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A note of caution


 

I found 3.? The one below is $20 and rated somewhat higher than the free ones.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fall_detection
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Jerry P

Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans.
"You can observe a lot by watching."? Yogi Berra


 

I don't honestly know if I'd want to trust my health to any of them.? Android really wants to freeze background apps that you don't interact with so it can save power, and over time there's been a sort of arms race between app developers and the core of Android.? A fall app that isn't actually running when you fall isn't going to do you any good.? Just because it works today doesn't mean that it's going to work next week, and it really doesn't mean that it's going to work 6 months from now.? Honestly, IOS isn't really any better here.? They're both hyperaggressive about killing off background services; that's pretty much the only reason that your battery lasts more than a few hours.? You're almost certainly better off with a watch that advertises this as one of its core features.


On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 10:59 AM Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
I found 3.? The one below is $20 and rated somewhat higher than the free ones.


--
Jerry P

Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans.
"You can observe a lot by watching."? Yogi Berra


 

Jason,

Thanks for sharing, what a sobering read that first post was!!! I hope Craig comes out of this okay, sounds like he's already on track to.


 

I'm a new member who is among the many to take advantage of the pandemic to begin building my long-imagined hobby shop. I've learned a lot already from this group, but I did not think I would have the opportunity to contribute anything useful for a while ¨C that is until this unexpected discussion on fall detection using smart devices. As it turns out, my day job is at Stanford University where my research focus is on medical applications of wearables.

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Another nice feature of many smartwatches is the ability to make a call using voice commands if you happen to find yourself trapped under a stack of lumber and you cannot get to your phone. Still, this does nothing if you are unconscious or confused from the fall. In that situation, Scott is correct about the limitations of smartphone apps for fall detection. You cannot rely on them since apps running in the background can be frozen without notifying you. You can try to get around this by closing the app and reopening it each time you enter the shop, but this introduces too much human error and it may still be frozen after several hours in the shop. The Apple Watch fall detection is different. It runs continuously in the background and it does not freeze or shut down, unless you disable the feature or drain the battery. Unfortunately, no other current smart watch can reliably provide this same feature. The only other reliable fall alert devices available at this time are single function dongles or wristbands geared toward the elderly with mobility limitations and they require a monthly service fee.?

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Fall detection and other medical uses of smartwatches and other wearables are expanding rapidly. All of the manufacturers are trying to maintain/expand market edge so what I say today could change tomorrow. I expect Google and others to provide reliable fall detection in a smartwatch anytime within the next 2-3 years.?

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On a related topic, I am considering connecting a Bluetooth switch to my dust collection system to start/stop from my smartwatch. If that works out, I¡¯ll have a 2nd?opportunity to post something useful to this forum. Until then, I¡¯ll continue lurking in the shadows.?

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Matt


 


Thanks Matt?
I¡¯ve checked the literature on the apple series 6 watches and can¡¯t find anything about fall detection? Is it there and apple isn¡¯t promoting it?
Thanks?
Bill B¨¦langer?

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 09:18 Uncle T. via <utplo=[email protected]> wrote:

I'm a new member who is among the many to take advantage of the pandemic to begin building my long-imagined hobby shop. I've learned a lot already from this group, but I did not think I would have the opportunity to contribute anything useful for a while ¨C that is until this unexpected discussion on fall detection using smart devices. As it turns out, my day job is at Stanford University where my research focus is on medical applications of wearables.

?

Another nice feature of many smartwatches is the ability to make a call using voice commands if you happen to find yourself trapped under a stack of lumber and you cannot get to your phone. Still, this does nothing if you are unconscious or confused from the fall. In that situation, Scott is correct about the limitations of smartphone apps for fall detection. You cannot rely on them since apps running in the background can be frozen without notifying you. You can try to get around this by closing the app and reopening it each time you enter the shop, but this introduces too much human error and it may still be frozen after several hours in the shop. The Apple Watch fall detection is different. It runs continuously in the background and it does not freeze or shut down, unless you disable the feature or drain the battery. Unfortunately, no other current smart watch can reliably provide this same feature. The only other reliable fall alert devices available at this time are single function dongles or wristbands geared toward the elderly with mobility limitations and they require a monthly service fee.?

?

Fall detection and other medical uses of smartwatches and other wearables are expanding rapidly. All of the manufacturers are trying to maintain/expand market edge so what I say today could change tomorrow. I expect Google and others to provide reliable fall detection in a smartwatch anytime within the next 2-3 years.?

?

On a related topic, I am considering connecting a Bluetooth switch to my dust collection system to start/stop from my smartwatch. If that works out, I¡¯ll have a 2nd?opportunity to post something useful to this forum. Until then, I¡¯ll continue lurking in the shadows.?

?

Matt


 

Thanks Matt. Great information. I look forward to the results of your Bluetooth switch experiments. I currently use a Wii Fi switch but am always searching for where I put it down last.

Not an apple user do I guess I will just have to try and stay upright until Android comes up with an effective fall detect app.

Thanks again
Uncle Clint

On Mon, 25 Jan 2021, 3:18 am Uncle T. via , <utplo=[email protected]> wrote:

I'm a new member who is among the many to take advantage of the pandemic to begin building my long-imagined hobby shop. I've learned a lot already from this group, but I did not think I would have the opportunity to contribute anything useful for a while ¨C that is until this unexpected discussion on fall detection using smart devices. As it turns out, my day job is at Stanford University where my research focus is on medical applications of wearables.

?

Another nice feature of many smartwatches is the ability to make a call using voice commands if you happen to find yourself trapped under a stack of lumber and you cannot get to your phone. Still, this does nothing if you are unconscious or confused from the fall. In that situation, Scott is correct about the limitations of smartphone apps for fall detection. You cannot rely on them since apps running in the background can be frozen without notifying you. You can try to get around this by closing the app and reopening it each time you enter the shop, but this introduces too much human error and it may still be frozen after several hours in the shop. The Apple Watch fall detection is different. It runs continuously in the background and it does not freeze or shut down, unless you disable the feature or drain the battery. Unfortunately, no other current smart watch can reliably provide this same feature. The only other reliable fall alert devices available at this time are single function dongles or wristbands geared toward the elderly with mobility limitations and they require a monthly service fee.?

?

Fall detection and other medical uses of smartwatches and other wearables are expanding rapidly. All of the manufacturers are trying to maintain/expand market edge so what I say today could change tomorrow. I expect Google and others to provide reliable fall detection in a smartwatch anytime within the next 2-3 years.?

?

On a related topic, I am considering connecting a Bluetooth switch to my dust collection system to start/stop from my smartwatch. If that works out, I¡¯ll have a 2nd?opportunity to post something useful to this forum. Until then, I¡¯ll continue lurking in the shadows.?

?

Matt


 

It's part of an expanded set of mobility features on the Apple Watch. I could nerd out on this topic for pages but will spare you that.
Fall detection is available on series 4 Apple Watch and later. Instructions for use here:

Matt


 

Thanks Matt.

Bill B¨¦langer?

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 15:27 Uncle T. via <utplo=[email protected]> wrote:
It's part of an expanded set of mobility features on the Apple Watch. I could nerd out on this topic for pages but will spare you that.
Fall detection is available on series 4 Apple Watch and later. Instructions for use here:

Matt


 

Thanks for the original post and I'm glad your friend is on the mend.

I've had some close calls messing with vertical runs of snap lock dust pipe.? By design one is reaching out because of the ladder clearance.? My drops are mostly 8 inches,? so they can get rather heavy.?
I'm almost always solo...

Again,? thanks for the note of caution.?

Marlowe McGraw?

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 9:33 AM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
I feel bad for the people with positional vertigo.? Always there waiting , a wrong move and you are non functional.? Dave


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Subject: Re: [FOG] A note of caution
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On 1/22/21 7:38 PM, David Kumm wrote:
> on and off for a year.? In hospital twice and multiple attacks.


OUCH? That's?? way more than I had