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#diy #dustguard K700s Dust Guard
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A while back I started a discussion about my regret for not getting the overhead saw guard for my K700s. I toyed with getting a 3rd party solution, but ultimately ended up with a temporary bracket made out of baltic birch. That solution left me wanting more rigidity and generally something more beefy, so I decided a few months ago that I would make a permanent version with better materials.
When doing the research for the 3rd party guard, I came across several manufacturers that offer sliders and discovered that in the middle tier, they were made pretty much identically and likely at the same factory in Taiwan. So I got in touch with Grizzly and ordered just the dust guard assemblies and was pleasantly surprised how well made they were. They're ABS with polycarb windows and allow for both straight and miter cuts. It consists of a top assembly with two lower sliding parts, one for straight and one for miter/bevel cuts.? Looking at both the Felder and other designs for inspiration, I went ahead and prototyped one up out of 80/20. It uses 1530 profile and attaches directly to the K700s mounting points and extends out enough to cut a 8' sheet at exactly 48". 1530 profiles have a decent deflection rating at the lengths required for the arm, so I chose them rather than the larger 3030 which would have weighed a lot more. There's some additional reinforcement using 80/20's 45 degree brackets and plates. Going with 80/20 made it easier to put together without the prep, and finish work needed with welded steel but with a bit of added cost.? There are several plates/brackets that will connect the Grizzly assemblies to the profile and for kicks, I've decided to add a simple linear actuator to raise/lower the head. There are other ways to do this using gas springs but decided the actuator was the simplest approach for me. The brackets ride on 80/20 linear bearings to allow for the movement.? I am currently waiting for aluminum stock to arrive to mill out the brackets for the top dust guard assembly but wanted to share the work in progress and some design shots.? Let me know what you think!? PS. Yes, I could have ordered the OEM guard after the fact but what's the fun in that?? |
开云体育Nice job Sang! Question can you swing it out of the way? I actually do that quite often for the clamps to clear on narrow parts or for odd ball tall stuff like the attached picRegards, Mark On Jul 15, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:
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Very nice! ? I have also regretted not purchasing the overhead guard and have considered making one myself. Yours is far superior to anything I would have come up with. Would you mind sharing the model or link for the?dust guard assemblies?that you purchased from Grizzly? ?
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开云体育Nice job. ? Personally, I would not want an overhead guard that did not have the ability to swing out of the way, along with a quick release at the guard end. ????What did Grizzly charge you for the guard assembly? David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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I haven't decided on how best to implement a pivot. Consequently, adding one reduces rigidity, so I may leave it out for now or introduce some sort of quick remove for the whole top arm. If I had more space to the right, I could simply unbolt and slide it back but I only have inches.?
The parts for the guard from Grizzly are:? P0764Z2034? ? ? DUST HOOD ASSY P0764Z2035? ? ? BLADE GUARD ASSY (WIDE) P0764Z2036? ? ? BLADE GUARD ASSY (NARROW) They came in at a reasonable $342.17 shipped -- but in hindsight I could have just ordered the narrow with only the wide poly carb window - I don't think it's necessary to have both, just more convenient.? |
This is how the horizontal square?steel tube is secured on my 2016 KF700, very rigid.?It can be swung out to the right when using the shaper. The steel tube Felder uses is heavy duty, may not necessary.? James On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:18 PM Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: I haven't decided on how best to implement a pivot. Consequently, adding one reduces rigidity, so I may leave it out for now or introduce some sort of quick remove for the whole top arm. If I had more space to the right, I could simply unbolt and slide it back but I only have inches.? |
开云体育Sang Luu, very nice looking solution. Grizzly guard indeed looks just as good as any. As Mark said you do want to consider getting it out of the way. swinging is likely not an easy option for this design but the single horizontal member could be done with two that slide against each other. Maybe the guard is easy to remove and that is the solution you already have on hand. imran On Jul 15, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:
?A while back I started a discussion about my regret for not getting the overhead saw guard for my K700s. I toyed with getting a 3rd party solution, but ultimately ended up with a temporary bracket made out of baltic birch. That solution left me wanting more rigidity and generally something more beefy, so I decided a few months ago that I would make a permanent version with better materials. When doing the research for the 3rd party guard, I came across several manufacturers that offer sliders and discovered that in the middle tier, they were made pretty much identically and likely at the same factory in Taiwan. So I got in touch with Grizzly and ordered just the dust guard assemblies and was pleasantly surprised how well made they were. They're ABS with polycarb windows and allow for both straight and miter cuts. It consists of a top assembly with two lower sliding parts, one for straight and one for miter/bevel cuts.? Looking at both the Felder and other designs for inspiration, I went ahead and prototyped one up out of 80/20. It uses 1530 profile and attaches directly to the K700s mounting points and extends out enough to cut a 8' sheet at exactly 48". 1530 profiles have a decent deflection rating at the lengths required for the arm, so I chose them rather than the larger 3030 which would have weighed a lot more. There's some additional reinforcement using 80/20's 45 degree brackets and plates. Going with 80/20 made it easier to put together without the prep, and finish work needed with welded steel but with a bit of added cost.? There are several plates/brackets that will connect the Grizzly assemblies to the profile and for kicks, I've decided to add a simple linear actuator to raise/lower the head. There are other ways to do this using gas springs but decided the actuator was the simplest approach for me. The brackets ride on 80/20 linear bearings to allow for the movement.? I am currently waiting for aluminum stock to arrive to mill out the brackets for the top dust guard assembly but wanted to share the work in progress and some design shots.? Let me know what you think!? PS. Yes, I could have ordered the OEM guard after the fact but what's the fun in that?? <DustGuardAssembly1.jpg> <DustGuardAssembly2.jpg> <DustGuardAssembly3.jpg> <IMG_1954.jpeg> <IMG_8428.jpeg> <IMG_6335.jpeg> <IMG_1929.jpeg>
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Imran - I like the sliding idea a lot - it's simpler in my mind and would probably result in very little loss in rigidity. All the other designs pivot in the center and I bet it's the main reason for the slop. And yes, the lower part of the guard is easily removed and would make implementing the sliding idea that much easier.?
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On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:
?Imran - I like the sliding idea a lot - it's simpler in my mind and would probably result in very little loss in rigidity. All the other designs pivot in the center and I bet it's the main reason for the slop. And yes, the lower part of the guard is easily removed and would make implementing the sliding idea that much easier.?
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Sang, No, that is a?round?head square neck carriage bolt supporting the heavy steel tube, very minimal sagging with this supporting bolt.?? James On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:33 PM Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: James - I also noticed two washer stacks - was there some major sagging?? |
开云体育My K975 had a telescoping overhead guard that was quite functional in getting the guard the hell out of the way when needing to use clamps close to the blade or a various jigs. ? This might be easier to employ with your design than a pivot-away system:Examples of situations where getting the guard out of the way becomes important. David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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开云体育With my clamps the controls adjustments ?Are independent Of the position of the angle of the clamp pad and can be positioned for operator ergonomics.Also the lead edge clamp is sent out so the valve ball is parallel to the slider so the clamp can pass right next to the guard. When the pad retracts there is more than an inch of clearance in the pinch zone . The angle of the pad is adjustable 360 at 8 degrees. Mac,,, martin/campshure/co/llc Designing and building for 50 years On Jul 16, 2020, at 4:10 AM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
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David B - Very illustrative, thanks for sharing the shots of the setups and the telescopic arm. I think I'll noodle on this a bit and hopefully come up with something workable before I have that first need to remove the guard.
Luckily, the pneumatic clamps that I DIY'd?are actually quite low profile so clearance should not be a problem. The planned upward travel of the guard is about 6" so there's enough there to clear my clamps. I haven't needed to cut large workpieces pieces or tenons longitudinally, yet!? |
Sang, ? Do you keep all of these 80/20 bits just sitting in a box somewhere?? The stuff isn't cheap. Dave On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 4:02 PM Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote: Reworked the design a bit with an updated sliding mechanism -- I'll have to hope it doesn't introduce a ton of play/slop in the arm. --
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On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:
?Reworked the design a bit with an updated sliding mechanism -- I'll have to hope it doesn't introduce a ton of play/slop in the arm. Anyone with experience with 80/20 linear bearings for this application?? <DustGuardAssembly.jpg>
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