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It has been on my list to add a disc sander. My current use will be to cleanup band sawn templates. Couple of yrs ago, I tried the oscillating belt sander from HD. After trying 2, I gave up on the combo (spindle/belt) idea and bought the bench top oscillating spindle sander, Jet JOBS-5. I have been very happy with it.
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A 25% off no exclusions coupon from HF started this exercise. Bought the following 12” disc sander for $150:
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First one was not usable, casting feature for the table attachment was bad and the AL table was way beyond flat. 2nd unit, casting is good and the table is still unusable. I removed the sanding disc, cleaned the sticky crap off and measured the run off. Half way from center is +/- 0.004” and near outside perimeter it is? +/- 0.010”. You can feel the bumps easily on the outer perimeter. If I keep this I will have to build or fix the table. The disc is cast iron and has milling marks like a record.?I may be able to sand the high spot some and reduce the overall runout. The unit feels solid in operation and runs w/o noticeable vibration. The dust collection port does not match my shop vac but I can probably rig something up. The disc runs at 1750 RPM and is directly mounted to the motor shaft.
?
Not satisfied, did more research and this PC model available at Lowe’s looked promising for $250:
?
It is a nice little unit. Both tables are AL and flat. The casting feature for the table attachment is much improved but still works like what you would expect on a $250 machine. Interestingly, belt needs tracking adjustment between horizontal and vertical positions but it is not dangerously off and single knob makes adj a breeze. The runout near center, middle and near outer perimeter is 3, 7 & 10 thousands of an inch. The disc however is AL. It has a single port for dust collection and my shop vac fits. Disc runs at 3450 RPM and belt at 2160 RPM.
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I like that it has a disc and a belt. I removed the discs and cleaned the plates on both sanders. While cleaning process is okay, I absolutely do not think it is something I would do to change grit. I assume no one does this, unless I am missing some trick. I did look into H&L but appears that enough heat can generated under heavy use to melt the backing pad and some also think it makes the disc too soft (as in having give). Therefore, having 2 sanding options appeal to me as I could place 2 different grits.
Following from Maksiwa also looks promising for $285.
I have written to Maksiwa and asked if they can share the flatness specs of disc and table. They acknowledged receipt but I likely won’t hear back until next week.? I am reluctant to buy this and some others (Grizzly) because they are not locally available. All of these may actually be built by the same company, so chances of getting an acceptable product in this price range is low and I do not want to deal with shipping back. Oh! while this comes with manual brake and cast iron table, the disc is AL.
?
Since I have not had a machine like this, I not only lack experience to make a good call, I am also not thinking of other possible uses. So I thought, I check with the collective wisdom here. What should I do? I really do not have room for a stationary machine and would like to keep my outlay low. I looked for used but nothing exciting came up in my area. Appreciate your feedback.
Imran Malik
Feb 6th 2024 Update:
Maksiwa got back to me but the guy could not tell me anything more than what’s published. Credit to Grizzly for actually posting a tol on disc for $650 G0702 and it is 0.21mm. Then I found Shop Fox W1812 that is not in their catalog but it is on their website for $352. Being half the price I asked for its spec and they said it is same. So I decided to order it. Not sure why, I thought I do a last check on net for this model and guess what Grizzly sells it on Amazon so shipping was free ($70 if one orders from Grizzly) and so was the return. So got it thru Amazon.
Well the machine came well packaged but it turned out to be the worst +/- 0.030” wobble and table was also about the same with middle high. I wrote to Grizzly and they offered a new disc and table. These arrived today. Table is near perfect and the disc is acceptable, it is +/- 0.0035” at 5” out but goes to +/- 0.005” near the outer edge. Another diff is that all 4 discs that were bad were warped as the high and low areas from near center to outside were close to 180 deg apart. This disc has random variation. So I am keeping it. In case, anyone is interested the disc is AL not cast iron but the thanks is cast iron.?
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Delta does still make a bench-top disc sander:
It's a smaller 1/2HP motor, but the disc is steel (not aluminum like the Maksiwa).? I have no idea on the flatness specs.? Available from several distributors, but Amazon and Home Depot do have easy returns.? You can probably just bring it back to the store if you bought from Home Depot.? Looks like free shipping from both sources, although Amazon has it on sale right now.
If you look closely at all these bench-top disc sanders, you will see that the table castings are actually different.? Though, they still could all be made in the same Chinese factory.
-Aaron
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Hi Imran,
??? Have you considered making your own?? I realize that you've
been commenting on flatness and runout.? You're likely never going
to get the level of flatnesses or runout you may be seeking out of
wood discs and hubs, but do you really need it?? You could easily
mount a motor and make series of wood discs mounting a hub on
each.? You could but different paper on each one, and just change
discs when you want to change grits.? It would also be cheap,
could be a fun project, and would let you save space while
providing a lot of flexibility.?
On 1/12/2024 9:57 PM, imranindiana
wrote:
It has been on my list to add a disc sander. My current use will
be to cleanup band sawn templates. Couple of yrs ago, I tried
the oscillating belt sander from HD. After trying 2, I gave up
on the combo (spindle/belt) idea and bought the bench top
oscillating spindle sander, Jet JOBS-5. I have been very happy
with it.
A 25% off no exclusions coupon from HF started this
exercise. Bought the following 12” disc sander for $150:
|
First one was not usable, casting feature for the table
attachment was bad and the AL table was way beyond flat. 2nd
unit, casting is good and the table is still unusable. I
removed the sanding disc, cleaned the sticky crap off and
measured the run off. Half way from center is +/- 0.004” and
near outside perimeter it is?
+/-
0.010”. You can feel the bumps easily on the outer
perimeter. If I keep this I will have to build or fix the
table. The disc is cast iron and has milling marks like a
record.?I
may be able to sand the high spot some and reduce the
overall runout. The
unit feels solid in operation and runs w/o noticeable
vibration. The dust collection port does not match my shop
vac but I can probably rig something up. The disc runs at
1750 RPM and is directly mounted to the motor shaft.
Not satisfied, did more
research and this PC model available at Lowe’s looked
promising for $250:
It is a nice little unit. Both tables are AL and flat. The
casting feature for the table attachment is much improved
but still works like what you would expect on a $250
machine. Interestingly, belt needs tracking adjustment
between horizontal and vertical positions but it is not
dangerously off and single knob makes adj a breeze. The
runout near center, middle and near outer perimeter is 3,
7 & 10 thousands of an inch. The disc however is AL.
It has a single port for dust collection and my shop vac
fits. Disc runs at 3450 RPM and belt at 2160 RPM.
I like that it has a
disc and a belt. I removed the discs and cleaned the
plates on both sanders. While cleaning process is okay, I
absolutely do not think it is something I would do to
change grit. I assume no one does this, unless I am
missing some trick. I did look into H&L but appears
that enough heat can generated under heavy use to melt the
backing pad and some also think it makes the disc too soft
(as in having give). Therefore, having 2 sanding options
appeal to me as I could place 2 different grits.
Following from Maksiwa also looks promising for $285.
I have written to Maksiwa and asked if they can share the
flatness specs of disc and table. They acknowledged receipt
but I likely won’t hear back until next week.?I am
reluctant to buy this and some others (Grizzly)
because they are not locally available. All of these may
actually be built by the same company, so chances of getting
an acceptable product in this price range is low and I do not
want to deal with shipping back. Oh! while this comes with
manual brake and cast iron table, the disc is AL.
Since I have not had a machine like this, I not only lack
experience to make a good call, I am also not thinking of
other possible uses. So I thought, I check with the collective
wisdom here. What should I do? I really do not have room for a
stationary machine and would like to keep my outlay low. I
looked for used but nothing exciting came up in my area.
Appreciate your feedback.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
There is likely more variability in the abrasives used than the machine tolerances.? I view sanding as an as-built compensation tool, so it's always fudging up to the desired results.
I speculate the lack of good quality midmarket offerings is in part by power capacity of the 110v circuits most customers prefer, thus the jump mostly to the huge stationary industrial units.
On Sat, Jan 13, 2024, 2:17?AM Michael Garrison Stuber < mtgstuber@...> wrote:
Hi Imran,
??? Have you considered making your own?? I realize that you've
been commenting on flatness and runout.? You're likely never going
to get the level of flatnesses or runout you may be seeking out of
wood discs and hubs, but do you really need it?? You could easily
mount a motor and make series of wood discs mounting a hub on
each.? You could but different paper on each one, and just change
discs when you want to change grits.? It would also be cheap,
could be a fun project, and would let you save space while
providing a lot of flexibility.?
On 1/12/2024 9:57 PM, imranindiana
wrote:
It has been on my list to add a disc sander. My current use will
be to cleanup band sawn templates. Couple of yrs ago, I tried
the oscillating belt sander from HD. After trying 2, I gave up
on the combo (spindle/belt) idea and bought the bench top
oscillating spindle sander, Jet JOBS-5. I have been very happy
with it.
A 25% off no exclusions coupon from HF started this
exercise. Bought the following 12” disc sander for $150:
|
First one was not usable, casting feature for the table
attachment was bad and the AL table was way beyond flat. 2nd
unit, casting is good and the table is still unusable. I
removed the sanding disc, cleaned the sticky crap off and
measured the run off. Half way from center is +/- 0.004” and
near outside perimeter it is?+/-
0.010”. You can feel the bumps easily on the outer
perimeter. If I keep this I will have to build or fix the
table. The disc is cast iron and has milling marks like a
record.?I
may be able to sand the high spot some and reduce the
overall runout. The
unit feels solid in operation and runs w/o noticeable
vibration. The dust collection port does not match my shop
vac but I can probably rig something up. The disc runs at
1750 RPM and is directly mounted to the motor shaft.
Not satisfied, did more
research and this PC model available at Lowe’s looked
promising for $250:
It is a nice little unit. Both tables are AL and flat. The
casting feature for the table attachment is much improved
but still works like what you would expect on a $250
machine. Interestingly, belt needs tracking adjustment
between horizontal and vertical positions but it is not
dangerously off and single knob makes adj a breeze. The
runout near center, middle and near outer perimeter is 3,
7 & 10 thousands of an inch. The disc however is AL.
It has a single port for dust collection and my shop vac
fits. Disc runs at 3450 RPM and belt at 2160 RPM.
I like that it has a
disc and a belt. I removed the discs and cleaned the
plates on both sanders. While cleaning process is okay, I
absolutely do not think it is something I would do to
change grit. I assume no one does this, unless I am
missing some trick. I did look into H&L but appears
that enough heat can generated under heavy use to melt the
backing pad and some also think it makes the disc too soft
(as in having give). Therefore, having 2 sanding options
appeal to me as I could place 2 different grits.
Following from Maksiwa also looks promising for $285.
I have written to Maksiwa and asked if they can share the
flatness specs of disc and table. They acknowledged receipt
but I likely won’t hear back until next week.?I am
reluctant to buy this and some others (Grizzly)
because they are not locally available. All of these may
actually be built by the same company, so chances of getting
an acceptable product in this price range is low and I do not
want to deal with shipping back. Oh! while this comes with
manual brake and cast iron table, the disc is AL.
Since I have not had a machine like this, I not only lack
experience to make a good call, I am also not thinking of
other possible uses. So I thought, I check with the collective
wisdom here. What should I do? I really do not have room for a
stationary machine and would like to keep my outlay low. I
looked for used but nothing exciting came up in my area.
Appreciate your feedback.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
Thanks Aaron. Yes I noted 2 levels of table to machine interface between HF and PC, PC being much better. Delta adds yet another level with larger brackets and a rack and pinion. I had passed on it due to 1/2 HP motor. Maybe worth another look.
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On Jan 13, 2024, at 2:00 AM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote: ?Delta does still make a bench-top disc sander:
It's a smaller 1/2HP motor, but the disc is steel (not aluminum like the Maksiwa).? I have no idea on the flatness specs.? Available from several distributors, but Amazon and Home Depot do have easy returns.? You can probably just bring it back to the store if you bought from Home Depot.? Looks like free shipping from both sources, although Amazon has it on sale right now.
If you look closely at all these bench-top disc sanders, you will see that the table castings are actually different.? Though, they still could all be made in the same Chinese factory.
-Aaron
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Hi Michael, It never occurred to me to build my own. I ?just am not that kind of a guy. I do think that improving a machine is worth it though.
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On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:17 AM, Michael Garrison Stuber <mtgstuber@...> wrote: ?
Hi Imran,
??? Have you considered making your own?? I realize that you've
been commenting on flatness and runout.? You're likely never going
to get the level of flatnesses or runout you may be seeking out of
wood discs and hubs, but do you really need it?? You could easily
mount a motor and make series of wood discs mounting a hub on
each.? You could but different paper on each one, and just change
discs when you want to change grits.? It would also be cheap,
could be a fun project, and would let you save space while
providing a lot of flexibility.?
On 1/12/2024 9:57 PM, imranindiana
wrote:
It has been on my list to add a disc sander. My current use will
be to cleanup band sawn templates. Couple of yrs ago, I tried
the oscillating belt sander from HD. After trying 2, I gave up
on the combo (spindle/belt) idea and bought the bench top
oscillating spindle sander, Jet JOBS-5. I have been very happy
with it.
A 25% off no exclusions coupon from HF started this
exercise. Bought the following 12” disc sander for $150:
|
First one was not usable, casting feature for the table
attachment was bad and the AL table was way beyond flat. 2nd
unit, casting is good and the table is still unusable. I
removed the sanding disc, cleaned the sticky crap off and
measured the run off. Half way from center is +/- 0.004” and
near outside perimeter it is?+/-
0.010”. You can feel the bumps easily on the outer
perimeter. If I keep this I will have to build or fix the
table. The disc is cast iron and has milling marks like a
record.?I
may be able to sand the high spot some and reduce the
overall runout. The
unit feels solid in operation and runs w/o noticeable
vibration. The dust collection port does not match my shop
vac but I can probably rig something up. The disc runs at
1750 RPM and is directly mounted to the motor shaft.
Not satisfied, did more
research and this PC model available at Lowe’s looked
promising for $250:
It is a nice little unit. Both tables are AL and flat. The
casting feature for the table attachment is much improved
but still works like what you would expect on a $250
machine. Interestingly, belt needs tracking adjustment
between horizontal and vertical positions but it is not
dangerously off and single knob makes adj a breeze. The
runout near center, middle and near outer perimeter is 3,
7 & 10 thousands of an inch. The disc however is AL.
It has a single port for dust collection and my shop vac
fits. Disc runs at 3450 RPM and belt at 2160 RPM.
I like that it has a
disc and a belt. I removed the discs and cleaned the
plates on both sanders. While cleaning process is okay, I
absolutely do not think it is something I would do to
change grit. I assume no one does this, unless I am
missing some trick. I did look into H&L but appears
that enough heat can generated under heavy use to melt the
backing pad and some also think it makes the disc too soft
(as in having give). Therefore, having 2 sanding options
appeal to me as I could place 2 different grits.
Following from Maksiwa also looks promising for $285.
I have written to Maksiwa and asked if they can share the
flatness specs of disc and table. They acknowledged receipt
but I likely won’t hear back until next week.?I am
reluctant to buy this and some others (Grizzly)
because they are not locally available. All of these may
actually be built by the same company, so chances of getting
an acceptable product in this price range is low and I do not
want to deal with shipping back. Oh! while this comes with
manual brake and cast iron table, the disc is AL.
Since I have not had a machine like this, I not only lack
experience to make a good call, I am also not thinking of
other possible uses. So I thought, I check with the collective
wisdom here. What should I do? I really do not have room for a
stationary machine and would like to keep my outlay low. I
looked for used but nothing exciting came up in my area.
Appreciate your feedback.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
Hi Brett,
I think what I have found is likely the best I can expect in this price range.
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On Jan 13, 2024, at 9:10 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote: ? There is likely more variability in the abrasives used than the machine tolerances.? I view sanding as an as-built compensation tool, so it's always fudging up to the desired results.
I speculate the lack of good quality midmarket offerings is in part by power capacity of the 110v circuits most customers prefer, thus the jump mostly to the huge stationary industrial units. On Sat, Jan 13, 2024, 2:17?AM Michael Garrison Stuber < mtgstuber@...> wrote:
Hi Imran,
??? Have you considered making your own?? I realize that you've
been commenting on flatness and runout.? You're likely never going
to get the level of flatnesses or runout you may be seeking out of
wood discs and hubs, but do you really need it?? You could easily
mount a motor and make series of wood discs mounting a hub on
each.? You could but different paper on each one, and just change
discs when you want to change grits.? It would also be cheap,
could be a fun project, and would let you save space while
providing a lot of flexibility.?
On 1/12/2024 9:57 PM, imranindiana
wrote:
It has been on my list to add a disc sander. My current use will
be to cleanup band sawn templates. Couple of yrs ago, I tried
the oscillating belt sander from HD. After trying 2, I gave up
on the combo (spindle/belt) idea and bought the bench top
oscillating spindle sander, Jet JOBS-5. I have been very happy
with it.
A 25% off no exclusions coupon from HF started this
exercise. Bought the following 12” disc sander for $150:
|
First one was not usable, casting feature for the table
attachment was bad and the AL table was way beyond flat. 2nd
unit, casting is good and the table is still unusable. I
removed the sanding disc, cleaned the sticky crap off and
measured the run off. Half way from center is +/- 0.004” and
near outside perimeter it is?+/-
0.010”. You can feel the bumps easily on the outer
perimeter. If I keep this I will have to build or fix the
table. The disc is cast iron and has milling marks like a
record.?I
may be able to sand the high spot some and reduce the
overall runout. The
unit feels solid in operation and runs w/o noticeable
vibration. The dust collection port does not match my shop
vac but I can probably rig something up. The disc runs at
1750 RPM and is directly mounted to the motor shaft.
Not satisfied, did more
research and this PC model available at Lowe’s looked
promising for $250:
It is a nice little unit. Both tables are AL and flat. The
casting feature for the table attachment is much improved
but still works like what you would expect on a $250
machine. Interestingly, belt needs tracking adjustment
between horizontal and vertical positions but it is not
dangerously off and single knob makes adj a breeze. The
runout near center, middle and near outer perimeter is 3,
7 & 10 thousands of an inch. The disc however is AL.
It has a single port for dust collection and my shop vac
fits. Disc runs at 3450 RPM and belt at 2160 RPM.
I like that it has a
disc and a belt. I removed the discs and cleaned the
plates on both sanders. While cleaning process is okay, I
absolutely do not think it is something I would do to
change grit. I assume no one does this, unless I am
missing some trick. I did look into H&L but appears
that enough heat can generated under heavy use to melt the
backing pad and some also think it makes the disc too soft
(as in having give). Therefore, having 2 sanding options
appeal to me as I could place 2 different grits.
Following from Maksiwa also looks promising for $285.
I have written to Maksiwa and asked if they can share the
flatness specs of disc and table. They acknowledged receipt
but I likely won’t hear back until next week.?I am
reluctant to buy this and some others (Grizzly)
because they are not locally available. All of these may
actually be built by the same company, so chances of getting
an acceptable product in this price range is low and I do not
want to deal with shipping back. Oh! while this comes with
manual brake and cast iron table, the disc is AL.
Since I have not had a machine like this, I not only lack
experience to make a good call, I am also not thinking of
other possible uses. So I thought, I check with the collective
wisdom here. What should I do? I really do not have room for a
stationary machine and would like to keep my outlay low. I
looked for used but nothing exciting came up in my area.
Appreciate your feedback.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
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I have the Jet bench top 12” disc sander and bobbin sander. ?But are just OK. ?I ended up making a replacement for the table - the original was total crap.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Thanks David. Yup not sure why they can’t make a flat table.
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On Jan 13, 2024, at 11:20 AM, David P. Best <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: ? I have the Jet bench top 12” disc sander and bobbin sander. ?But are just OK. ?I ended up making a replacement for the table - the original was total crap.
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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Hmmmm, the Maksiwa does indeed look promising, but like you said, aluminum disc.
If you get a disc sander with a not-flat table or disc....you could lap the table flat using a wide-belt sandpaper clamped to a reference surface (i.e. jointer bed or table saw top).? Like this guy did with his not-flat Bridge City bench plane:
For the disc flatness, you could get some square grinding material and use the miter gauge on the table to run the grinding stone back and forth against the disc to flatten it.? This would be similar to dressing a precision grinder wheel.? The motor and shaft on the disc sander is, in a sense, its own lathe:
These are just amateur ideas I'm throwing out here. ?
-Aaron
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Hello Imran,
We have used a 1956 Shopsmith with an Aluminum & Steel 12” disk for years. ?It takes up a little space, but the table is flat, one can use a miter gauge, and the speed is variable. ?It cost about $125.00 and does a great job for what it is…
Not the sexiest looking tool, but certainly better the the import junk..
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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Hi Imran:
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I know you said you don’t have space for a stationary machine although some of the machines have an extremely small footprint. I regret selling this 1960s Wadkin with 400mm machined steel plate. I had it on
casters and it was extremely compact.
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This machine was/is in original condition, not “done up” but working just fine (and probably working for the next 50 years too), and cost about $1000AUD which is not very much in USD. I do wonder whether the
quality you’re after is only to be had in vintage machines? Some vintage machines need to be rebuilt. But many do not and run just fine. Maybe a thought?
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Of course the reason why I sold this disc sander is because I upgraded to a 1940s JTA Wadkin Disc and Bobbin sander. This machine weighs 900kg, and the disc is 5/8” machined steel (900mm diameter). Here I’m
shaping prototype chair parts. This machine is obviously not what you’re after but I couldn’t resist sharing. It is actually my most favourite machine in my shop. After turning off the disc, it takes 18 mins (yes 18 full minutes) for the disc to stop rotating.
It is stupendous. The oscillating bobbins (it has four sizes) can sand up to 10” thick material.
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But back to your situation: there is one brand that delivers what you want, in the compact bench-top size, but presumably not in your price range. Hegner make a magnificent (made in Germany) sander. Is that
brand in the US, and are there possibly used options to consider?
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Cheers.
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Warm regards,
Lucky
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Dr David Luckensmeyer
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It has been on my list to add a disc sander. My current use will be to cleanup band sawn templates. Couple of yrs ago, I tried the oscillating belt sander from HD. After trying 2, I gave up on the combo (spindle/belt)
idea and bought the bench top oscillating spindle sander, Jet JOBS-5. I have been very happy with it.
A 25% off no exclusions coupon from HF started this exercise. Bought the following 12” disc sander for $150:
First one was not usable, casting feature for the table attachment was bad and the AL table was way beyond flat. 2nd unit, casting is good and the table is still unusable. I removed the sanding disc, cleaned
the sticky crap off and measured the run off. Half way from center is +/- 0.004” and near outside perimeter it is?+/- 0.010”. You can feel the bumps easily on the outer perimeter. If I keep this I will have to build or fix the table.
The disc is cast iron and has milling marks like a record.?I may be able to sand the high spot some and reduce the overall runout. The unit feels solid in operation and runs w/o noticeable vibration. The dust collection port does not match my shop vac but
I can probably rig something up. The disc runs at 1750 RPM and is directly mounted to the motor shaft.
Not satisfied, did more research and this PC model available at Lowe’s looked promising for $250:
It is a nice little unit. Both tables are AL and flat. The casting feature for the table attachment is much improved but still works like what you would expect on a $250 machine. Interestingly,
belt needs tracking adjustment between horizontal and vertical positions but it is not dangerously off and single knob makes adj a breeze. The runout near center, middle and near outer perimeter is 3, 7 & 10 thousands of an inch. The disc however is AL. It
has a single port for dust collection and my shop vac fits. Disc runs at 3450 RPM and belt at 2160 RPM.
I like that it has a disc and a belt. I removed the discs and cleaned the plates on both sanders. While cleaning process is okay, I absolutely do not think it is something
I would do to change grit. I assume no one does this, unless I am missing some trick. I did look into H&L but appears that enough heat can generated under heavy use to melt the backing pad and some also think it makes the disc too soft (as in having give).
Therefore, having 2 sanding options appeal to me as I could place 2 different grits.
Following from Maksiwa also looks promising for $285.
I have written to Maksiwa and asked if they can share the flatness specs of disc and table. They acknowledged receipt but I likely won’t hear back until next week.?I am reluctant to buy this and some others (Grizzly) because
they are not locally available. All of these may actually be built by the same company, so chances of getting an acceptable product in this price range is low and I do not want to deal with shipping back. Oh! while this comes with manual brake and cast iron
table, the disc is AL.
Since I have not had a machine like this, I not only lack experience to make a good call, I am also not thinking of other possible uses. So I thought, I check with the collective
wisdom here. What should I do? I really do not have room for a stationary machine and would like to keep my outlay low. I looked for used but nothing exciting came up in my area.
Appreciate your feedback.
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Lucky, that disk and bobbin was one of the highlights of my shop tour at your works! Truly an impressive machine!
I agree vintage is better for these type machines. I call these school shop machines. Sanders, chisel mortisers, bandsaws and a few others.
I restored a 15” oliver Disk. It is a wonderful machine also and compact.
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Joe, that Oliver is an absolute beauty. Looks heavy. I’d love to have that machine in my shop. (I’ve decided I can’t have too many sanders.)
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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Lucky, that disk and bobbin was one of the highlights of my shop tour at your works! Truly an impressive machine!
I agree vintage is better for these type machines. I call these school shop machines. Sanders, chisel mortisers, bandsaws and a few others.
I restored a 15” oliver Disk. It is a wonderful machine also and compact.
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Thanks for all the feedback.
Blake, is that sander in a typical shopsmith platform?
Lucky, you have some really beautiful machines including this Watkins JTA disc and bobbin sander. The Hegner is about 1200 euros and have not found it in USA.
I will start with one of these machines locally available and see how much I use it.
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On Jan 14, 2024, at 12:57 AM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote: ?
Joe, that Oliver is an absolute beauty. Looks heavy. I’d love to have that machine in my shop. (I’ve decided I can’t have too many sanders.)
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Lucky, that disk and bobbin was one of the highlights of my shop tour at your works! Truly an impressive machine!
I agree vintage is better for these type machines. I call these school shop machines. Sanders, chisel mortisers, bandsaws and a few others.
I restored a 15” oliver Disk. It is a wonderful machine also and compact.
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Imran,
I purchased a Conquest with Baldor motor 3 phase (see attached). ?I like having it ready to go at all times and used it as recently as an hour ago. ?If I could upgrade it would be to add a VFD as I would prefer to use it at a much slower speed to have better control over wood removal. ?If anyone has a link to what would be the ideal product for my motor, that would be great.
I understand you mentioned constraints with budget and space, so for space I guess a Wadkin or Oliver (nice looking machines compared to my Conquest for sure) would be out along with the David Kumm "cat's meow" Kindt Collins
Perhaps you should consider a vintage one similar to mine where they can be had at a very reasonable price if you find the right one. ?Then there is space. ?One thing I noticed with mine is that it is very easy to move on wheels and with flex dust collection extending above the machine, I am able to move the machine around with limits of course without disconnecting dust collection. ?I have not paid too much attention to the base yet, but surely I could upgrade the base and add some storage under the table below where I would allow room for tilt.
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Imran,
Yes, an accessory usually included. ?Either aluminum or steel disc. They use 12” self adhesive discs. ?The table tilts and goes up and down. ?If you want pictures, pm me…
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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Thanks Mike. Shopsmith and other vintage sanders are nice but not for me at this time. There may be a time in future depending upon how much I use it.
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On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:12 PM, Mike Blake via groups.io <me.blake@...> wrote: ?Imran,
Yes, an accessory usually included. ?Either aluminum or steel disc. They use 12” self adhesive discs. ?The table tilts and goes up and down. ?If you want pictures, pm me…
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors?
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On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 09:09 AM, joelgelman wrote:
I purchased a Conquest with Baldor motor 3 phase (see attached). ?I like having it ready to go at all times and used it as recently as an hour ago. ?If I could upgrade it would be to add a VFD as I would prefer to use it at a much slower speed to have better control over wood removal. ?If anyone has a link to what would be the ideal product for my motor, that would be great.
I found that ATO is a middle-of-the-road price point and works well.? It is Chinese, but built to a higher quality and the adjustment knob on the front actually works (not like the cheap chinese VFDs on Amazon).?? I like being able to dial in the target speed fast with the adjustment instead of having to hit buttons up/down many times to get to my chosen speed. 220V single-phase input ($183): If you want 220V 3-phase input, the cost is actually higher ($293 for 220V input): -Aaron
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Here is a picture: 
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imran
David P. Best
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