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Felder K975 arbor bearing


 

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

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Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via groups.io" <strongman_one@...>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via groups.io" <strongman_one@...>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

Do I understand that the new bearings required a new arbor as well?

Marlowe McGraw?

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 7:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

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How were the old bearings supposed to be lubricated?? Those Explorer open bearings should have lasted forever if maintained.? I agree they are small for that large of a saw but they had to be ignored to go that bad.? Felder likes to use shielded bearings and that is what i expected to see.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 7:38 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

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The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

Yes..when you? buy the arbor the bearings come already on it..as well as the 3 step pulley..you can buy just the bearings if thats all you want from what i was told?


On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:56:13 AM PDT, Marlowe McGraw <marlomcgraw@...> wrote:


Do I understand that the new bearings required a new arbor as well?

Marlowe McGraw?

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 7:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

There are 2 bearings. One in each end.. you can oil the bearing closest to the blade, but the bearing that went bad is buried inside the saw and might be a challenge to get to, so it was neglected?

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 06:25:25 AM PDT, David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:


How were the old bearings supposed to be lubricated?? Those Explorer open bearings should have lasted forever if maintained.? I agree they are small for that large of a saw but they had to be ignored to go that bad.? Felder likes to use shielded bearings and that is what i expected to see.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 7:38 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

IMG_0693.JPG
IMG_0694.JPG

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

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there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?
David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

<IMG_0693.JPG>

<IMG_0694.JPG>


James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

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There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only, it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?
David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

<IMG_0693.JPG>

<IMG_0694.JPG>


James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.

I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.

IMG_0755.JPG
IMG_0756.JPG
IMG_0758.JPG

James


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only, it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?
David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

<IMG_0693.JPG>

<IMG_0694.JPG>


James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

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I’ve been down this spindle bearing path before. ? At least in my experience, the bearings were pressed on with a slight interference fit. ?You could use a bearing heater to expand new bearings enough to go onto the spindle, but getting the old ones off required an arbor press. ? Yours may be different, but just be aware that it may not be as simple as pulling off the retaining collars.

David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/





On Jul 27, 2020, at 5:14 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.

I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.

<IMG_0755.JPG>
<IMG_0756.JPG>
<IMG_0758.JPG>

James


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only, it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?
David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

<IMG_0693.JPG>

<IMG_0694.JPG>


James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few








 

David,

I am not going to remove the bearing. My point is the spindle bearing on my 2017 KF700S is sealed and meant to be replaced after a few years.

James
?

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 8:19 PM david@... via <david=[email protected]> wrote:
I’ve been down this spindle bearing path before. ? At least in my experience, the bearings were pressed on with a slight interference fit.? You could use a bearing heater to expand new bearings enough to go onto the spindle, but getting the old ones off required an arbor press. ? Yours may be different, but just be aware that it may not be as simple as pulling off the retaining collars.

David Best







On Jul 27, 2020, at 5:14 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.

I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.

<IMG_0755.JPG>
<IMG_0756.JPG>
<IMG_0758.JPG>

James


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only, it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?
David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

<IMG_0693.JPG>

<IMG_0694.JPG>


James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few








 

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The special castle nut socket/wrench and the 2 pin wrench will be the most expensive part of the job.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "david@... via groups.io" <david@...>
Date: 2020-07-27 8:19 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

I’ve been down this spindle bearing path before. ? At least in my experience, the bearings were pressed on with a slight interference fit. ?You could use a bearing heater to expand new bearings enough to go onto the spindle, but getting the old ones off required an arbor press. ? Yours may be different, but just be aware that it may not be as simple as pulling off the retaining collars.

David Best

https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/





On Jul 27, 2020, at 5:14 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.

I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.

<IMG_0755.JPG>
<IMG_0756.JPG>
<IMG_0758.JPG>

James


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only, it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?
David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

<IMG_0693.JPG>

<IMG_0694.JPG>


James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few








 

I do not have such tools and the arbor press, no?interest in acquiring those tools. I for sure will get a professional to replace the bearing when the time comes.

James


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:06 PM "jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
The special castle nut socket/wrench and the 2 pin wrench will be the most expensive part of the job.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "david@... via " <david=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-27 8:19 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

I’ve been down this spindle bearing path before. ? At least in my experience, the bearings were pressed on with a slight interference fit.? You could use a bearing heater to expand new bearings enough to go onto the spindle, but getting the old ones off required an arbor press. ? Yours may be different, but just be aware that it may not be as simple as pulling off the retaining collars.

David Best







On Jul 27, 2020, at 5:14 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.

I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.

<IMG_0755.JPG>
<IMG_0756.JPG>
<IMG_0758.JPG>

James


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only, it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?
David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

<IMG_0693.JPG>

<IMG_0694.JPG>


James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few








 

开云体育

It might be that the zerks are only on the router spindle as those bearings need to run faster.? I can see the shield in the first picture.? For those that replace those bearings, an incandscent bulb can serve as a bearing heater.? I usually replace the lock nut on the bottom as some say they shouldn't be reused.? I don't know so I err on the side of replacement.? Seals and shields are quite different and affect the speed limit of the bearings.? There are noncontact seals but they are rare and usually more expensive.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Felder Owner Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.

I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.

IMG_0755.JPG
IMG_0756.JPG
IMG_0758.JPG

James


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only, it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?
David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

<IMG_0693.JPG>

<IMG_0694.JPG>


James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

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Dave just for reference all my 2011 F700Z spindles 30mm, 1 1/4" and the router spindle have zerks. I think Felder went all sealed bearing for shapers and JPs around 2015. When I was in the trade we typically reused the nut if it was in good shape and just added a couple of drops of blue loctite. Proper torque is the most important thing.



Sent from Samsung tablet.


-------- Original message --------
From: David Kumm <davekumm@...>
Date: 2020-07-27 11:16 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

It might be that the zerks are only on the router spindle as those bearings need to run faster.? I can see the shield in the first picture.? For those that replace those bearings, an incandscent bulb can serve as a bearing heater.? I usually replace the lock nut on the bottom as some say they shouldn't be reused.? I don't know so I err on the side of replacement.? Seals and shields are quite different and affect the speed limit of the bearings.? There are noncontact seals but they are rare and usually more expensive.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Felder Owner Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.

I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.

IMG_0755.JPG
IMG_0756.JPG
IMG_0758.JPG

James


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only, it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?
David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

<IMG_0693.JPG>

<IMG_0694.JPG>


James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
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I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few


 

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I just checked my old F7 spindles and all have zerks too.? Good info on the nut.? They are common enough that you don't need to buy from Felder.? I'm remembering $5 or less but don't remember how long ago that was.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of "jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 11:33 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
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Dave just for reference all my 2011 F700Z spindles 30mm, 1 1/4" and the router spindle have zerks. I think Felder went all sealed bearing for shapers and JPs around 2015. When I was in the trade we typically reused the nut if it was in good shape and just added a couple of drops of blue loctite. Proper torque is the most important thing.



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-------- Original message --------
From: David Kumm <davekumm@...>
Date: 2020-07-27 11:16 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

It might be that the zerks are only on the router spindle as those bearings need to run faster.? I can see the shield in the first picture.? For those that replace those bearings, an incandscent bulb can serve as a bearing heater.? I usually replace the lock nut on the bottom as some say they shouldn't be reused.? I don't know so I err on the side of replacement.? Seals and shields are quite different and affect the speed limit of the bearings.? There are noncontact seals but they are rare and usually more expensive.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Felder Owner Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
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There are two bearings in the 1 1/4" shaper spindle. I do not think you can use a grease gun to pump the grease into it, cause there is no zerk.

I think the top bearing can be removed after unscrewing the ring above it, the bottom bearing can be removed by removing the cap below it.





James


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:45 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
There should be two small zerks.? I was remembering shields but maybe those bearings are open on one side.? A shielded won't get much help from outside greasing.? If you don't have the zerks, the bearings for sure are shielded.? If shielded on one side only, it is sometimes easier to find ZZ and remove one rather than specify Z.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
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there should be a small hole with a ball. i cannot recall if there is one or two per bearing. IIRC, only one pump is recommended. cannot remember the frequency. if you give it more grease, it is not the end of the world. just bunch of cleaning as it is flung out once spinning.

imran?

On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:31 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

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David,

This is the 1 1/4" spindle on 2017 KF700.? I have no clue how to lubricate this bearing.

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James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
The shaper bearings at least are shielded, not sealed.? Sealed have a lower speed limit so shielded or open are needed when a larger, higher load bearing are needed at high speed.? That is why industrial shapers often used precision open bearings in oil.? The oil and the higher precision allowed large high load bearings to run at much higher speeds than standard grease bearings with contact seals could operate.? The lubrication system needed came at a high cost though.? There is always a compromise.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of James Zhu <james.zhu2@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing
?
I never did any maintenance on my KF700 and AD741 for 3+ years.?

So I bought grease and tried to lubricate the bearings, then I found out all the bearings on shaper spindle, saw and AD741 are sealed.?

Only maintenance needed is to lubricate the height adjustment spindle for the planer table, shaper and saw blade.

It is very difficult to get access to the saw height adjustment spindle, I bought the Felder spindle fluid, spray fluid on the small portion of the spindle I can see.

James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Randy Child via <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think the previous owner ever performed a single maintenance procedure on the saw..The belts were also replaced because the original belts (15 year old) were still on it and cracking, so I replaced the main belt and scoring belt. I upgraded the blade brake circuit board to the newer and better circuit board and had the digital read-out for blade height and blade angle calibrated to read correctly.? I am proud to say that the saw is now 100% restored and everything works as it should.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 05:03:56 AM PDT, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:


Looks like lack of proper lubrication over time did them in. At least with the new setup you won't have to worry about maintenance. Like Mac stated earlier about sealed bearings, expected life span of at least 10 years with normal use.?



John
JMK Services


-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Child via " <strongman_one=[email protected]>
Date: 2020-07-25 7:38 a.m. (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [FOG] Felder K975 arbor bearing

The main blade arbor bearings went out on my K975 and had a new, improved version put in by the Felder tech Jason.? The bearings on the new arbor shaft are a lot beefier and sealed, unlike the bearings on the original shaft, which were not sealed.? The bearing really got burned up as you can see from the pictures.? It didn't take long really to get the old arbor out, maybe 30 minutes.? The new arbor and how it's designed will allow me to swap out the bearings much easier than the old style and I won't need a tech to do it either, that's the beauty of the new design.? I forgot to take pictures of the new arbor, but will ask Felder to send me a few