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Edgebanders
I'm starting to put together a plan for edgebanders. I am a novice at any edgebander brand, model, method. At this point it's a strategic step that may happen sooner or later, but I want to start considering it now since there seems a lot to?consider. Like wide belt sanders, there seems to be a lot of danger in buying bad apples in ex factory auctions and otherwise secondhand I'd prefer to avoid. Does anyone have any good advice, resources, opinions, experience to get this conversation going? Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@... |
Hi Brett!?
As an initial response, I'll volunteer that I am currently performing precious little edge banding, so I'm an example of a (very!) low volume shop. For what little edge banding I do apply, I am using the Festool Conturo handheld edge bander. Given my space constraints and low volume needs, it's been nice to have around.? Pros: -- Small footprint when not in use. The tool occupies a Systainer 5, the accessories another Systainer 5, plus a trimming router, plus whatever inventory you want to maintain of glue and banding -- I've rarely used it, but the MFT/3 table for the Conturo is handy for shelving and other smaller parts (I subscribe to the "bring the small thing to the big thing" relationship between the work and tools). When not in use, the table folds up and can be stored out of the way -- Setup/warmup time is reasonable, I think around ten minutes?? -- Swapping between glue colors is pretty straightforward. The purging process burns through a puck or two, but I haven't found it to be a big deal -- You're locked into using the Festool glue, but you can use just about any non-glued edge banding you want. I have used hardwood veneer and 2mm PVC without issue.? Cons: -- This is in no way a production machine. Apparently some production shops keep a Conturo around for inside corner work, but otherwise yeah this is a small scale machine.? -- Cost. At $3k for just the machine, plus accessories, it's not inexpensive, though I suppose it's a drop in the bucket compared to free-standing machines.? -- Skill: Since this is primarily a hand-held machine, there's some amount of finesse/attention necessary to dial the settings in properly and actually applying the banding. If employees will be using the machine, it may not be a great fit.? -- You'll need to follow along after applying the banding with a router to trim the excess. Again, this can take some skill.. Anyways, I suspect you are primarily looking for input on free-standing equipment, but hopefully if nothing else the Conturo can establish a benchmark in terms of the small end of the spectrum. Good luck on your hunt! -- Tom Gensmer Heritage Home Renewals, LLC Minneapolis, MN |
Probably not what you¡¯re looking for but (given my scale, one man shop and don¡¯t do a lot of edgebanding) I went with a Festool Conturo (the trim router and the vacuum clamps).? Does a great job for the projects that need it.? Makes for an efficient workflow without the space commitment. Mike On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 2:08 PM Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFor production work, I outsource edgebanding to a local high volume shop that produces Ikea-like closet solutions. Production edgebanding machines are very maintenance intensive, especially if run intermittently. ??Depending on your volume, you might be a lot better off outsourcing big projects, and using a handheld bander like the Festool or the ForKa (sold by Felder and others). ?For in-house work (typically thicker hardwood banding), I devised a clamping table system that works great, but is certainly low volume. ?I have done a lot of edgebanding with that simple clamping table in conjunction with a lipping planer to trim flush after glue-up. ?Details on that are here: ??David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Brett, Interesting you post this, I am down to buying my last machines. Edgebander and Wide belt. Like you I donut want to buy used as There are too many unknowns. I have looked at a lot of wide belts at the AWFS and here the same things "ours are the best" and I keep looking because I don't know enough about them to make an educated decision. As with the Edge Bander my case is somewhat the same. I had a? Felder 330 on my order but pulled it off as my concern is more of how much time do I need to spend maintaining this if it only gets used every few weeks as would be in my case. I have looked at all, Handheld, small mini countertop models and the likes of the 330. I'm not even sure where to go except I think the hand held is out do to my shaky hands. I would like to find something that is reasonably priced and that end trims and flush trims, which I believe takes out all the bench tops so I may be back to something of the 330. I need to really dig into how much time spent on glue pots and maintenance.? For now I continue doing it the old fashioned way with the iron and hand trimmers but it is getting old. I look forward to following this conversation as it will also help me to make a decision on which way to go. Glen Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc. Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247 ????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507 On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 2:08 PM Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
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Hey Brett,
Do you have a good idea of how you will be using a bander? I've always glued and clamped hardwood strips, but last year I had a large frameless kitchen. I got a used hot air machine from a buddy who moved up to a glue pot machine so he could run 3mm pvc. All my boxes are Columbia veneer core prefinished maple ply. It works quite well. I set the top and bottom trimming to about .005 over, and just clean it up with a plane blade. It saved me a ton of time. I've? tried peeling a piece off, and it breaks. I was pretty impressed. Jason Holtz J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 |
Thanks for the responses, gentleman, to add: Tom and Mike - I have a Festool Conturo and bought the table a year later which made small parts 100% more enjoyable to edgeband. After about 5 years now, the table has developed noticeable sag and misalignment must be corrected with an extra leg under the platform - it's one of the things I can't believe Festool missed in the engineering?they are usually so good about. And I've also heard that they won't honor the problem with a replacement top unless its within warranty period. BUT - it's a great unit, flexible use parameters, and works great esp alongside the MFK700 router, just limited in efficient productivity once volume increases. I don't ever see getting rid of it even with an upgrade?to a larger unit. David - I appreciate your remarks and use a similar technique with clamping thicker banding. I've become much more interested lately in setting up some of the centering profiles that self-align the banding boards from the slippery glue joint, but often I cheat with blue tape or a pinner to hold position. I had a cabinet shop down the street that was a great outsource, but like many of my outsourcing partners they've become to busy to help or they refuse because my shop has grown into their competition. David and Glen - I also don't want to buy more problems, but I thought "problems" was limited to outdated designs and used ragged out machines - not just service on new ones. Yikes. This changes my perception of value of a new machine for the worse. David, Glen, and Jason - I guess I'm in a awkward place or growing into larger projects but not consistent volume. Another machine type for which there isn't much middle ground I suppose. On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 6:32 PM Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
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Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@... |
We've used a variety of edgebanders over the user including the hot air preglued strip ones which were very fussy. We switched to a hot melt one some years back . We don't find it particularly troublesome as long as the glue delivery area is kept clean . We get an annual service on it. Usage would be an hour or two per day. The one we have has top and bottom trim and front and end trimmers. If buying again, and money was easy,? pre-milling,? buffing and polishing and corner rounding? would be on the wish list. We buff and polish by hand and have a corner rounding machine but they are just? extra steps to be taken
We also use a Festool Contura for curved work and on site maintenance when required. The tape basket is essential.? Festool's version of tape cutter if using thicker than 1mm material is the best one I've come across. The machine? is a joy to use compared to the Forka type which we also once had. It was the original p.i.t.a. -- Paul Mc Cann |
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