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So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let’s chat about Fusion 360. ?Here’s a couple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:
- Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
- Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change? ?How do I get them not to do so?
- What’s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
- How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?
Mike
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The appeal of Fusion is CAD and CAM in the same package. It seems most of you are looking for a CAD system mainly…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Many other parametric CAD systems out there the do a much better job than Fusion. I’ve been using Alibre for about 12 years now. Prior to that I used Onshape when it was in the Beta stages for a year or two. Either one are quite a step up in the CAD situation.
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So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let’s chat about Fusion 360. ?Here’s a cou ple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:
- Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
- Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change? ?How do I get them not to do so?
- What’s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
- How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?
Mike
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…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Totally disagree. ?I think your impressions here are out of date. ?Have a look at the drawings I produced at this link: ?
Now, I’m not saying there aren’t other non-mainstream CAD packages that might do a better job, I haven’t tried them all. ?But to call Fusion 360 drawing capabilities “SHIT” is an uninformed and dated view IMO.
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I'll have to agree with David here. I've used most all of the solid modeling software, (Solidworks, Solid Edge, Inventor, Onshape, Ansys) and find Fusion is fantastic, and it can't be beat for the price. It does take a little getting used to, but once you understand the flow it works amazingly well.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:33 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: The appeal of Fusion is CAD and CAM in the same package. It seems most of you are looking for a CAD system mainly…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Many other parametric CAD systems out there the do a much better job than Fusion. I’ve been using Alibre for about 12 years now. Prior to that I used Onshape when it was in the Beta stages for a year or two. Either one are quite a step up in the CAD situation.
So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let’s chat about Fusion 360.? Here’s a cou ple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:
- Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
- Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change?? How do I get them not to do so?
- What’s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
- How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?
Mike
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David,
Those are beautiful drawings and I especially love the 3D rendering.
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…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Totally disagree. ?I think your impressions here are out of date. ?Have a look at the drawings I produced at this link: ?
Now, I’m not saying there aren’t other non-mainstream CAD packages that might do a better job, I haven’t tried them all. ?But to call Fusion 360 drawing capabilities “SHIT” is an uninformed and dated view IMO.
David Best
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I’d be happy to do a series of videos on using F360 to design something to be fabricated in the wood shop. ?I’ve been thinking about doing this for a while. ?I haven’t found very many YouTube videos on F360 that are geared toward woodworkers - there are some, but they aren’t very good training tools IMO, largely because they are based on the original User Interface from pre-2019. ?When you try to duplicate what’s being shown in the video, you quickly get lost because your user interface is different.
As James rightly points out, getting to an end result takes a lot more time if you are new to the product or restrict yourself to the basic facilities offered by Fusion. ?To be truly efficient requires a broader knowledge of ?all the facilities within the Fusion Design space, which of course requires more than a rudimentary knowledge of how to brute-force a design with the attendent long time lines, etc. ?Once you have the basics down, there are lots of video resources under the guise of “Tips and Tricks” that explore the more advanced functions that are true time savers, which is largely how I advanced in my own knowledge. ?But of course most of those videos are geared around a product to be CNC machined, or injection moulded, so it takes patience and some time doing trial and error tests to figure out how they might apply to woodworking.
I ?just finished designing and building a custom cabinet for my Multirouter (photo below), and if some of you think it would be helpful if I made a video of the design process for the cabinet in Fusion 360, I would consider doing so. ?More details on that Multirouter project are here if anyone is interested, including F360 drawings for both the DRO enhancements and the cabinet. ? The project is still being enhanced with air cylinders and dust extraction, so more to come on that.
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The animation and drawing sections of Fusion 360 all extract from the 3D models, and if I did some videos here I would take an existing model and go through the steps of animating it to produce and exploded view, and then go into the drawing section and show how to achieve all the relevent views, parts lists, dimensions, etc. ?Like I said 2 years ago, this is a long process to get your head around all the capabilities here, and you have to use it a few times per year (IMO) to stay proficient - this isn’t an application you can come back to after 3 years in a closet and expect to be proficient. ??
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So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let’s chat about Fusion 360. ?Here’s a couple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:
- Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
- Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change? ?How do I get them not to do so?
- What’s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
- How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?
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Hi David, I have a multi router and have been contemplating building something. ?I would love to see your rendition and planning process.
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On Jun 27, 2022, at 3:18 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? I’d be happy to do a series of videos on using F360 to design something to be fabricated in the wood shop. ?I’ve been thinking about doing this for a while. ?I haven’t found very many YouTube videos on F360 that are geared toward woodworkers - there are some, but they aren’t very good training tools IMO, largely because they are based on the original User Interface from pre-2019. ?When you try to duplicate what’s being shown in the video, you quickly get lost because your user interface is different.
As James rightly points out, getting to an end result takes a lot more time if you are new to the product or restrict yourself to the basic facilities offered by Fusion. ?To be truly efficient requires a broader knowledge of ?all the facilities within the Fusion Design space, which of course requires more than a rudimentary knowledge of how to brute-force a design with the attendent long time lines, etc. ?Once you have the basics down, there are lots of video resources under the guise of “Tips and Tricks” that explore the more advanced functions that are true time savers, which is largely how I advanced in my own knowledge. ?But of course most of those videos are geared around a product to be CNC machined, or injection moulded, so it takes patience and some time doing trial and error tests to figure out how they might apply to woodworking.
I ?just finished designing and building a custom cabinet for my Multirouter (photo below), and if some of you think it would be helpful if I made a video of the design process for the cabinet in Fusion 360, I would consider doing so. ?More details on that Multirouter project are here if anyone is interested, including F360 drawings for both the DRO enhancements and the cabinet. ? The project is still being enhanced with air cylinders and dust extraction, so more to come on that.
??? ?
The animation and drawing sections of Fusion 360 all extract from the 3D models, and if I did some videos here I would take an existing model and go through the steps of animating it to produce and exploded view, and then go into the drawing section and show how to achieve all the relevent views, parts lists, dimensions, etc. ?Like I said 2 years ago, this is a long process to get your head around all the capabilities here, and you have to use it a few times per year (IMO) to stay proficient - this isn’t an application you can come back to after 3 years in a closet and expect to be proficient. ??
So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let’s chat about Fusion 360. ?Here’s a couple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:
- Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
- Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change? ?How do I get them not to do so?
- What’s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
- How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?
Mike
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Impressive set of drawings to work from and the results speak for themselves. ?I have found Fusion 360 incredibly to be incredibly useful and as my experience grows much easier to use. ?My next hurdle is to be able to produce a detailed set of drawings such as David produced to save trips back to the computer to reference the model itself.
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Well, I’ll agree to disagree. Those drawings are all prismatic parts, rectangular blocks and imported vises and mill tables. It looks good but not especially challenging drawing items. I will admit that the last time I used Fusion was at least 3-4 years ago, although I know my son uses it daily for his machining, although again, more for the integrated CAD than the spiffy drawing capabilities. So, I’m sure it has improved, especially when it went from free to $500 a year or so.
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…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Totally disagree. ?I think your impressions here are out of date. ?Have a look at the drawings I produced at this link: ?
Now, I’m not saying there aren’t other non-mainstream CAD packages that might do a better job, I haven’t tried them all. ?But to call Fusion 360 drawing capabilities “SHIT” is an uninformed and dated view IMO.
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Oh Brian! Why are you so determined to discount Fusion? Or is it David you’re challenging?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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Well, I’ll agree to disagree. Those drawings are all prismatic parts, rectangular blocks and imported vises and mill tables. It looks good but not especially challenging drawing items.
I will admit that the last time I used Fusion was at least 3-4 years ago, although I know my son uses it daily for his machining, although again, more for the integrated CAD than the spiffy drawing capabilities. So, I’m sure it has improved, especially when
it went from free to $500 a year or so.
To each his own….
…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Totally disagree. ?I think your impressions here are out of date. ?Have a look at the drawings I produced at this link: ?
Now, I’m not saying there aren’t other non-mainstream CAD packages that might do a better job, I haven’t tried them all. ?But to call Fusion 360 drawing capabilities “SHIT” is an uninformed and dated view IMO.
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David, nice looking cabinet for the multirouter, will the Pantorouter fit?
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On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:18 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? I’d be happy to do a series of videos on using F360 to design something to be fabricated in the wood shop. ?I’ve been thinking about doing this for a while. ?I haven’t found very many YouTube videos on F360 that are geared toward woodworkers - there are some, but they aren’t very good training tools IMO, largely because they are based on the original User Interface from pre-2019. ?When you try to duplicate what’s being shown in the video, you quickly get lost because your user interface is different.
As James rightly points out, getting to an end result takes a lot more time if you are new to the product or restrict yourself to the basic facilities offered by Fusion. ?To be truly efficient requires a broader knowledge of ?all the facilities within the Fusion Design space, which of course requires more than a rudimentary knowledge of how to brute-force a design with the attendent long time lines, etc. ?Once you have the basics down, there are lots of video resources under the guise of “Tips and Tricks” that explore the more advanced functions that are true time savers, which is largely how I advanced in my own knowledge. ?But of course most of those videos are geared around a product to be CNC machined, or injection moulded, so it takes patience and some time doing trial and error tests to figure out how they might apply to woodworking.
I ?just finished designing and building a custom cabinet for my Multirouter (photo below), and if some of you think it would be helpful if I made a video of the design process for the cabinet in Fusion 360, I would consider doing so. ?More details on that Multirouter project are here if anyone is interested, including F360 drawings for both the DRO enhancements and the cabinet. ? The project is still being enhanced with air cylinders and dust extraction, so more to come on that.
??? ?
The animation and drawing sections of Fusion 360 all extract from the 3D models, and if I did some videos here I would take an existing model and go through the steps of animating it to produce and exploded view, and then go into the drawing section and show how to achieve all the relevent views, parts lists, dimensions, etc. ?Like I said 2 years ago, this is a long process to get your head around all the capabilities here, and you have to use it a few times per year (IMO) to stay proficient - this isn’t an application you can come back to after 3 years in a closet and expect to be proficient. ??
So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let’s chat about Fusion 360. ?Here’s a couple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:
- Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
- Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change? ?How do I get them not to do so?
- What’s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
- How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?
Mike
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Mark, ? You're killing me. Dave Davies
David, nice looking cabinet for the multirouter, will the Pantorouter fit? ? I’d be happy to do a series of videos on using F360 to design something to be fabricated in the wood shop.? I’ve been thinking about doing this for a while.? I haven’t found very many YouTube videos on F360 that are geared toward woodworkers - there are some, but they aren’t very good training tools IMO, largely because they are based on the original User Interface from pre-2019.? When you try to duplicate what’s being shown in the video, you quickly get lost because your user interface is different.
As James rightly points out, getting to an end result takes a lot more time if you are new to the product or restrict yourself to the basic facilities offered by Fusion.? To be truly efficient requires a broader knowledge of ?all the facilities within the Fusion Design space, which of course requires more than a rudimentary knowledge of how to brute-force a design with the attendent long time lines, etc.? Once you have the basics down, there are lots of video resources under the guise of “Tips and Tricks” that explore the more advanced functions that are true time savers, which is largely how I advanced in my own knowledge.? But of course most of those videos are geared around a product to be CNC machined, or injection moulded, so it takes patience and some time doing trial and error tests to figure out how they might apply to woodworking.
I ?just finished designing and building a custom cabinet for my Multirouter (photo below), and if some of you think it would be helpful if I made a video of the design process for the cabinet in Fusion 360, I would consider doing so.? More details on that Multirouter project are here if anyone is interested, including F360 drawings for both the DRO enhancements and the cabinet. ? The project is still being enhanced with air cylinders and dust extraction, so more to come on that.
??? ?
The animation and drawing sections of Fusion 360 all extract from the 3D models, and if I did some videos here I would take an existing model and go through the steps of animating it to produce and exploded view, and then go into the drawing section and show how to achieve all the relevent views, parts lists, dimensions, etc.? Like I said 2 years ago, this is a long process to get your head around all the capabilities here, and you have to use it a few times per year (IMO) to stay proficient - this isn’t an application you can come back to after 3 years in a closet and expect to be proficient. ??
So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let’s chat about Fusion 360.? Here’s a couple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:
- Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
- Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change?? How do I get them not to do so?
- What’s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
- How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?
Mike
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Mark, perhaps you should ask when the 3 axis DRO for the pantarouter is coming…
David, what’s involved with adding the other 2 axis DRO for my multirouter?
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On Jun 27, 2022, at 2:33 PM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
The appeal of Fusion is CAD and CAM in the same package. It seems most of you are looking for a CAD system mainly…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Many other parametric CAD systems out there the do a much better job than Fusion. I’ve been using Alibre for about 12 years now. Prior to that I used Onshape when it was in the Beta stages for a year or two. Either one are quite a step up in the CAD situation.
So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let’s chat about Fusion 360. ?Here’s a cou ple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:
- Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
- Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change? ?How do I get them not to do so?
- What’s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
- How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?
Mike
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Wow - talk about throwing shade !! ? Such comments are truly demotivating when I think about potentially doing some videos to help others. ??
Fusion is still free for hobby users. ?It does have some restrictions dealing mostly multiple people working on the same design, but the full drawing capability is included in the free version. ?The mill tables and vises were my own creation, not imported. ?As for the prismatic views, those are all built in and one click-drag away from another other view of the same model. ?If you need other views, creating them is very straight forward once you know the tools. ?The attached view of Mike’s cart was produced in under 5 minutes including the creation of the call-out bubbles and part lists. ?
Brian, you and I differ on paying for good software and quality support. ? I subscribe to the full Fusion 360 offering and purchased a 3 year license for $900 when it went on sale 14 months ago. ?Now that I have used the product extensively, I don’t feel that I need to have the full version for my application and may revert to the free version when my subscription expires. ?If nothing else, that $900 got me a direct pipe into the Autodesk support world when I had issues, found unexpected behavior that might be a bug or just lack of understanding on my part. ?But there’s a philosophical difference here that I find personally troubling. ?Granted, $900 for 3 years is a lot of change, and not everyone can afford that. ?I probably won’t be willing to pay that next time. ?But I believe in paying for things of value and supporting the creator community - whether that’s music, software, documentation, videos tutorials, or Star Wars salt & pepper shakers on Etsy. ?The people who create this stuff deserve to be financially rewarded, just like a server at a restaurant offering good service. ?
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On Jun 27, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
Well, I’ll agree to disagree. Those drawings are all prismatic parts, rectangular blocks and imported vises and mill tables. It looks good but not especially challenging drawing items. I will admit that the last time I used Fusion was at least 3-4 years ago, although I know my son uses it daily for his machining, although again, more for the integrated CAD than the spiffy drawing capabilities. So, I’m sure it has improved, especially when it went from free to $500 a year or so.
To each his own….
…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Totally disagree. ?I think your impressions here are out of date. ?Have a look at the drawings I produced at this link: ?
Now, I’m not saying there aren’t other non-mainstream CAD packages that might do a better job, I haven’t tried them all. ?But to call Fusion 360 drawing capabilities “SHIT” is an uninformed and dated view IMO.
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For those seeking to get educated in F360, I suggest going directly to the oem resources.....there are links in the onboarding emails,but also? a hierarchy of tutorial topics from developers of the product in bite sized packages and follow-along tutorials.
I'm not certain where it moved to in the newest updates, but I suspect it's easy to find under "help" once logged in. I remember that it is all locked behind your user login/password, you wont ever find it on a Google search.
Aside from spending a solid year developing expertise or the same following inefficient youtube ambassadors, I have found it the highest quality route. But that was before Best Services F360 Academy went public.
-Brett
Mark, ? You're killing me. Dave Davies
David, nice looking cabinet for the multirouter, will the Pantorouter fit? ? I’d be happy to do a series of videos on using F360 to design something to be fabricated in the wood shop.? I’ve been thinking about doing this for a while.? I haven’t found very many YouTube videos on F360 that are geared toward woodworkers - there are some, but they aren’t very good training tools IMO, largely because they are based on the original User Interface from pre-2019.? When you try to duplicate what’s being shown in the video, you quickly get lost because your user interface is different.
As James rightly points out, getting to an end result takes a lot more time if you are new to the product or restrict yourself to the basic facilities offered by Fusion.? To be truly efficient requires a broader knowledge of ?all the facilities within the Fusion Design space, which of course requires more than a rudimentary knowledge of how to brute-force a design with the attendent long time lines, etc.? Once you have the basics down, there are lots of video resources under the guise of “Tips and Tricks” that explore the more advanced functions that are true time savers, which is largely how I advanced in my own knowledge.? But of course most of those videos are geared around a product to be CNC machined, or injection moulded, so it takes patience and some time doing trial and error tests to figure out how they might apply to woodworking.
I ?just finished designing and building a custom cabinet for my Multirouter (photo below), and if some of you think it would be helpful if I made a video of the design process for the cabinet in Fusion 360, I would consider doing so.? More details on that Multirouter project are here if anyone is interested, including F360 drawings for both the DRO enhancements and the cabinet. ? The project is still being enhanced with air cylinders and dust extraction, so more to come on that.
??? ?
The animation and drawing sections of Fusion 360 all extract from the 3D models, and if I did some videos here I would take an existing model and go through the steps of animating it to produce and exploded view, and then go into the drawing section and show how to achieve all the relevent views, parts lists, dimensions, etc.? Like I said 2 years ago, this is a long process to get your head around all the capabilities here, and you have to use it a few times per year (IMO) to stay proficient - this isn’t an application you can come back to after 3 years in a closet and expect to be proficient. ??
So, splitting some of the discussion apart, let’s chat about Fusion 360.? Here’s a couple of items hopefully David Best will answer, or someone with a similar level of proficiency:
- Are there any good recommendations for a course in Fusion that will transform me into a Fusion master?
- Why when I try to go from my model through annimations to drawings do the dimensions change?? How do I get them not to do so?
- What’s the best way to produce drawings from a model?
- How do we convince David to produce a series of videos on Fusion?
Mike
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David, looked through the whole Multirouter project album, and it truly impressive. ?
Thanks for sharing!
Mike
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Wow - talk about throwing shade !! ? Such comments are truly demotivating when I think about potentially doing some videos to help others. ??
Fusion is still free for hobby users. ?It does have some restrictions dealing mostly multiple people working on the same design, but the full drawing capability is included in the free version. ?The mill tables and vises were my own creation, not imported. ?As for the prismatic views, those are all built in and one click-drag away from another other view of the same model. ?If you need other views, creating them is very straight forward once you know the tools. ?The attached view of Mike’s cart was produced in under 5 minutes including the creation of the call-out bubbles and part lists. ?
Brian, you and I differ on paying for good software and quality support. ? I subscribe to the full Fusion 360 offering and purchased a 3 year license for $900 when it went on sale 14 months ago. ?Now that I have used the product extensively, I don’t feel that I need to have the full version for my application and may revert to the free version when my subscription expires. ?If nothing else, that $900 got me a direct pipe into the Autodesk support world when I had issues, found unexpected behavior that might be a bug or just lack of understanding on my part. ?But there’s a philosophical difference here that I find personally troubling. ?Granted, $900 for 3 years is a lot of change, and not everyone can afford that. ?I probably won’t be willing to pay that next time. ?But I believe in paying for things of value and supporting the creator community - whether that’s music, software, documentation, videos tutorials, or Star Wars salt & pepper shakers on Etsy. ?The people who create this stuff deserve to be financially rewarded, just like a server at a restaurant offering good service. ?
On Jun 27, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
Well, I’ll agree to disagree. Those drawings are all prismatic parts, rectangular blocks and imported vises and mill tables. It looks good but not especially challenging drawing items. I will admit that the last time I used Fusion was at least 3-4 years ago, although I know my son uses it daily for his machining, although again, more for the integrated CAD than the spiffy drawing capabilities. So, I’m sure it has improved, especially when it went from free to $500 a year or so.
To each his own….
…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Totally disagree. ?I think your impressions here are out of date. ?Have a look at the drawings I produced at this link: ?
Now, I’m not saying there aren’t other non-mainstream CAD packages that might do a better job, I haven’t tried them all. ?But to call Fusion 360 drawing capabilities “SHIT” is an uninformed and dated view IMO.
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Looking at the original questions:?
- What are you trying to master in Fusion? There's a lot to unpack. Are you trying to get a CAD to CAM workflow going or just drawing / modeling??
- You'll have to perhaps capture this dimension changing issue via video so we can try to assist. The Fusion 360 community support site is also pretty good and it could be something with your model or the way animations is configured for your model.
- The Drawing from Design feature is pretty intuitive to use, assuming you're wanting 2D work prints.?
- I think he's likely busy making stuff but I'd watch a series on F360 from David!?
On the other topic: it's easy to label package A as this and that but ultimately, I think it's more constructive to look at these software systems as a gradient of sorts, to align with a particular user's needs, skill level, and budget -- which are most definitely on a gradient.? F360 was not easy to learn for me, coming from SketchUp and AutoCAD proper but for the price -- free -- it's worth more to me than any offering right now. Yes, Solidworks can do it better. Yes MasterCam can run circles around F360 Manufacture, but I'm not about to dedicate precious time and money to get on those platforms (and to learn them) given my needs.? Coincidentally, Solidworks is trying to go the F360 route with their latest hobbyist offering 3dexperience, so F360 is not shit - they're one of the best all around packages for makers of the iPhone/iPad generation -- and they are being mimicked and brought to the cloud by DSS, a leader in the space.?
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I sometimes like to translate things from dollars to lattes.? ?Fusion360 subscription is about 1/3 of a latte per day (M-F, 50 weeks/year).?
Fwiw, my first CAD purchase was in 1991, around $2,000,000 (for a very small team of engineers)? ?Prices have come down a lot!
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Not challenging David, I don’t care what he uses.?
I don’t like Fusion because historically it’s buggy as hell and Autodesk put it out there and let the users develop the software for them, maybe not a bad idea, but it was a long road to anything resembling reliable. Their marketing model was give it out for free, get all these folks hooked into it, it is cloud based, and none of your models are readable by other software, then turned the screws to all the users when it went from free to pay, and is headed towards pay per use, at least in the more advance CAM portions.
I purchased my software, but it has a perpetual license, you buy it, you own it. A lot of advantages to this, you are not tied to an internet connection, if you don’t pay, you still own all of your intellectual property and drawings, nobody is holding your stuff hostage for that monthly payment. I also like the ability to not upgrade software if I don’t want to, more times than not, the latest, greatest revision might address some obscure option that you never need, and crash a whole bunch of stuff you use on a daily basis.
This CAD debate is like Ford/Chevy amongst car guys, there isn’t a right or wrong, mostly just what you are used to and prefer.
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Oh Brian! Why are you so determined to discount Fusion? Or is it David you’re challenging?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Well, I’ll agree to disagree. Those drawings are all prismatic parts, rectangular blocks and imported vises and mill tables. It looks good but not especially challenging drawing items.
I will admit that the last time I used Fusion was at least 3-4 years ago, although I know my son uses it daily for his machining, although again, more for the integrated CAD than the spiffy drawing capabilities. So, I’m sure it has improved, especially when
it went from free to $500 a year or so.
To each his own….
…. Fusion is shit for the drawing (CAD) side of things.
Totally disagree. ?I think your impressions here are out of date. ?Have a look at the drawings I produced at this link: ?
Now, I’m not saying there aren’t other non-mainstream CAD packages that might do a better job, I haven’t tried them all. ?But to call Fusion 360 drawing capabilities “SHIT” is an uninformed and dated view IMO.
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Don’t let my comments deter you, have fun!?
The drawing side of Fusion may be free for the hobby user, but they crippled the CAM side completely. Unless it has changed (which could be), you couldn’t do a rapid move or a tool change with the hobby version. A lot of the “Hobby” users were flippin’ mad when that all came about, a year or so back. Good on you if you did your own vise models, but that’s a two second download from Kurt, you really didn’t need to spend that time doing it.
As for paying for software, I run Alibre Professional, which is about a $1000 package, on sale at times so you can get it cheaper. So your comments about ?paying don’t apply, so don’t feel troubled. I would just personally prefer to own my software, not rent it. I also don’t have to worry about any of my designs being stolen out of the cloud, not that anything I do is worth anything to anybody else, but for some of my machine work and customers, it’s against the rules to store designs in cloud based software. That is why a lot of the big names are still out there, Solidworks, MasterCam, Catia and a whole host of others, still selling software that is not cloud based, it’s just a whole lot more money than I need to spend on my design software.
As Sang Lou mentions, Solidworks has developed their own cloud based offering to go after the hobby level users, as they have found it’s a large market, but don’t ever expect them to do away with their top line offering either.
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Wow - talk about throwing shade !! ? Such comments are truly demotivating when I think about potentially doing some videos to help others. ??
Fusion is still free for hobby users. ?It does have some restrictions dealing mostly multiple people working on the same design, but the full drawing capability is included in the free version. ?The mill tables and vises were my own creation, not imported. ?As for the prismatic views, those are all built in and one click-drag away from another other view of the same model. ?If you need other views, creating them is very straight forward once you know the tools. ?The attached view of Mike’s cart was produced in under 5 minutes including the creation of the call-out bubbles and part lists. ?
Brian, you and I differ on paying for good software and quality support. ? I subscribe to the full Fusion 360 offering and purchased a 3 year license for $900 when it went on sale 14 months ago. ?Now that I have used the product extensively, I don’t feel that I need to have the full version for my application and may revert to the free version when my subscription expires. ?If nothing else, that $900 got me a direct pipe into the Autodesk support world when I had issues, found unexpected behavior that might be a bug or just lack of understanding on my part. ?But there’s a philosophical difference here that I find personally troubling. ?Granted, $900 for 3 years is a lot of change, and not everyone can afford that. ?I probably won’t be willing to pay that next time. ?But I believe in paying for things of value and supporting the creator community - whether that’s music, software, documentation, videos tutorials, or Star Wars salt & pepper shakers on Etsy. ?The people who create this stuff deserve to be financially rewarded, just like a server at a restaurant offering good service. ?
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