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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).  
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It would seem to me those 2 bolts that extend downwards would require me to move them upward (and I have loosened the set screw that is on the top side). But unfortunately after a certain point of "tightening" those bolts the table starts to move downwards.
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Hi Andy,
I have a brand new one as well, just rolled it off the pallet about two weeks ago. ?I’ve ordered some miscellaneous parts for it, before I start setting it up. ?I’ll be curious to know how yours goes. ?That issue you brought up about adjusting the infeed table seems like it’s been asked before. ?I can’t remember if this was the issue that gets resolved with a hammer/mallet blow or if that was something completely different.
Once I get all my miscellaneous parts in and installed, I’ve armed myself with the David Best Survival Guide for the AD941 and will be going at myself. ?I’ll follow along as you work through yours.
Thx,
Wade
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:58 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
?I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).  
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I think the hammer/mallet blow was in regards to lowering the outfeed table. My outfeed table as-received was quite a bit above the cutterhead knives. I loosened the height adjustment bolt, but that alone will not lower the outfeed table. For me, even striking with a mallet did nothing, and even putting 210# of free weights on the outfeed table overnight didn't lower it completely. I literally had to jump on the outfeed table directly over the supports to lower it even a few thousandths. Thankfully, I now have the outfeed table completely level/parallel with the cutterhead and between 0.001" and 0.002" below the cutterhead knives. If you want me to elaborate any more on that procedure, I can do that. I have corresponded with David Best as well, and he is top-notch in his support, his documentation, and of course his knowledge and experience. I wouldn't be as far along as I am without him.
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This is the parts diagram for the hinge mechanism on the AD941. ?The “Hinge Pin” is item #1 (green arrow), and the elevation and slope of the table (going toward the cutterblock), is adjusted by moving this pin at either or both ends. ?The pin can be repositioned at each end using the long M10 cap screws called out as #6 (red arrows).
Those elevation screws are noted in your photos with red arrows:
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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One more comment. ?The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below. ?Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down. ?Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway. ?Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws. ?I really detest this mechanism. ?
David Best
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Hi David, While I'm adjusting those M10 cap screws, I'm assuming:
- I "tighten" them (move them upward) to move the table up
- I should have the kip lever on the infeed side lightly tightened (and the outfeed one loose)
True?
I did loosen the set screws on top considerably, and the lateral ones just a little (to allow for the up-down movement as you suggest). What I found was that as I tightened the left M10 cap screw ("left" as viewed from the back of the machine...the screw farthest away from the cutterhead)...that the table moved up for awhile and then my dial indicator indicator it was going down. That was confounding. I need to re-check my measurement devices, though, and make sure something wasn't causing an inaccurate reading.
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? ? Andy,
I fully understand your thoughts about David Best, the guy is a Walking Institution! ?
Which cutter set up are you running? ?You mentioned your outfeed table is now 001”-.002” below the cutter knives, just wondering if your running straight knives. ?I also saw a different measurement for setting the outfeed table to the cutting block, which is different from setting to knives. ?See attached pictures. ?But I’m wondering if this cutter block dimension is also true for someone that is running the Silent Power spiral knife cutting block set up?
Wade
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?I think the hammer/mallet blow was in regards to lowering the outfeed table. My outfeed table as-received was quite a bit above the cutterhead knives. I loosened the height adjustment bolt, but that alone will not lower the outfeed table. For me, even striking with a mallet did nothing, and even putting 210# of free weights on the outfeed table overnight didn't lower it completely. I literally had to jump on the outfeed table directly over the supports to lower it even a few thousandths. Thankfully, I now have the outfeed table completely level/parallel with the cutterhead and between 0.001" and 0.002" below the cutterhead knives. If you want me to elaborate any more on that procedure, I can do that. I have corresponded with David Best as well, and he is top-notch in his support, his documentation, and of course his knowledge and experience. I wouldn't be as far along as I am without him.
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?Hi David, While I'm adjusting those M10 cap screws, I'm assuming:
- I "tighten" them (move them upward) to move the table up
Correct. Righty-tighty. Lefty-loosey.?
- I should have the kip lever on the infeed side lightly tightened (and the outfeed one loose)
The latch side of the table should be unlatched when making this adjustment. ? Once you get the hinge side of the infeed table coplanar to the hinge side of the outfeed table, then turn attention to the latch side. ?You can adjust the slope of both tables on the latch side by altering the relative heights of the two temple bolts for each table. ?Carbon paper is a good way to test those alignments. ?LOL
David Best?
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Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James
One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Which cutter set up are you running? ?You mentioned your outfeed table is now 001”-.002” below the cutter knives, just wondering if your running straight knives. ?I also saw a different measurement for setting the outfeed table to the cutting block, which is different from setting to knives. ?See attached pictures. ?But I’m wondering if this cutter block dimension is also true for someone that is running the Silent Power spiral knife cutting block set up?
I'm running the Silent Power cutterhead. And yes...in order to get the knives 0.001" above the outfeed table, the smooth surface of the cutterhead (cutting block) needed to be 0.032" below the outfeed table.
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 6:31 PM, Andy Pickler <andy.pickler@...> wrote:
? Which cutter set up are you running? ?You mentioned your outfeed table is now 001”-.002” below the cutter knives, just wondering if your running straight knives. ?I also saw a different measurement for setting the outfeed table to the cutting block, which is different from setting to knives. ?See attached pictures. ?But I’m wondering if this cutter block dimension is also true for someone that is running the Silent Power spiral knife cutting block set up?
I'm running the Silent Power cutterhead. And yes...in order to get the knives 0.001" above the outfeed table, the smooth surface of the cutterhead (cutting block) needed to be 0.032" below the outfeed table.
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James, Felder most certainly can have a jointer that makes a flat board, it all depends on what setting is at when you get it. These settings are adjustable and you can get what ever cut you want. You can complain all day long that it’s not the way you want it, but they deliver how they think is best, whether we agree with that or not, really doesn’t matter. Set it how you want it to cut and move on.
Brian Lamb
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www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 5:56 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Brain,
I know the jointer tables are adjustable, but it is not a trivial task.?
Maybe you can do a group survey to see how many people want to have a jointer producing the flat board right after it is delivered to them without any adjustment.
I think what customers want matters the?most, it is 2023. Felder can make money because customers give them money to buy the machine.
James
On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 9:57?PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: James, Felder most certainly can have a jointer that makes a flat board, it all depends on what setting is at when you get it. These settings are adjustable and you can get what ever cut you want. You can complain all day long that it’s not the way you want it, but they deliver how they think is best, whether we agree with that or not, really doesn’t matter. Set it how you want it to cut and move on.
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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…it’s Friday, time for ? off the wall ? concepts…
Given that Felder positions itself as a company offering its customers ? machines built to specs ?, could we envision being able to specify the calibration on the machine? One could then choose between spring joint or flat setting.
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Ummm…it’s Saturday where I’m at. ???
Wade ???
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Jacques Gagnon <jacques.gagnon309@...> wrote:
?…it’s Friday, time for ? off the wall ? concepts…
Given that Felder positions itself as a company offering its customers ? machines built to specs ?, could we envision being able to specify the calibration on the machine? One could then choose between spring joint or flat setting.
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James,
In my experience spring or flat has been mostly effected by outfeed table height. Setting the outfeed to be .001” below the cutting edges is a trivial adjustment.?
I have said this time and again, these machines could have been perfect when set at the factory, and given the issues inherent of having tables that flop up and down on hinges, they rarely make it to their destination with the same settings they left the factory with. Even if Felder USA went back over the machines upon arrival here, there is no guarantee that they make it from them to the customer without rough handling that can make the tables out of spec.
The only way you are getting a machine that will be perfect is to buy a much heavier duty machine, like a Martin or Hoffman, and maybe even the SCMI like PK got, at considerably higher expense. Felder could also calibrate it in your shop, again, at considerable expense, or you be willing to make some minor adjustments and have the machine do what you want it to do.
If the tables are flat and just out of alignment, adjusting a jointer is about as trivial as it gets in the realm of this level of machinery.
Brian Lamb
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www.lambtoolworks.com
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On Jul 8, 2023, at 7:37 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Brain,
I know the jointer tables are adjustable, but it is not a trivial task.?
Maybe you can do a group survey to see how many people want to have a jointer producing the flat board right after it is delivered to them without any adjustment.
I think what customers want matters the?most, it is 2023. Felder can make money because customers give them money to buy the machine.
James
On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 9:57?PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: James, Felder most certainly can have a jointer that makes a flat board, it all depends on what setting is at when you get it. These settings are adjustable and you can get what ever cut you want. You can complain all day long that it’s not the way you want it, but they deliver how they think is best, whether we agree with that or not, really doesn’t matter. Set it how you want it to cut and move on.
Clearly, Felder is proud of their table adjustment mechanism, they think they are the best.?
It is the same mechanism on my?2016 AD741. I just shake my head that Felder still cannot deliver a jointer to produce the FLAT board.
James One more comment.? The Hinge Pin is held in lateral position via set screws on both sides and the top shown in red arrows below.? Those may need to be loosened (especially the top one) in order to get the pin to actually move up/down.? Go easy on these, you don’t want the pin wallowing about like a hotdog in a hallway.? Once you’re done moving the pin up/down, re-secure those set screws.? I really detest this mechanism. ?
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I'm curious if anyone has a newer generation AD941 and has been able to adjust the infeed table to be coplanar with the outfeed table. In particular, what seems like it should be a simple adjustment on the hinge side is not working out according to my intuition (but I'm no machinist).<IMG_3456.jpeg><IMG_3455.jpeg>
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Andy, I would love for you to elaborate more on the procedure. I just sprayed the sides of the outfield table with WD40 again to let it sit overnight. Ive tried a mallet and I'm at my wits end. Not going to hesitate to jump on the table at this point. I am worried that the outfeed table will "fall" farther than expected if the adjustment knob isn't close to the correct position. Did you have any issue with this??
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The proper procedure when adjusting the overall height of the jointer outfeed table is to first lower it to a position you know is “too low” and then bring it upward little-by-little until you get it to the proper height. ?Always adjust the outfeed table hight by moving it upward - never downward or you could get side-to-side differences in how the table aligns with the butterhead.
Don’t be afraid to get on the table and jump gingerly once the elevation knob is loosened. ?If you want a full procedure Survival Guide, DM me.
David Best
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On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:13?PM, justin.freeney03@... wrote:
Andy, I would love for you to elaborate more on the procedure. I just sprayed the sides of the outfield table with WD40 again to let it sit overnight. Ive tried a mallet and I'm at my wits end. Not going to hesitate to jump on the table at this point. I am worried that the outfeed table will "fall" farther than expected if the adjustment knob isn't close to the correct position. Did you have any issue with this??
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Andy Pickler
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