when i bought it used. i did not call felder as they were readily available online. Not expensive and easy to replace.
imran?
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On Oct 12, 2020, at 6:38 AM, Jarrett Maxwell <j.a.max7@...> wrote: ? Hey Toby,?
I've had the shaper stop button not reset before. The spring loaded button will return to its original position but the switch itself would not return to its normal resting position.? It would eventually spring back on its own but the machine was down until it did. Once that stop switch was replaced the problem ceased.?
Since your problem solved itself I would think that it may be a dirty or failing stop switch as others have mentioned.?
Jarrett?
You guys are awesome.? So many great ideas.
?
I got pretty frustrated yesterday and moved to another project.? It’s funny how so many projects in my shop still require this saw/shaper.? It seems that nearly every other project I tried to work on also required the saw or shaper.
?
Today I thought I would check things once more before phoning support.? Not sure what happened, but I got the yellow light Brian refers to below, and then tried starting the shaper and it worked.
?
A long time ago I was in product support… if it only happened once, it didn’t really happen.? So I guess I wait to see if it happens again.
?
Thanks everyone!
?
Toby Jutras, Owner
Maine Wood Products, LLC
603.322.3805
?
?
Put the selector button in reverse for the shaper, see if the yellow light comes on. If it doesn’t, you have an open connection in your e-stop string. All the limit switches and stop buttons are daisy chained into one circuit, if any of
them are open, you can’t start the machine.
?
?
I used my the Shaper this morning, then switched to saw and it is not starting. I’ve tried:
-
Power cycling
-
Fuses checked with ohm meter
-
Safety switches properly engaged
-
Switching from saw to shaper several times
Neither the saw nor shaper will start.?
Any guidance is appreciated.?
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The yellow light is a great diagnostic tool. it will tell you if any switches are stuck.
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You guys are awesome.? So many great ideas. ? I got pretty frustrated yesterday and moved to another project.? It’s funny how so many projects in my shop still require this saw/shaper.? It seems that nearly every other project I tried to work on also required the saw or shaper. ? Today I thought I would check things once more before phoning support.? Not sure what happened, but I got the yellow light Brian refers to below, and then tried starting the shaper and it worked. ? A long time ago I was in product support… if it only happened once, it didn’t really happen.? So I guess I wait to see if it happens again. ? Thanks everyone! ? Toby Jutras, Owner Maine Wood Products, LLC 603.322.3805 <image002.png> ? ? Put the selector button in reverse for the shaper, see if the yellow light comes on. If it doesn’t, you have an open connection in your e-stop string. All the limit switches and stop buttons are daisy chained into one circuit, if any of them are open, you can’t start the machine. ? ? I used my the Shaper this morning, then switched to saw and it is not starting. I’ve tried: - Power cycling
- Fuses checked with ohm meter
- Safety switches properly engaged
- Switching from saw to shaper several times
Neither the saw nor shaper will start.? Any guidance is appreciated.?
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Hey Imran,? Do you happen to know where you bought your aftermarket stop switches for your K975? I've ordered them from Felder before for past machines, but if there's a good alternative, I could use one right about now. My F900 shaper's stop switch is acting up now. Thanks, Shawn
On Monday, October 12, 2020, 07:09:11 AM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
i replaced start and stop switches when the start became intermittent on my K975 saw - basically when i bought it used. i did not call felder as they were readily available online. Not expensive and easy to replace.
imran?
On Oct 12, 2020, at 6:38 AM, Jarrett Maxwell <j.a.max7@...> wrote: ? Hey Toby,?
I've had the shaper stop button not reset before. The spring loaded button will return to its original position but the switch itself would not return to its normal resting position.? It would eventually spring back on its own but the machine was down until it did. Once that stop switch was replaced the problem ceased.?
Since your problem solved itself I would think that it may be a dirty or failing stop switch as others have mentioned.?
Jarrett?
You guys are awesome.? So many great ideas.
?
I got pretty frustrated yesterday and moved to another project.? It’s funny how so many projects in my shop still require this saw/shaper.? It seems that nearly every other project I tried to work on also required the saw or shaper.
?
Today I thought I would check things once more before phoning support.? Not sure what happened, but I got the yellow light Brian refers to below, and then tried starting the shaper and it worked.
?
A long time ago I was in product support… if it only happened once, it didn’t really happen.? So I guess I wait to see if it happens again.
?
Thanks everyone!
?
Toby Jutras, Owner
Maine Wood Products, LLC
603.322.3805
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Put the selector button in reverse for the shaper, see if the yellow light comes on. If it doesn’t, you have an open connection in your e-stop string. All the limit switches and stop buttons are daisy chained into one circuit, if any of
them are open, you can’t start the machine.
?
?
I used my the Shaper this morning, then switched to saw and it is not starting. I’ve tried:
-
Power cycling
-
Fuses checked with ohm meter
-
Safety switches properly engaged
-
Switching from saw to shaper several times
Neither the saw nor shaper will start.?
Any guidance is appreciated.?
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hi shawn,
look for a PM from me in your inbox or junk folder.
imran
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On Nov 16, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Shawn Kammerer via groups.io <shawnkammerer@...> wrote: ?
Hey Imran,? Do you happen to know where you bought your aftermarket stop switches for your K975? I've ordered them from Felder before for past machines, but if there's a good alternative, I could use one right about now. My F900 shaper's stop switch is acting up now. Thanks, Shawn
On Monday, October 12, 2020, 07:09:11 AM PDT, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
i replaced start and stop switches when the start became intermittent on my K975 saw - basically when i bought it used. i did not call felder as they were readily available online. Not expensive and easy to replace.
imran?
On Oct 12, 2020, at 6:38 AM, Jarrett Maxwell <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
? Hey Toby,?
I've had the shaper stop button not reset before. The spring loaded button will return to its original position but the switch itself would not return to its normal resting position.? It would eventually spring back on its own but the machine was down until it did. Once that stop switch was replaced the problem ceased.?
Since your problem solved itself I would think that it may be a dirty or failing stop switch as others have mentioned.?
Jarrett?
You guys are awesome.? So many great ideas.
?
I got pretty frustrated yesterday and moved to another project.? It’s funny how so many projects in my shop still require this saw/shaper.? It seems that nearly every other project I tried to work on also required the saw or shaper.
?
Today I thought I would check things once more before phoning support.? Not sure what happened, but I got the yellow light Brian refers to below, and then tried starting the shaper and it worked.
?
A long time ago I was in product support… if it only happened once, it didn’t really happen.? So I guess I wait to see if it happens again.
?
Thanks everyone!
?
Toby Jutras, Owner
Maine Wood Products, LLC
603.322.3805
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Put the selector button in reverse for the shaper, see if the yellow light comes on. If it doesn’t, you have an open connection in your e-stop string. All the limit switches and stop buttons are daisy chained into one circuit, if any of
them are open, you can’t start the machine.
?
?
I used my the Shaper this morning, then switched to saw and it is not starting. I’ve tried:
-
Power cycling
-
Fuses checked with ohm meter
-
Safety switches properly engaged
-
Switching from saw to shaper several times
Neither the saw nor shaper will start.?
Any guidance is appreciated.?
?
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imran