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I "won" today at auction an edge sander that I've been looking for at auction for a couple of years.? Apparently the Euro veneer sanders are scarce in the US.? This was has the feed belt built in with a top mounted pressure bar.? This machine was built for 230V/460V but it's wired for 460V so I will need to get that sorted.? And I will need to again order more Nordfab pipe.? Now the fingers crossed wait to make sure it arrives safely. 
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I saw that...how did you work shipping? Dave
I "won" today at auction an edge sander that I've been looking for at auction for a couple of years.? Apparently the Euro veneer sanders are scarce in the US.? This was has the feed belt built in with a top mounted pressure bar.? This machine was built for 230V/460V but it's wired for 460V so I will need to get that sorted.? And I will need to again order more Nordfab pipe.? Now the fingers crossed wait to make sure it arrives safely.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I used a broker for a Felder shaper from Denver and I will use them for this.? The shaper was put on a pallet and wrapped in saran wrap by the seller.?
Shipping with $10K of insurance and lift gate service on both ends, and an extra fee for a pickup from a storage rental center where there couldn’t get a truck in was only $650 which I thought was pretty good.? I’m tempted to drive and get this but it would
be way more expensive.? No quote yet for shipping this one.
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I saw that...how did you work shipping?
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I "won" today at auction an edge sander that I've been looking for at auction for a couple of years.? Apparently the Euro veneer sanders are scarce in the US.? This was has the feed belt built in with a top mounted pressure bar.? This machine
was built for 230V/460V but it's wired for 460V so I will need to get that sorted.? And I will need to again order more Nordfab pipe.? Now the fingers crossed wait to make sure it arrives safely.
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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If it is a dual voltage machine 230/460, then all you should have to do is change the wiring connections and possibly some “heaters” if it uses them in the contactors (picture below). This is/was pretty common in the machine shop. Nice looking machine!
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I "won" today at auction an edge sander that I've been looking for at auction for a couple of years.? Apparently the Euro veneer sanders are scarce in the US.? This was has the feed belt built in with a top mounted pressure bar.? This machine was built for 230V/460V but it's wired for 460V so I will need to get that sorted.? And I will need to again order more Nordfab pipe.? Now the fingers crossed wait to make sure it arrives safely.
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I almost bid against you Joe! Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I probably overpaid but this is the first I’ve seen come up in 2-3 years
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On Behalf Of Jason Holtz
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:01 PM
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I almost bid against you Joe!
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Really sweet machine Joe.? Even if it turns out to need 460v, that machine is well worth the cost of a transformer.? I've got to research the Langzauner.? Dave
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I "won" today at auction an edge sander that I've been looking for at auction for a couple of years.? Apparently the Euro veneer sanders are scarce in the US.? This was has the feed belt built in with a top mounted pressure bar.? This machine was built
for 230V/460V but it's wired for 460V so I will need to get that sorted.? And I will need to again order more Nordfab pipe.? Now the fingers crossed wait to make sure it arrives safely.
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You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point.? dave
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I probably overpaid but this is the first I’ve seen come up in 2-3 years
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Jason Holtz
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
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I almost bid against you Joe!
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Joe - I was bidding against you but I got out early. These don't come up often. Congrats!
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Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Congrats!??
I am curious if you would elaborate how this machine compared to a Kundig Uniq S.? There must be reasons why you waited 2-3 years for this brand???
SW
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I was looking for either.? This particular one has the feed built in but you can only work on one side.? The Kundig Uniq is two sided.? One side set
for calibrated sanding, even sanding lacquer between coats.? The other side is like a regular edge sander.? If it was a Kundig I would have paid the same.
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Congrats!??
I am curious if you would elaborate how this machine compared to a Kundig Uniq S.? There must be reasons why you waited 2-3 years for this brand???
SW
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There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
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But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site
shows if it was a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper
than the Unique S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide
belt sander until the building/remodeling boom ends.
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On Behalf Of Bill James via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
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There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
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Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Bill James via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
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There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are the stuff of a follow on career in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
Marlowe?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
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There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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I've been told I'm a wit- half, dim, nit.? Dave
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David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are
the stuff of a follow on career in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
Marlowe?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
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There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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i read the article but i am not sure if there is anything wrong with paying more than market value, especially for a business. for example:
new machine costs $30K market value $10K purchased at auction for $12K
so you paid $2K over. Let’s say the same or similar machine may not be available for 1 year. first, no guarantee that you can pick it up for less. 2nd, how much would you lose in productivity and quality over that year. so how does this theory account for opportunity cost associated with not buying the machine?
imran
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I've been told I'm a wit- half, dim, nit.? Dave
David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are
the stuff of a follow on career in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
Marlowe?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 12:28 PM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
I've been told I'm a wit- half, dim, nit.? Dave
David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are
the stuff of a follow on career in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
Marlowe?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
?
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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On Behalf Of imranindiana via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 11:42 AM
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i read the article but i am not sure if there is anything wrong with paying more than market value, especially for a business. for example:
purchased at auction for $12K
so you paid $2K over. Let’s say the same or similar machine may not be available for 1 year. first, no guarantee that you can pick it up for less. 2nd, how much would you lose in productivity and quality over that year. so how does this
theory account for opportunity cost associated with not buying the machine?
On Dec 2, 2020, at 1:28 PM, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
?
I've been told I'm a wit- half, dim, nit.? Dave
David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are the stuff of a follow on career
in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in
your max bid as that site shows if it was a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the
belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.?
I may wait on a wide belt sander until the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
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There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Congratulations! ?What is the deal with that accessory table top that appears to be shop made? ?
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Joe Jensen
Jason Holtz
Kerryj_smith
imran