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Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Welcome to the group! You can make a million bucks in woodworking, but you’ll need to start with 2. LOL
Bill Belanger?
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 07:02, jcorrado72@... wrote:
? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Seriously, you probably won’t make any more money with the Felder than you would with the SawStop. So if what you want is a slider, I would say that the Felder is as good as the alternatives. Buy what you can afford and enjoy it. Trying to justify a hobby is tough. Having said that, the purchase delivery and setup of a Felder product is an undertaking of it itself, so be patient. You’ve come to the right place for help. Again, Welcome…
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 07:12, Bill Belanger via groups.io <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? Welcome to the group! You can make a million bucks in woodworking, but you’ll need to start with 2. LOL
Bill Belanger? On Feb 1, 2024, at 07:02, jcorrado72@... wrote:
? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Hello and Welcome to the group. What is your name? We like posters to put their name in the closing ?
If you want to explore used I regularly post on my FB (link below). Most are on the west coast but recall one in Chicago area not too long ago.
These are well built machines but things do go wrong with new and old, so it is best if the owner is able to align and maintain these machines. Getting Felder to fix or align the machine is too expensive for most typical hobbiests except for the few who can afford it.
My 2002 KF700 works just as good as new. With used you can check for table flatness, runout on arbor/spindle and functionality prior to purchase. Everyone is different but after buying 2002 KF new all other Felder machines (4) that I have were bought used.
If you are not familiar with the machines lookup someone near you. This is a friendly group and you should be able to see the machine in person. I am in central Indiana so bit of a drive but happy to go over the machines that I have.
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:02?AM, jcorrado72@... wrote: ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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I am sorry but I also wanted to thank you for your service and happy retirement ?
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:02?AM, jcorrado72@... wrote: ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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I came from a Powermatic cabinet saw over 20 years and now have the same K700S machine.? I am very happy that I moved to a full size slider.? There are many things that I can do so much easier now with the slider!!
That being said, specifications say the WA80 weighs in at 1000+ kg.? That translates to 2200 lbs.? It is a much heavier built saw than the K700S, which averages around 1600 lbs.? The frame and base cabinet metal will likely resist flex better and the machine may feel more "solid" when working with it.? I would say the WA80 is more in line with the Felder K945S or even the Format4 machines (which average 1950-2100 lbs).?? The lower end Altendorf WA8 or F25 saws are likely more equal to the K700S machine.
The WA80 is minimum 7.5HP which most likely means it is a 3-phase power machine.? Do you have 3-phase power in your shop?? If you are running a Sawstop, I suspect that you only have 240V single phase A/C power.? The 3-phase machines are always recommended and run smoother and quieter, but it is definitely a considerable expense.? In my situation, I ended up with single phase because converting my shop to 3-phase power would be almost as much as the K700S cost itself.?? The downsides of single phase is motor noise/smoothness and having to deal with replacing the motor start/run capacitors.? On the Felder single phase machines, you need to hold down the power button until the motor has spun up to full speed.? Otherwise, you risk burning out the capacitors early (like within a year or less).? Overall, replacing capacitors is likely a 100-200 dollar expense.? A 3 phase setup can cost 3-10 thousand or more depending on how you do it and if you are doing a full electrician/permit install.?? If you are not doing 3-phase, then the Felder K700S is a very nice saw.
Getting the saw to your location in Michigan safely is going to be another expense.? I would likely suggest having Felder ship the product via freight from their New Castle, DE location to a freight terminal in Michigan local.? Then arrange for a local rigging company to transport it to your shop (fully insured) using flatbed and forklift.? These are not machines you can ship with a lift-gate truck.? Alternatively, you can rent a drop-deck trailer and transport it yourself, but be aware of insurance coverage.? Many consumer auto insurance companies will not insure this type of transport.? I would figure a couple thousand dollars (or possibly more) extra for safe shipping to your location.
Getting the machine setup and aligned by Felder is likely a $2k cost.? You can do it yourself (I did).? It requires a $500-800 investment in calibration and measurement tools.? It's a great way to get to know your machine.
If I have 3-phase power and a budget of around $30-35k, I might choose the Felder K945S over the Altendorf because Felder have added a bunch of features to the new K945S that are really nice.? Also, it's the lowest cost point where you could also get the PCS protection system.? But that's me.? The Altendorf looks to be a very well engineered machine with excellent build quality.
After working with the K700S for over a year, I don't regret my purchase at all.?? Based on my experience and everything I've read, the Felder saws are actually pretty good.? I've compared using both the Felder and Minimax sliding table saws and I think the Felder are nicer.? However, once you get into jointer/planer choices, the Felder products do have their problems.
-Aaron
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Thank you for your service in public safety!
I’m a retired hobby woodworker (with a generous budget for toys) who recently purchased a 2012 vintage KF700S (lightly used by hobby woodworker) after using a Sawstop ICS for 6 years. I’m blown away and in love with the slider. I could have afforded to buy a new one but happy with the used one.
I’m a yes vote for a slider. Strategically, I’d suggest buying a Felder vs the more expensive machine and bank the extra $ in case public pensions come under pressure in the future. (Sorry, I’m not trying to be political…just pragmatic).
Regards, Michael
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:02?AM, jcorrado72@... wrote:
? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Hi Aaron,
Current capacitor cost for rise and fall of blade on a K700S, to Milton WA $84.94 shipped. ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:42?AM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
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I came from a Powermatic cabinet saw over 20 years and now have the same K700S machine.? I am very happy that I moved to a full size slider.? There are many things that I can do so much easier now with the slider!! That being said, specifications say the WA80 weighs in at 1000+ kg.? That translates to 2200 lbs.? It is a much heavier built saw than the K700S, which averages around 1600 lbs.? The frame and base cabinet metal will likely resist flex better and the machine may feel more "solid" when working with it.? I would say the WA80 is more in line with the Felder K945S or even the Format4 machines (which average 1950-2100 lbs).?? The lower end Altendorf WA8 or F25 saws are likely more equal to the K700S machine. The WA80 is minimum 7.5HP which most likely means it is a 3-phase power machine.? Do you have 3-phase power in your shop?? If you are running a Sawstop, I suspect that you only have 240V single phase A/C power.? The 3-phase machines are always recommended and run smoother and quieter, but it is definitely a considerable expense.? In my situation, I ended up with single phase because converting my shop to 3-phase power would be almost as much as the K700S cost itself.?? The downsides of single phase is motor noise/smoothness and having to deal with replacing the motor start/run capacitors.? On the Felder single phase machines, you need to hold down the power button until the motor has spun up to full speed.? Otherwise, you risk burning out the capacitors early (like within a year or less).? Overall, replacing capacitors is likely a 100-200 dollar expense.? A 3 phase setup can cost 3-10 thousand or more depending on how you do it and if you are doing a full electrician/permit install.?? If you are not doing 3-phase, then the Felder K700S is a very nice saw. Getting the saw to your location in Michigan safely is going to be another expense.? I would likely suggest having Felder ship the product via freight from their New Castle, DE location to a freight terminal in Michigan local.? Then arrange for a local rigging company to transport it to your shop (fully insured) using flatbed and forklift.? These are not machines you can ship with a lift-gate truck.? Alternatively, you can rent a drop-deck trailer and transport it yourself, but be aware of insurance coverage.? Many consumer auto insurance companies will not insure this type of transport.? I would figure a couple thousand dollars (or possibly more) extra for safe shipping to your location. Getting the machine setup and aligned by Felder is likely a $2k cost.? You can do it yourself (I did).? It requires a $500-800 investment in calibration and measurement tools.? It's a great way to get to know your machine. If I have 3-phase power and a budget of around $30-35k, I might choose the Felder K945S over the Altendorf because Felder have added a bunch of features to the new K945S that are really nice.? Also, it's the lowest cost point where you could also get the PCS protection system.? But that's me.? The Altendorf looks to be a very well engineered machine with excellent build quality. After working with the K700S for over a year, I don't regret my purchase at all.?? Based on my experience and everything I've read, the Felder saws are actually pretty good.? I've compared using both the Felder and Minimax sliding table saws and I think the Felder are nicer.? However, once you get into jointer/planer choices, the Felder products do have their problems. -Aaron
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Wade,
Just to be clear, the smoothing DC capacitor you are referencing is present in both single and 3 ph machines as long as you have motorized raise/fall of blade.
Aaron is speaking of higher voltage AC start/run capacitors that are only present in single phase machine and a consideration in deciding whether to go with single or 3 phase motors.
Having said that, despite the capacitance and voltage difference the start/run caps are likely very close to the price you quoted when bought from Felder. They are less than half of that in the marketplace.
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 11:02?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote: ? Hi Aaron,
Current capacitor cost for rise and fall of blade on a K700S, to Milton WA $84.94 shipped. ?
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:42?AM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
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I came from a Powermatic cabinet saw over 20 years and now have the same K700S machine.? I am very happy that I moved to a full size slider.? There are many things that I can do so much easier now with the slider!! That being said, specifications say the WA80 weighs in at 1000+ kg.? That translates to 2200 lbs.? It is a much heavier built saw than the K700S, which averages around 1600 lbs.? The frame and base cabinet metal will likely resist flex better and the machine may feel more "solid" when working with it.? I would say the WA80 is more in line with the Felder K945S or even the Format4 machines (which average 1950-2100 lbs).?? The lower end Altendorf WA8 or F25 saws are likely more equal to the K700S machine. The WA80 is minimum 7.5HP which most likely means it is a 3-phase power machine.? Do you have 3-phase power in your shop?? If you are running a Sawstop, I suspect that you only have 240V single phase A/C power.? The 3-phase machines are always recommended and run smoother and quieter, but it is definitely a considerable expense.? In my situation, I ended up with single phase because converting my shop to 3-phase power would be almost as much as the K700S cost itself.?? The downsides of single phase is motor noise/smoothness and having to deal with replacing the motor start/run capacitors.? On the Felder single phase machines, you need to hold down the power button until the motor has spun up to full speed.? Otherwise, you risk burning out the capacitors early (like within a year or less).? Overall, replacing capacitors is likely a 100-200 dollar expense.? A 3 phase setup can cost 3-10 thousand or more depending on how you do it and if you are doing a full electrician/permit install.?? If you are not doing 3-phase, then the Felder K700S is a very nice saw. Getting the saw to your location in Michigan safely is going to be another expense.? I would likely suggest having Felder ship the product via freight from their New Castle, DE location to a freight terminal in Michigan local.? Then arrange for a local rigging company to transport it to your shop (fully insured) using flatbed and forklift.? These are not machines you can ship with a lift-gate truck.? Alternatively, you can rent a drop-deck trailer and transport it yourself, but be aware of insurance coverage.? Many consumer auto insurance companies will not insure this type of transport.? I would figure a couple thousand dollars (or possibly more) extra for safe shipping to your location. Getting the machine setup and aligned by Felder is likely a $2k cost.? You can do it yourself (I did).? It requires a $500-800 investment in calibration and measurement tools.? It's a great way to get to know your machine. If I have 3-phase power and a budget of around $30-35k, I might choose the Felder K945S over the Altendorf because Felder have added a bunch of features to the new K945S that are really nice.? Also, it's the lowest cost point where you could also get the PCS protection system.? But that's me.? The Altendorf looks to be a very well engineered machine with excellent build quality. After working with the K700S for over a year, I don't regret my purchase at all.?? Based on my experience and everything I've read, the Felder saws are actually pretty good.? I've compared using both the Felder and Minimax sliding table saws and I think the Felder are nicer.? However, once you get into jointer/planer choices, the Felder products do have their problems. -Aaron
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Why not go with a used saw? I stepped up from an Oliver 270 to an older k700s and after a couple of years with it I now know if I bought a new saw what I'd really value.
Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Thanks Imran.
Just stated for context. ?There so many variations out there. ?
I just went through hours of troubleshooting with a Felder Tech and finally found my issue. ?
I say hours because he was stumped as hell on what was causing the issue. ?Turns out my Multimeter decided to go bad. ?We had to start all over once I bought a replacement. ?
Thx,
Wade
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 8:23?AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Wade,
Just to be clear, the smoothing DC capacitor you are referencing is present in both single and 3 ph machines as long as you have motorized raise/fall of blade.
Aaron is speaking of higher voltage AC start/run capacitors that are only present in single phase machine and a consideration in deciding whether to go with single or 3 phase motors.
Having said that, despite the capacitance and voltage difference the start/run caps are likely very close to the price you quoted when bought from Felder. They are less than half of that in the marketplace.
On Feb 1, 2024, at 11:02?AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hi Aaron,
Current capacitor cost for rise and fall of blade on a K700S, to Milton WA $84.94 shipped. ?
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:42?AM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
? [Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: spelling/word]
I came from a Powermatic cabinet saw over 20 years and now have the same K700S machine.? I am very happy that I moved to a full size slider.? There are many things that I can do so much easier now with the slider!! That being said, specifications say the WA80 weighs in at 1000+ kg.? That translates to 2200 lbs.? It is a much heavier built saw than the K700S, which averages around 1600 lbs.? The frame and base cabinet metal will likely resist flex better and the machine may feel more "solid" when working with it.? I would say the WA80 is more in line with the Felder K945S or even the Format4 machines (which average 1950-2100 lbs).?? The lower end Altendorf WA8 or F25 saws are likely more equal to the K700S machine. The WA80 is minimum 7.5HP which most likely means it is a 3-phase power machine.? Do you have 3-phase power in your shop?? If you are running a Sawstop, I suspect that you only have 240V single phase A/C power.? The 3-phase machines are always recommended and run smoother and quieter, but it is definitely a considerable expense.? In my situation, I ended up with single phase because converting my shop to 3-phase power would be almost as much as the K700S cost itself.?? The downsides of single phase is motor noise/smoothness and having to deal with replacing the motor start/run capacitors.? On the Felder single phase machines, you need to hold down the power button until the motor has spun up to full speed.? Otherwise, you risk burning out the capacitors early (like within a year or less).? Overall, replacing capacitors is likely a 100-200 dollar expense.? A 3 phase setup can cost 3-10 thousand or more depending on how you do it and if you are doing a full electrician/permit install.?? If you are not doing 3-phase, then the Felder K700S is a very nice saw. Getting the saw to your location in Michigan safely is going to be another expense.? I would likely suggest having Felder ship the product via freight from their New Castle, DE location to a freight terminal in Michigan local.? Then arrange for a local rigging company to transport it to your shop (fully insured) using flatbed and forklift.? These are not machines you can ship with a lift-gate truck.? Alternatively, you can rent a drop-deck trailer and transport it yourself, but be aware of insurance coverage.? Many consumer auto insurance companies will not insure this type of transport.? I would figure a couple thousand dollars (or possibly more) extra for safe shipping to your location. Getting the machine setup and aligned by Felder is likely a $2k cost.? You can do it yourself (I did).? It requires a $500-800 investment in calibration and measurement tools.? It's a great way to get to know your machine. If I have 3-phase power and a budget of around $30-35k, I might choose the Felder K945S over the Altendorf because Felder have added a bunch of features to the new K945S that are really nice.? Also, it's the lowest cost point where you could also get the PCS protection system.? But that's me.? The Altendorf looks to be a very well engineered machine with excellent build quality. After working with the K700S for over a year, I don't regret my purchase at all.?? Based on my experience and everything I've read, the Felder saws are actually pretty good.? I've compared using both the Felder and Minimax sliding table saws and I think the Felder are nicer.? However, once you get into jointer/planer choices, the Felder products do have their problems. -Aaron
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Imran,
As you know, I ordered a replacement 4HP motor with both start and run capacitors for my FB510 bandsaw in Oct 2023.
The start capacitor is 109.08 CAD (about 82 USD), the run capacitor is 64.94 CAD (about 49 USD).
Yes, the same rating capacitor is about the half price or less in the marketplace.
James
Wade,
Just to be clear, the smoothing DC capacitor you are referencing is present in both single and 3 ph machines as long as you have motorized raise/fall of blade.
Aaron is speaking of higher voltage AC start/run capacitors that are only present in single phase machine and a consideration in deciding whether to go with single or 3 phase motors.
Having said that, despite the capacitance and voltage difference the start/run caps are likely very close to the price you quoted when bought from Felder. They are less than half of that in the marketplace. ? Hi Aaron,
Current capacitor cost for rise and fall of blade on a K700S, to Milton WA $84.94 shipped. ?
Thx,
Wade
On Feb 1, 2024, at 7:42?AM, Aaron Inami <ainami@...> wrote:
? [Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: spelling/word]
I came from a Powermatic cabinet saw over 20 years and now have the same K700S machine.? I am very happy that I moved to a full size slider.? There are many things that I can do so much easier now with the slider!! That being said, specifications say the WA80 weighs in at 1000+ kg.? That translates to 2200 lbs.? It is a much heavier built saw than the K700S, which averages around 1600 lbs.? The frame and base cabinet metal will likely resist flex better and the machine may feel more "solid" when working with it.? I would say the WA80 is more in line with the Felder K945S or even the Format4 machines (which average 1950-2100 lbs).?? The lower end Altendorf WA8 or F25 saws are likely more equal to the K700S machine. The WA80 is minimum 7.5HP which most likely means it is a 3-phase power machine.? Do you have 3-phase power in your shop?? If you are running a Sawstop, I suspect that you only have 240V single phase A/C power.? The 3-phase machines are always recommended and run smoother and quieter, but it is definitely a considerable expense.? In my situation, I ended up with single phase because converting my shop to 3-phase power would be almost as much as the K700S cost itself.?? The downsides of single phase is motor noise/smoothness and having to deal with replacing the motor start/run capacitors.? On the Felder single phase machines, you need to hold down the power button until the motor has spun up to full speed.? Otherwise, you risk burning out the capacitors early (like within a year or less).? Overall, replacing capacitors is likely a 100-200 dollar expense.? A 3 phase setup can cost 3-10 thousand or more depending on how you do it and if you are doing a full electrician/permit install.?? If you are not doing 3-phase, then the Felder K700S is a very nice saw. Getting the saw to your location in Michigan safely is going to be another expense.? I would likely suggest having Felder ship the product via freight from their New Castle, DE location to a freight terminal in Michigan local.? Then arrange for a local rigging company to transport it to your shop (fully insured) using flatbed and forklift.? These are not machines you can ship with a lift-gate truck.? Alternatively, you can rent a drop-deck trailer and transport it yourself, but be aware of insurance coverage.? Many consumer auto insurance companies will not insure this type of transport.? I would figure a couple thousand dollars (or possibly more) extra for safe shipping to your location. Getting the machine setup and aligned by Felder is likely a $2k cost.? You can do it yourself (I did).? It requires a $500-800 investment in calibration and measurement tools.? It's a great way to get to know your machine. If I have 3-phase power and a budget of around $30-35k, I might choose the Felder K945S over the Altendorf because Felder have added a bunch of features to the new K945S that are really nice.? Also, it's the lowest cost point where you could also get the PCS protection system.? But that's me.? The Altendorf looks to be a very well engineered machine with excellent build quality. After working with the K700S for over a year, I don't regret my purchase at all.?? Based on my experience and everything I've read, the Felder saws are actually pretty good.? I've compared using both the Felder and Minimax sliding table saws and I think the Felder are nicer.? However, once you get into jointer/planer choices, the Felder products do have their problems. -Aaron
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Not sure where you are located, but there are a bunch of used machine out there right now!
PK
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For me, purchasing a slider was, and remains, more about safety, precision, and ease-of-use... relative to a cabinet saw.
I rarely work with sheet goods. However, my K700S remains the center of my woodworking via keeping me away from the line-of-cut, and its ability to dial-in hairline adjustments, achieve dead-on miters, and safely process 8/4+ materials.?
I find the K700S to be an excellent value, relative to the higher-quality, more electronically-capable versions.
That said, it is an investment, and you need to use it. I've abused mine for several years now, and it's as accurate as the day delivered.
Welcome to the Forum.
On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 09:42:40 AM EST, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I am sorry but I also wanted to thank you for your service and happy retirement ?
On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:02?AM, jcorrado72@... wrote: ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday. ?I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S. ?I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring. ?I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking. ?I currently have a saw stop. ?I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S. ?I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
-- Mike D. Annapolis, MD AD951; K700S; N4400
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One big reason for buying Felder is this group.....the guys in this community here are unbelievably?helpful. Had a quick look for an Altendorf?community......it took me to the FOG k 700 s is a great saw.
For me, purchasing a slider was, and remains, more about safety, precision, and ease-of-use... relative to a cabinet saw.
I rarely work with sheet goods. However, my K700S remains the center of my woodworking via keeping me away from the line-of-cut, and its ability to dial-in hairline adjustments, achieve dead-on miters, and safely process 8/4+ materials.?
I find the K700S to be an excellent value, relative to the higher-quality, more electronically-capable versions.
That said, it is an investment, and you need to use it. I've abused mine for several years now, and it's as accurate as the day delivered.
Welcome to the Forum.
On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 09:42:40 AM EST, imranindiana < imranindiana@...> wrote:
I am sorry but I also wanted to thank you for your service and happy retirement ? ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
--
Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
-- Kindest Regards
Jonathan Samways
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Welcome. What sort of projects do you see yourself building? I havent owned an Altendorf, but i infer that their flagship line is 'up there' with Martin and scm's?L'invicibile. Which is all to say, im confident?it's more saw than ill ever need or require, but something to dream about. However, if you build small to medium size pieces of furniture, then i think you will find a K700S(or similar make from another manufacturer) to be more than up to the task. I have an older 2005-2006 KF700, and I dont have a reason to complain. Sure, it could be larger with a gigantic cast iron top like the Martin saws. Or, i could take videos of me jumping up and down on the fully extended slider with little deflection, but practically speaking my joinery is mostly perfect with the Felder. I can see another user being a little disappointed in my saw if their intended use was straightlining very large and thick slabs. Or, if you are cutting 3/4"+ melamine sheets all day long. I owned other vintage saws, and the build was much more robust than my KF700. It isnt flimsy, but i always find myself gently lowering workpieces onto the table and outrigger. Ive been in pro shops with bigger saws, and their workers constantly slamming sheet goods onto the slider. Still, those machines cut well day in and day out. I think that is what i kinda come back to when comparing the ultra premium machines. They hold tolerances much better under hard use. For the majority of us, i dont?think you will notice an appreciable cut difference on most materials. If you havent used a decent slider before, i think you will come away impressed by the ease, speed, and accuracy. I built memorable things on my delta unisaw, but working with a very accurate crosscut fence and stop is unbelievably nice. Your first time cutting up sheet goods on a slider will be transformative. I remember being blown away by how little i had to pick up the sheet, and how square my parts were compared to a track saw/cabinet saw. I picked up a small oliver saw to compliment the felder, but it does 90% of the lifting. I save the oliver for wider dados, and funky cuts where its easier to build a quick jig.?
One counterpoint towards safety. I think sliding saws are slightly safer machines than a typical cabinet saw, but they will still cut your hand off if you let them. I see that point come up comparing sliding saws' safety to sawstop, and i dont?buy that. If you are unsure about your abilities or you lack confidence around machines, then the sawstop is something to consider keeping. Clamps, FF jigs, parallel guides, etc. are all devices to keep your hands away from the blade on a slider, but i routinely rip lumber using the rip fence and that is no different than the same operation on a cabinet saw.?
Patrick
One big reason for buying Felder is this group.....the guys in this community here are unbelievably?helpful. Had a quick look for an Altendorf?community......it took me to the FOG k 700 s is a great saw.
For me, purchasing a slider was, and remains, more about safety, precision, and ease-of-use... relative to a cabinet saw.
I rarely work with sheet goods. However, my K700S remains the center of my woodworking via keeping me away from the line-of-cut, and its ability to dial-in hairline adjustments, achieve dead-on miters, and safely process 8/4+ materials.?
I find the K700S to be an excellent value, relative to the higher-quality, more electronically-capable versions.
That said, it is an investment, and you need to use it. I've abused mine for several years now, and it's as accurate as the day delivered.
Welcome to the Forum.
On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 09:42:40 AM EST, imranindiana < imranindiana@...> wrote:
I am sorry but I also wanted to thank you for your service and happy retirement ? ? Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ?
I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.?
Thank you in advance.?
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Mike D.
Annapolis, MD
AD951; K700S; N4400
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Kindest Regards
Jonathan Samways
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The K700S can be had with a lot of different options. Folks in this group can help identify the ones you might not even think about. Processes with a slider are not the same as with a cabinet saw, so if you don’t have experience with a slider you might not know how significant some of the options are.
I like my slider, except for ripping. Ripping with a slider seems to be more tedious than with a cabinet saw (people will disagree with me on that).
You’ll find that the build quality of a K700S is far superior to a SawStop.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S and A941
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I would second Bob’s advice about considering a used saw. I don’t want to offend anyone but what I’ve seen is that there are quite a few hobbyist woodworkers who buy after retirement and then 10 - 20 years down the road find they aren’t spending as much time in the shop and sell lightly used, beloved and well-cared for equipment.
That said, I did not follow my own advice and bought new : )?
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On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Why not go with a used saw? I stepped up from an Oliver 270 to an older k700s and after a couple of years with it I now know if I bought a new saw what I'd really value. Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ? I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.? Thank you in advance.?
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Hi all,
I agree with Mr. Bird.? I am waiting for a K 700S that I ordered in Nov?of 23 and should arrive in about 8 weeks. I just saw a Kappa X-Roll with DROs, 126" slider,??looks like loaded with programing control for $15.5K located in Florida. Even after shipping across the country I would have saved several thousands. - Yes, seriously look at used machines but the devil IS "in the details.?
Good luck.? ou asked a great question Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066
On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 11:09?AM Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: I would second Bob’s advice about considering a used saw. I don’t want to offend anyone but what I’ve seen is that there are quite a few hobbyist woodworkers who buy after retirement and then 10 - 20 years down the road find they aren’t spending as much time in the shop and sell lightly used, beloved and well-cared for equipment.
That said, I did not follow my own advice and bought new : )?
Bird On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Why not go with a used saw? I stepped up from an Oliver 270 to an older k700s and after a couple of years with it I now know if I bought a new saw what I'd really value. Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ? I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.? Thank you in advance.?
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Hi Scott,? Grass is always greener on the other said of the fence . Bird would know she is a local sheep farmer . ?
Designing and building for 50 years
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On Feb 5, 2024, at 7:11?AM, sjglaser1 <sjglaser1@...> wrote:
? Hi all,
I agree with Mr. Bird.? I am waiting for a K 700S that I ordered in Nov?of 23 and should arrive in about 8 weeks. I just saw a Kappa X-Roll with DROs, 126" slider,??looks like loaded with programing control for $15.5K located in Florida. Even after shipping across the country I would have saved several thousands. - Yes, seriously look at used machines but the devil IS "in the details.?
Good luck.? ou asked a great question Scott Glaser
6627 Dolan Falls Flower Mound, TX 76226
945-444-8066 On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 11:09?AM Bird Cupps < birdc@...> wrote: I would second Bob’s advice about considering a used saw. I don’t want to offend anyone but what I’ve seen is that there are quite a few hobbyist woodworkers who buy after retirement and then 10 - 20 years down the road find they aren’t spending as much time in the shop and sell lightly used, beloved and well-cared for equipment.
That said, I did not follow my own advice and bought new : )?
Bird On Feb 1, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Bob Wise < bob@...> wrote:
Why not go with a used saw? I stepped up from an Oliver 270 to an older k700s and after a couple of years with it I now know if I bought a new saw what I'd really value. Hello,
This is my first post and joined yesterday.? I’ve been seriously considering purchasing a new K 700 S.? I am a firefighter in Michigan and soon will be retiring.? I am a hobbies woodworker now but hope to supplement my pension with a small amount from woodworking.? I currently have a saw stop.? I’ve spoken to Altendorf as well but that machine is literally double the price of the K700S.? I was wondering if I should, first off, pull the trigger and buy a slider and also, is the Altendorf (WA 80) THAT much better than the Felder? ? I appreciate this site as I have found lots of great information in my research.? Thank you in advance.?
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Bill Belanger
imran
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