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Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities. I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… haha Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets? I found cabinetjoint.com that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice! I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected). RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops?? Assembled and local would be cool too. :) In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years
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On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via groups.io <brandenhelgason@...> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities. ?I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets? ?I found cabinetjoint.com that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice! ?I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected). ?RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops?? ?Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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Mac,
My personal favorite cabinet look is a really well done inset face of doors/drawers. ?So I guess I like face frame cabinets. ?It’s a super clean look to me. ????
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 8, 2025, at 6:08 AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
? ?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via groups.io <brandenhelgason@...> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities. ?I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets? ?I found cabinetjoint.com that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice! ?I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected). ?RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops?? ?Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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Mac,
I prefer frameless. Have only built cabinets for myself the last 20 years. Way back 30 years and more ago the Telluride market was heavy into the UK company Smallbone look of unfitted inset face frame cabinets. Did quite a few of those. I finally got to their showroom in California and was disappointed at the build quality. For frameless build- flush to the doors end panels, fillers and mouldings you can get the same look as inset face frame. A lot easier to build and more functional on the insides.
I do appreciate the quality of a good face frame inset job with butt hinges but prefer frameless for my own stuff.
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Mac,
My personal preference is traditional Face frame beaded inset. Preferably monolithic box construction and generally seamless face frames. Kind of a nightmare to install but hard to get that look any other way.??
Door wise 1" minimum thickness, but I prefer 1.125-1.165" and a profile depth/reveal of 5/8-3/4.?
If it has a toe kick I prefer a valence foot or integral furniture foot. I will say the English look of no toe kick is appealing. I've done that but don't love the functionality.?
I personally don't like the look of framless, even with applied moulding for the inset look.?
?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via <brandenhelgason=[email protected]> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities.? I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets?? I found that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice!? I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected).? RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops??? Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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Mac, I really like the look of beaded face frame, but my wife likes frameless. ?Needless to say, I put frameless in our kitchen with some applied molding with a full overlays. It looks really nice. It makes the slides really easy. ?I do cut cabinet boxes on
the CNC, which also makes the frameless very easy most of the people I’ve done it before I’ve gone with frameless
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?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe.
More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think
about the whole concepts.
Mac,,,
Designing and building for 50 years
On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via groups.io <brandenhelgason@...> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities. ?I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets? ?I found cabinetjoint.com that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice! ?I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected). ?RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops?? ?Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
-- Michael Marsico
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As a kitchen user, I prefer frameless. Style has to take a back seat to function.
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The old style face frames with a center stile was particularly user unfriendly.
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As an amateur who has made more than enough cabinets for my own use, frameless cabinets are pretty easy to make and to install.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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Mac, I’ve done all types, but I much prefer to do an insert door/drawer with a frameless cabinet - similar to what Joe mentions. ?My clients seem to like this as well since it brings a contemporary flair to an otherwise traditional cabinet design. ?Ultimately the choice has a lot to do with the overall design esthetic of the home/room, with victorian at one end, and modern at the other. ?Most of the situations I run into (and prefer to work on) are traditional homes that are being updated in the design esthetic without going hard over to full contemporary cabinets. ?Some examples are shown below the employ this inset frameless build style.
This piece is solid cherry, and the case perimeter is 22mm thickness for both the upper and lower units. Because the client preferred traditional butt hinges, the door/drawer faces are aligned with the cabinet sides. ?Obviously, if contemporary hardware iwere used, the doors/drawer faces can be recessed as desired. ?Build log is?. ?
Below is the companion buffet piece in the same kitchen with a more traditional frame/panel end caps but with flush inset doors/drawers to tie in to the other painted cabinet details in the background. ?Build log?.
In the example below, the cabinet boxes are 30mm thick (18+12mm thick ApplyPly sandwich) with 4mm hardwood edging on the front giving the impression of face frame detailing. ?The doors/drawers are recessed 4mm and employ Blum hinges and undermount slides providing a nice reveal, while at the same time bringing in a contemporary flavor to an otherwise traditional (1940’s) home. ?Build log is.
The cabinets below are three units (for transport) stacked vertically. ?Note the reveal around the perimeter of the entire assembly. ?The door is a square edge profile with over-width styles & rails - I called it “contemporary Shaker”.?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
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On Feb 8, 2025, at 6:08?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via groups.io <brandenhelgason@...> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities. ?I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets? ?I found cabinetjoint.com that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice! ?I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected). ?RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops?? ?Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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This discussion is pertinent to my next project. I plan to build 2 nearly 4’ wide frameless cabinets to flank each side of the murphy bed. These will be 16” deep up to ~24” from floor. Then there is a shelf (end table). Above shelf, the depth will be reduced to 12”. The top section will be nearly 4’ wide and 4’ tall with 2 doors. Below shelf currently there are 2 doors but I am trying to convince my SIL to go with drawers. With drawers the width will need to be reduced to 1/2 - 2 side by side drawers.
I am considering getting Lamello P2 as I need to assemble it away from shop. P2 seems ideal for such assembly.
With P2 joinery, is this ~7’ tall cabinet too wide? Should I make two 2’ wide cabinets instead? I rather not have the middle partition in the open shelf area, so an option could be a middle partition in the top and bottom halves. If going with drawers below shelf, then the lower part will have a partition, regardless
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On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:22?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote: ? Mac, I’ve done all types, but I much prefer to do an insert door/drawer with a frameless cabinet - similar to what Joe mentions. ?My clients seem to like this as well since it brings a contemporary flair to an otherwise traditional cabinet design. ?Ultimately the choice has a lot to do with the overall design esthetic of the home/room, with victorian at one end, and modern at the other. ?Most of the situations I run into (and prefer to work on) are traditional homes that are being updated in the design esthetic without going hard over to full contemporary cabinets. ?Some examples are shown below the employ this inset frameless build style.
This piece is solid cherry, and the case perimeter is 22mm thickness for both the upper and lower units. Because the client preferred traditional butt hinges, the door/drawer faces are aligned with the cabinet sides. ?Obviously, if contemporary hardware iwere used, the doors/drawer faces can be recessed as desired. ?Build log is?. ?
<Framless Inset - 1 (4).jpeg>
Below is the companion buffet piece in the same kitchen with a more traditional frame/panel end caps but with flush inset doors/drawers to tie in to the other painted cabinet details in the background. ?Build log?.
<Framless Inset - 1 (6).jpeg>
In the example below, the cabinet boxes are 30mm thick (18+12mm thick ApplyPly sandwich) with 4mm hardwood edging on the front giving the impression of face frame detailing. ?The doors/drawers are recessed 4mm and employ Blum hinges and undermount slides providing a nice reveal, while at the same time bringing in a contemporary flavor to an otherwise traditional (1940’s) home. ?Build log is.
<Framless Inset - 1 (3).jpeg>
The cabinets below are three units (for transport) stacked vertically. ?Note the reveal around the perimeter of the entire assembly. ?The door is a square edge profile with over-width styles & rails - I called it “contemporary Shaker”.?
<Framless Inset - 1 (5).jpeg>
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best
On Feb 8, 2025, at 6:08?AM, mac campshure via groups.io <mac512002@...> wrote:
?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via groups.io <brandenhelgason@...> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities. ?I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets? ?I found cabinetjoint.com that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice! ?I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected). ?RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops?? ?Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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Imran,
I have built a few 32" wide 24" deep 6.5' tall closets using Lamello P14 connectors. No issue at all.
P14 connectors can deal with any width, but a 4' wide box does not look good to me personally.
Check this post?, onsite assembly using P14 is really easy.
James
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 1:17?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: This discussion is pertinent to my next project. I plan to build 2 nearly 4’ wide frameless cabinets to flank each side of the murphy bed. These will be 16” deep up to ~24” from floor. Then there is a shelf (end table). Above shelf, the depth will be reduced to 12”. The top section will be nearly 4’ wide and 4’ tall with 2 doors. Below shelf currently there are 2 doors but I am trying to convince my SIL to go with drawers. With drawers the width will need to be reduced to 1/2 - 2 side by side drawers.
I am considering getting Lamello P2 as I need to assemble it away from shop. P2 seems ideal for such assembly.
With P2 joinery, is this ~7’ tall cabinet too wide? Should I make two 2’ wide cabinets instead? I rather not have the middle partition in the open shelf area, so an option could be a middle partition in the top and bottom halves. If going with drawers below shelf, then the lower part will have a partition, regardless On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:22?PM, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: ?Mac, I’ve done all types, but I much prefer to do an insert door/drawer with a frameless cabinet - similar to what Joe mentions.? My clients seem to like this as well since it brings a contemporary flair to an otherwise traditional cabinet design.? Ultimately the choice has a lot to do with the overall design esthetic of the home/room, with victorian at one end, and modern at the other.? Most of the situations I run into (and prefer to work on) are traditional homes that are being updated in the design esthetic without going hard over to full contemporary cabinets.? Some examples are shown below the employ this inset frameless build style.
This piece is solid cherry, and the case perimeter is 22mm thickness for both the upper and lower units. Because the client preferred traditional butt hinges, the door/drawer faces are aligned with the cabinet sides.? Obviously, if contemporary hardware iwere used, the doors/drawer faces can be recessed as desired.? Build log is?. ?
<Framless Inset - 1 (4).jpeg>
Below is the companion buffet piece in the same kitchen with a more traditional frame/panel end caps but with flush inset doors/drawers to tie in to the other painted cabinet details in the background.? Build log?.
<Framless Inset - 1 (6).jpeg>
In the example below, the cabinet boxes are 30mm thick (18+12mm thick ApplyPly sandwich) with 4mm hardwood edging on the front giving the impression of face frame detailing.? The doors/drawers are recessed 4mm and employ Blum hinges and undermount slides providing a nice reveal, while at the same time bringing in a contemporary flavor to an otherwise traditional (1940’s) home.? Build log is.
<Framless Inset - 1 (3).jpeg>
The cabinets below are three units (for transport) stacked vertically.? Note the reveal around the perimeter of the entire assembly.? The door is a square edge profile with over-width styles & rails - I called it “contemporary Shaker”.?
<Framless Inset - 1 (5).jpeg>
?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via <brandenhelgason=[email protected]> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities.? I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets?? I found that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice!? I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected).? RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops??? Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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Hi James,
I was hoping to hear that it would be okay. I am sure a full back will add a lot of rigidity. I have been playing with the design. I have not reduced the depth of the uppers. It is very likely that the middle bed cabinet will be higher than the 2 flanking ones.
Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations
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Imran,
I have built a few 32" wide 24" deep 6.5' tall closets using Lamello P14 connectors. No issue at all.
P14 connectors can deal with any width, but a 4' wide box does not look good to me personally.
Check this post , onsite assembly using P14 is really easy.
James
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 1:17?PM imranindiana via ?<imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
This discussion is pertinent to my next project. I plan to build 2 nearly 4’ wide frameless cabinets to flank each side of the murphy bed. These will be 16” deep up to ~24” from floor. Then there is a shelf (end table). Above shelf,
the depth will be reduced to 12”. The top section will be nearly 4’ wide and 4’ tall with 2 doors. Below shelf currently there are 2 doors but I am trying to convince my SIL to go with drawers. With drawers the width will need to be reduced to 1/2 - 2 side
by side drawers.
I am considering getting Lamello P2 as I need to assemble it away from shop. P2 seems ideal for such assembly.
With P2 joinery, is this ~7’ tall cabinet too wide? Should I make two 2’ wide cabinets instead? I rather not have the middle partition in the open shelf area, so an option could be a middle partition in the top and bottom halves.
If going with drawers below shelf, then the lower part will have a partition, regardless
Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations
On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:22?PM, David P. Best via ?<dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote:
?Mac, I’ve done all types, but I much prefer to do an insert door/drawer with a frameless cabinet - similar to what Joe mentions.? My clients seem to like this as well since it brings a contemporary flair to an otherwise traditional
cabinet design.? Ultimately the choice has a lot to do with the overall design esthetic of the home/room, with victorian at one end, and modern at the other.? Most of the situations I run into (and prefer to work on) are traditional homes that are being updated
in the design esthetic without going hard over to full contemporary cabinets.? Some examples are shown below the employ this inset frameless build style.
This piece is solid cherry, and the case perimeter is 22mm thickness for both the upper and lower units. Because the client preferred traditional butt hinges, the door/drawer faces are aligned with the cabinet sides.? Obviously,
if contemporary hardware iwere used, the doors/drawer faces can be recessed as desired.? Build log is
. ?
<Framless Inset - 1 (4).jpeg>
Below is the companion buffet piece in the same kitchen with a more traditional frame/panel end caps but with flush inset doors/drawers to tie in to the other painted cabinet details in the background.? Build log
.
<Framless Inset - 1 (6).jpeg>
In the example below, the cabinet boxes are 30mm thick (18+12mm thick ApplyPly sandwich) with 4mm hardwood edging on the front giving the impression of face frame detailing.? The doors/drawers are recessed 4mm and employ Blum hinges
and undermount slides providing a nice reveal, while at the same time bringing in a contemporary flavor to an otherwise traditional (1940’s) home.? Build log is.
<Framless Inset - 1 (3).jpeg>
The cabinets below are three units (for transport) stacked vertically.? Note the reveal around the perimeter of the entire assembly.? The door is a square edge profile with over-width styles & rails - I called it “contemporary Shaker”.?
<Framless Inset - 1 (5).jpeg>
?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe.
More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have
done and what they think about the whole concepts.
Mac,,,
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell
Designing and building for 50 years
On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via ?<brandenhelgason= [email protected]> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities.? I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets?? I found
?that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice!? I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected).? RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops??? Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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I do a lot of frameless cabinets with the Lamello. I wouldn’t recommend a 4 foot wide assembly with no center support. ?
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 1:17?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: This discussion is pertinent to my next project. I plan to build 2 nearly 4’ wide frameless cabinets to flank each side of the murphy bed. These will be 16” deep up to ~24” from floor. Then there is a shelf (end table). Above shelf, the depth will be reduced to 12”. The top section will be nearly 4’ wide and 4’ tall with 2 doors. Below shelf currently there are 2 doors but I am trying to convince my SIL to go with drawers. With drawers the width will need to be reduced to 1/2 - 2 side by side drawers.
I am considering getting Lamello P2 as I need to assemble it away from shop. P2 seems ideal for such assembly.
With P2 joinery, is this ~7’ tall cabinet too wide? Should I make two 2’ wide cabinets instead? I rather not have the middle partition in the open shelf area, so an option could be a middle partition in the top and bottom halves. If going with drawers below shelf, then the lower part will have a partition, regardless On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:22?PM, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: ?Mac, I’ve done all types, but I much prefer to do an insert door/drawer with a frameless cabinet - similar to what Joe mentions.? My clients seem to like this as well since it brings a contemporary flair to an otherwise traditional cabinet design.? Ultimately the choice has a lot to do with the overall design esthetic of the home/room, with victorian at one end, and modern at the other.? Most of the situations I run into (and prefer to work on) are traditional homes that are being updated in the design esthetic without going hard over to full contemporary cabinets.? Some examples are shown below the employ this inset frameless build style.
This piece is solid cherry, and the case perimeter is 22mm thickness for both the upper and lower units. Because the client preferred traditional butt hinges, the door/drawer faces are aligned with the cabinet sides.? Obviously, if contemporary hardware iwere used, the doors/drawer faces can be recessed as desired.? Build log is?. ?
<Framless Inset - 1 (4).jpeg>
Below is the companion buffet piece in the same kitchen with a more traditional frame/panel end caps but with flush inset doors/drawers to tie in to the other painted cabinet details in the background.? Build log?.
<Framless Inset - 1 (6).jpeg>
In the example below, the cabinet boxes are 30mm thick (18+12mm thick ApplyPly sandwich) with 4mm hardwood edging on the front giving the impression of face frame detailing.? The doors/drawers are recessed 4mm and employ Blum hinges and undermount slides providing a nice reveal, while at the same time bringing in a contemporary flavor to an otherwise traditional (1940’s) home.? Build log is.
<Framless Inset - 1 (3).jpeg>
The cabinets below are three units (for transport) stacked vertically.? Note the reveal around the perimeter of the entire assembly.? The door is a square edge profile with over-width styles & rails - I called it “contemporary Shaker”.?
<Framless Inset - 1 (5).jpeg>
?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via <brandenhelgason=[email protected]> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities.? I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets?? I found that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice!? I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected).? RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops??? Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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Thanks Andy. Do you think vertical middle supports in the top (4’ section) and ?bottom (2’ section) be sufficient, as opposed to from top to bottom?
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On Feb 8, 2025, at 2:22?PM, Andy via groups.io <andy.raynor08@...> wrote: ? I do a lot of frameless cabinets with the Lamello. I wouldn’t recommend a 4 foot wide assembly with no center support. ? On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 1:17?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: This discussion is pertinent to my next project. I plan to build 2 nearly 4’ wide frameless cabinets to flank each side of the murphy bed. These will be 16” deep up to ~24” from floor. Then there is a shelf (end table). Above shelf, the depth will be reduced to 12”. The top section will be nearly 4’ wide and 4’ tall with 2 doors. Below shelf currently there are 2 doors but I am trying to convince my SIL to go with drawers. With drawers the width will need to be reduced to 1/2 - 2 side by side drawers.
I am considering getting Lamello P2 as I need to assemble it away from shop. P2 seems ideal for such assembly.
With P2 joinery, is this ~7’ tall cabinet too wide? Should I make two 2’ wide cabinets instead? I rather not have the middle partition in the open shelf area, so an option could be a middle partition in the top and bottom halves. If going with drawers below shelf, then the lower part will have a partition, regardless On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:22?PM, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: ?Mac, I’ve done all types, but I much prefer to do an insert door/drawer with a frameless cabinet - similar to what Joe mentions.? My clients seem to like this as well since it brings a contemporary flair to an otherwise traditional cabinet design.? Ultimately the choice has a lot to do with the overall design esthetic of the home/room, with victorian at one end, and modern at the other.? Most of the situations I run into (and prefer to work on) are traditional homes that are being updated in the design esthetic without going hard over to full contemporary cabinets.? Some examples are shown below the employ this inset frameless build style.
This piece is solid cherry, and the case perimeter is 22mm thickness for both the upper and lower units. Because the client preferred traditional butt hinges, the door/drawer faces are aligned with the cabinet sides.? Obviously, if contemporary hardware iwere used, the doors/drawer faces can be recessed as desired.? Build log is?. ?
<Framless Inset - 1 (4).jpeg>
Below is the companion buffet piece in the same kitchen with a more traditional frame/panel end caps but with flush inset doors/drawers to tie in to the other painted cabinet details in the background.? Build log?.
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In the example below, the cabinet boxes are 30mm thick (18+12mm thick ApplyPly sandwich) with 4mm hardwood edging on the front giving the impression of face frame detailing.? The doors/drawers are recessed 4mm and employ Blum hinges and undermount slides providing a nice reveal, while at the same time bringing in a contemporary flavor to an otherwise traditional (1940’s) home.? Build log is.
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The cabinets below are three units (for transport) stacked vertically.? Note the reveal around the perimeter of the entire assembly.? The door is a square edge profile with over-width styles & rails - I called it “contemporary Shaker”.?
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?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via <brandenhelgason=[email protected]> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities.? I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets?? I found that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice!? I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected).? RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops??? Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
|
Imran,
?
Perhaps you can post sketches in a separate thread so we can see what you are trying to do? You will surely get lots of comments, as we all love “back seat driving”.
?
Who knows - maybe you will get a useful comment?
?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
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LOL, I shared couple of drawings in my response to James, but these are a bit old and don't have the reduced depth of the uppers. I like your suggestion. When? I have the updated version, I wil start a new thread.
Thanks,
Imran
IAM Wood Creations
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Imran,
?
Perhaps you can post sketches in a separate thread so we can see what you are trying to do? You will surely get lots of comments, as we all love “back seat driving”.
?
Who knows - maybe you will get a useful comment?
?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
|
Imran,
I never received any drawings from you. You must have sent it to someone else :)
For a tall 4' wide box, you will need rigid support from either 3/8 to 1/2" back panel or fixed middle shelf, or both.
James
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 2:41?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
LOL, I shared couple of drawings in my response to James, but these are a bit old and don't have the reduced depth of the uppers. I like your suggestion. When? I have the updated version, I wil start a new thread.
Thanks,
Imran
IAM Wood Creations
Imran,
?
Perhaps you can post sketches in a separate thread so we can see what you are trying to do? You will surely get lots of comments, as we all love “back seat driving”.
?
Who knows - maybe you will get a useful comment?
?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
|
I did a mudroom some time ago with 42 inch wide boxes and a vertical support at around 36 inches if I recall correctly. The larger opening had deflection in the middle which threw off my reveals.?
24 inch is the sweet spot for the lamello in my opinion.
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 2:28?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Andy. Do you think vertical middle supports in the top (4’ section) and ?bottom (2’ section) be sufficient, as opposed to from top to bottom?
? I do a lot of frameless cabinets with the Lamello. I wouldn’t recommend a 4 foot wide assembly with no center support. ? On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 1:17?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: This discussion is pertinent to my next project. I plan to build 2 nearly 4’ wide frameless cabinets to flank each side of the murphy bed. These will be 16” deep up to ~24” from floor. Then there is a shelf (end table). Above shelf, the depth will be reduced to 12”. The top section will be nearly 4’ wide and 4’ tall with 2 doors. Below shelf currently there are 2 doors but I am trying to convince my SIL to go with drawers. With drawers the width will need to be reduced to 1/2 - 2 side by side drawers.
I am considering getting Lamello P2 as I need to assemble it away from shop. P2 seems ideal for such assembly.
With P2 joinery, is this ~7’ tall cabinet too wide? Should I make two 2’ wide cabinets instead? I rather not have the middle partition in the open shelf area, so an option could be a middle partition in the top and bottom halves. If going with drawers below shelf, then the lower part will have a partition, regardless On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:22?PM, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: ?Mac, I’ve done all types, but I much prefer to do an insert door/drawer with a frameless cabinet - similar to what Joe mentions.? My clients seem to like this as well since it brings a contemporary flair to an otherwise traditional cabinet design.? Ultimately the choice has a lot to do with the overall design esthetic of the home/room, with victorian at one end, and modern at the other.? Most of the situations I run into (and prefer to work on) are traditional homes that are being updated in the design esthetic without going hard over to full contemporary cabinets.? Some examples are shown below the employ this inset frameless build style.
This piece is solid cherry, and the case perimeter is 22mm thickness for both the upper and lower units. Because the client preferred traditional butt hinges, the door/drawer faces are aligned with the cabinet sides.? Obviously, if contemporary hardware iwere used, the doors/drawer faces can be recessed as desired.? Build log is?. ?
<Framless Inset - 1 (4).jpeg>
Below is the companion buffet piece in the same kitchen with a more traditional frame/panel end caps but with flush inset doors/drawers to tie in to the other painted cabinet details in the background.? Build log?.
<Framless Inset - 1 (6).jpeg>
In the example below, the cabinet boxes are 30mm thick (18+12mm thick ApplyPly sandwich) with 4mm hardwood edging on the front giving the impression of face frame detailing.? The doors/drawers are recessed 4mm and employ Blum hinges and undermount slides providing a nice reveal, while at the same time bringing in a contemporary flavor to an otherwise traditional (1940’s) home.? Build log is.
<Framless Inset - 1 (3).jpeg>
The cabinets below are three units (for transport) stacked vertically.? Note the reveal around the perimeter of the entire assembly.? The door is a square edge profile with over-width styles & rails - I called it “contemporary Shaker”.?
<Framless Inset - 1 (5).jpeg>
?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via <brandenhelgason=[email protected]> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities.? I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets?? I found that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice!? I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected).? RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops??? Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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Thanks Andy. Rather be safe than sorry.
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On Feb 8, 2025, at 3:11?PM, Andy via groups.io <andy.raynor08@...> wrote: ? I did a mudroom some time ago with 42 inch wide boxes and a vertical support at around 36 inches if I recall correctly. The larger opening had deflection in the middle which threw off my reveals.?
24 inch is the sweet spot for the lamello in my opinion. On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 2:28?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Andy. Do you think vertical middle supports in the top (4’ section) and ?bottom (2’ section) be sufficient, as opposed to from top to bottom?
? I do a lot of frameless cabinets with the Lamello. I wouldn’t recommend a 4 foot wide assembly with no center support. ? On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 1:17?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: This discussion is pertinent to my next project. I plan to build 2 nearly 4’ wide frameless cabinets to flank each side of the murphy bed. These will be 16” deep up to ~24” from floor. Then there is a shelf (end table). Above shelf, the depth will be reduced to 12”. The top section will be nearly 4’ wide and 4’ tall with 2 doors. Below shelf currently there are 2 doors but I am trying to convince my SIL to go with drawers. With drawers the width will need to be reduced to 1/2 - 2 side by side drawers.
I am considering getting Lamello P2 as I need to assemble it away from shop. P2 seems ideal for such assembly.
With P2 joinery, is this ~7’ tall cabinet too wide? Should I make two 2’ wide cabinets instead? I rather not have the middle partition in the open shelf area, so an option could be a middle partition in the top and bottom halves. If going with drawers below shelf, then the lower part will have a partition, regardless On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:22?PM, David P. Best via <dbestworkshop= [email protected]> wrote: ?Mac, I’ve done all types, but I much prefer to do an insert door/drawer with a frameless cabinet - similar to what Joe mentions.? My clients seem to like this as well since it brings a contemporary flair to an otherwise traditional cabinet design.? Ultimately the choice has a lot to do with the overall design esthetic of the home/room, with victorian at one end, and modern at the other.? Most of the situations I run into (and prefer to work on) are traditional homes that are being updated in the design esthetic without going hard over to full contemporary cabinets.? Some examples are shown below the employ this inset frameless build style.
This piece is solid cherry, and the case perimeter is 22mm thickness for both the upper and lower units. Because the client preferred traditional butt hinges, the door/drawer faces are aligned with the cabinet sides.? Obviously, if contemporary hardware iwere used, the doors/drawer faces can be recessed as desired.? Build log is?. ?
<Framless Inset - 1 (4).jpeg>
Below is the companion buffet piece in the same kitchen with a more traditional frame/panel end caps but with flush inset doors/drawers to tie in to the other painted cabinet details in the background.? Build log?.
<Framless Inset - 1 (6).jpeg>
In the example below, the cabinet boxes are 30mm thick (18+12mm thick ApplyPly sandwich) with 4mm hardwood edging on the front giving the impression of face frame detailing.? The doors/drawers are recessed 4mm and employ Blum hinges and undermount slides providing a nice reveal, while at the same time bringing in a contemporary flavor to an otherwise traditional (1940’s) home.? Build log is.
<Framless Inset - 1 (3).jpeg>
The cabinets below are three units (for transport) stacked vertically.? Note the reveal around the perimeter of the entire assembly.? The door is a square edge profile with over-width styles & rails - I called it “contemporary Shaker”.?
<Framless Inset - 1 (5).jpeg>
?Couple things come to mind I’ve been watching a series called for the love of kitchens. The manufacturer is Duval based in London and Brooklyn, I believe. More traditional with freestanding furniture. Second thing that I’m always interested in is the pros and cons of face frame no face frame. I built both and I’m just not sure what I like. I’m interested in what other people have done and what they think about the whole concepts. Mac,,, Designing and building for 50 years On Feb 7, 2025, at 6:36?PM, Branden Helgason via <brandenhelgason=[email protected]> wrote:
?Hi All,
We’re rebuilding our house and will need kitchen cabinets and bathroom vanities.? I had grand illusions of building the cabinets myself, even convinced my wife it was possible… ?haha ?Lots of stuff going on and I have a day job, I need to purchase.
Like the Outsourced draw box discussion, any recommendations for custom, but reasonably priced cabinets?? I found that sells Conestoga cabinets, they look very nice!? I got a sample from Barker cabinets (much nicer than I expected).? RTA.
Any other good options? Any small shops??? Assembled and local would be cool too. ?:) ??In San Jose CA.
Thanks
Branden
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James, they are attached to my earlier response to you here.
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On Feb 8, 2025, at 2:53?PM, James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? Imran,
I never received any drawings from you. You must have sent it to someone else :)
For a tall 4' wide box, you will need rigid support from either 3/8 to 1/2" back panel or fixed middle shelf, or both.
James
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 2:41?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
LOL, I shared couple of drawings in my response to James, but these are a bit old and don't have the reduced depth of the uppers. I like your suggestion. When? I have the updated version, I wil start a new thread.
Thanks,
Imran
IAM Wood Creations
Imran,
?
Perhaps you can post sketches in a separate thread so we can see what you are trying to do? You will surely get lots of comments, as we all love “back seat driving”.
?
Who knows - maybe you will get a useful comment?
?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
|
Sorry. I missed that.? Honestly, the 4' wide cabinet box is too wide, so the door's width is 24". It may look ok on the drawing, but not in real life.
James
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 3:15?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: James, they are attached to my earlier response to you here. ? Imran,
I never received any drawings from you. You must have sent it to someone else :)
For a tall 4' wide box, you will need rigid support from either 3/8 to 1/2" back panel or fixed middle shelf, or both.
James
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 2:41?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
LOL, I shared couple of drawings in my response to James, but these are a bit old and don't have the reduced depth of the uppers. I like your suggestion. When? I have the updated version, I wil start a new thread.
Thanks,
Imran
IAM Wood Creations
Imran,
?
Perhaps you can post sketches in a separate thread so we can see what you are trying to do? You will surely get lots of comments, as we all love “back seat driving”.
?
Who knows - maybe you will get a useful comment?
?
--
John Hinman
Boise ID
Kappa 450X and A941
|
David P. Best
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