On 3/8/22 2:45 PM, Brian Lamb wrote: I suspect there is enough clearance on the bolts that hold the bracket on the back of that extrusion to loosen and tilt it slightly. Your suspicion is spot on
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On 3/8/22 2:24 PM, Kevin Wells wrote: Dummy me actually made this mistake. Once How many times pushing on the door? that says Pull did it take to realize the error?
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
That Houfek CINDY machine looks neat. I ultimately opted for the North State 16” machine, but would be terribly curious to hear if anybody has/had any experience with the Houfek machines, particularly after sales service support.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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On Mar 9, 2022, at 9:42 AM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
?I’ve heard that fellow by the name of Bedrosian sells one. I am not sure how a person finds one, or what they cost. I admit I have not looked that hard.
I plan to make one today. The first attempt will be pretty basic, I suspect. Once I get a little experience I may revise it with some of the flip stops, hold-downs, grip surfaces, etc that I see in some of the YouTube videos.
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Boise ID
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I’ve heard that fellow by the name of Bedrosian sells one. I am not sure how a person finds one, or what they cost. I admit I have not looked that hard.
I plan to make one today. The first attempt will be pretty basic, I suspect. Once I get a little experience I may revise it with some of the flip stops, hold-downs, grip surfaces, etc that I see in some of the YouTube videos.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Felder sells one made by RUWI for Hammer as well, but it is quite expensive, especially since a basic version can be made very cheap by oneselves.
https://www.felder-group.com/nl-nl/shop/klemming-en-zaagsysteem-sets-sc123879/klem-en-zaagsysteem-sp610918
On Mar 9, 2022 07:41, SirRey <sirrey@...> wrote: Newer to sliders and have a Hammer K3, guess I need to figure out my options are on Fritz Fran jigs.? Are all these homemade or are there manufacturers out there?
Thanks Ray
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
There are a lot of Taiwan sanders that are decent choices here.? Houfek also makes a lot of smaller sanders.? I don't know if they are Easter Euro , Taiwan, or China though.? The EMC sourced machine Felder used to sell might have been the pick of the litter
in small sized sanders.? I don't know if they still offer it.? Dave
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Thanks for saying that David. Couldn’t agree more!
Lucky
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Gasp! ?Seriously, $16K for THAT??? ? ?I think several of us are singing the same tune here. ?At $16K, that Felder WB is not competitive. ?Plus, given the horrible experience others have
had with the lower end larger Classic WB from Felder, why would anyone want to be the pioneer here? ??
The FW850 description posted makes reference to an " electro-pneumatic platen”?which
would make me want to run as fast as possible in the opposite direction. ?Pneumatic bladder-type platens require highly sophisticated sensors and electronics to control properly, otherwise they produce snipe and rounded-off edges and corners. ?Read
one users assessment of Felder’s larger “entry level” machine here which has that same type of platen: ? /g/felderownersgroup/message/84493??
I love my simple 17” open-side WB (), but if I had to have a 24” unit, there’s no way I would consider the Felder FW850 - instead
I would be looking at the Laguna (link below). ?It has the same platen setup as my WB which has proven to be reliable and does not round-off edges like a poorly controlled pneumatic bladder unit.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
You are correct in your observation Mark and I agree with you fully.?
I had a chance to put my hand on a proper Felder sander (model 1102?) and even that I was not impressed...?
I think the target market for this sander is hobbyist who had enough drama with their drum sander.?
Maybe wait for Mk2 in a couple of years time? pricing at $16k USD I think you are better off to pay a tad more and get yourself a better sander.?
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Re: I’m on the fence, about choosing a parallel fence.
I have the Felder version, seems to work good enough for my intermittent use, if i used it all the time i would probably want to go to the expense of DRO like Brian offers. I rarely if ever use the table on it’s own as it always seem to be in the way
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On Mar 9, 2022, at 8:25 AM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
? Hey Brett,
Wasn’t trying to imply these things aren’t worth it. ?Just inquiring on what accessories people are using is all.
Thx,
Wade On Mar 9, 2022, at 3:46 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? If you don't think Brian's parallel guides and mac's clamps are worth it, use your saw until you do. It took me something like 2 years to get to the light! On Wed, Mar 9, 2022, 1:15 AM Alex Bowlds < aabj@...> wrote: Hi Wade,
When I purchased my KF700SP in 2018, I looked at the Felder version of the parallel fence and determined it is too delicate for my taste.? I was afraid I would hit the tail of the guide or walk into it and damage it.? I have not checked it out since, so I don’t know if it has changed.? I elected to go with Brian’s digital parallel fence.? At the time it was a more robust option.? Put simply, it is a quality addition to the saw, along with Mac’s clamps.? I use the parallel fence in conjunction with the digital stops on my crosscut fence, then use Mac’s clamps to secure the stock to the slider before cutting.? Proper setup all but guarantees accuracy.
Good luck,
Alex ?Hey F.O.G.
I’m in need of a parallel fence to use with my K700S.? Unless you make your own, I see only two marketed ones to choose from, Felder’s version vs Lamb’s version.? I see pros/cons with both.? Please remember I’m a newbie and still learning what these machines are capable of.? Just reaching out, to you seasoned slider users, to see if I could ask what your preference was for a parallel fence choice.? And if there’s obvious things to consider when making this decision.? Thank You members!
Wade
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Re: I’m on the fence, about choosing a parallel fence.
Hey Brett,
Wasn’t trying to imply these things aren’t worth it. ?Just inquiring on what accessories people are using is all.
Thx,
Wade
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On Mar 9, 2022, at 3:46 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? If you don't think Brian's parallel guides and mac's clamps are worth it, use your saw until you do. It took me something like 2 years to get to the light! On Wed, Mar 9, 2022, 1:15 AM Alex Bowlds < aabj@...> wrote: Hi Wade,
When I purchased my KF700SP in 2018, I looked at the Felder version of the parallel fence and determined it is too delicate for my taste.? I was afraid I would hit the tail of the guide or walk into it and damage it.? I have not checked it out since, so I don’t know if it has changed.? I elected to go with Brian’s digital parallel fence.? At the time it was a more robust option.? Put simply, it is a quality addition to the saw, along with Mac’s clamps.? I use the parallel fence in conjunction with the digital stops on my crosscut fence, then use Mac’s clamps to secure the stock to the slider before cutting.? Proper setup all but guarantees accuracy.
Good luck,
Alex ?Hey F.O.G.
I’m in need of a parallel fence to use with my K700S.? Unless you make your own, I see only two marketed ones to choose from, Felder’s version vs Lamb’s version.? I see pros/cons with both.? Please remember I’m a newbie and still learning what these machines are capable of.? Just reaching out, to you seasoned slider users, to see if I could ask what your preference was for a parallel fence choice.? And if there’s obvious things to consider when making this decision.? Thank You members!
Wade
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
Well glad my suspicions on the air bladder on a low end machine were correct.?
The rounding over of the edges comment reminded me that it is an anti dubbing feature that you need in a sander with an air bladder.
A place I worked at after I closed my biz had a sander with bladders, fingers and all sorts of gizmos you could put a 50” wide panel with Mahogany veneer in the field and 2” solid Maple edge (as an example) slightly proud of the field and it would come out the other end perfect, i think that sander 500k plus
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On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:32 AM, David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
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Thanks for saying that David. Couldn’t agree more!
Lucky
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
Gasp! ?Seriously, $16K for THAT??? ? ?I think several of us are singing the same tune here. ?At $16K, that Felder WB is not competitive. ?Plus, given the horrible experience others have
had with the lower end larger Classic WB from Felder, why would anyone want to be the pioneer here? ??
The FW850 description posted makes reference to an " electro-pneumatic platen”?which
would make me want to run as fast as possible in the opposite direction. ?Pneumatic bladder-type platens require highly sophisticated sensors and electronics to control properly, otherwise they produce snipe and rounded-off edges and corners. ?Read
one users assessment of Felder’s larger “entry level” machine here which has that same type of platen: ? /g/felderownersgroup/message/84493??
I love my simple 17” open-side WB (), but if I had to have a 24” unit, there’s no way I would consider the Felder FW850 - instead
I would be looking at the Laguna (link below). ?It has the same platen setup as my WB which has proven to be reliable and does not round-off edges like a poorly controlled pneumatic bladder unit.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
You are correct in your observation Mark and I agree with you fully.?
I had a chance to put my hand on a proper Felder sander (model 1102?) and even that I was not impressed...?
I think the target market for this sander is hobbyist who had enough drama with their drum sander.?
Maybe wait for Mk2 in a couple of years time? pricing at $16k USD I think you are better off to pay a tad more and get yourself a better sander.?
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Re: I’m on the fence, about choosing a parallel fence.
If you don't think Brian's parallel guides and mac's clamps are worth it, use your saw until you do. It took me something like 2 years to get to the light!
On Wed, Mar 9, 2022, 1:15 AM Alex Bowlds < aabj@...> wrote: Hi Wade,
When I purchased my KF700SP in 2018, I looked at the Felder version of the parallel fence and determined it is too delicate for my taste.? I was afraid I would hit the tail of the guide or walk into it and damage it.? I have not checked it out since, so I don’t know if it has changed.? I elected to go with Brian’s digital parallel fence.? At the time it was a more robust option.? Put simply, it is a quality addition to the saw, along with Mac’s clamps.? I use the parallel fence in conjunction with the digital stops on my crosscut fence, then use Mac’s clamps to secure the stock to the slider before cutting.? Proper setup all but guarantees accuracy.
Good luck,
Alex ?Hey F.O.G.
I’m in need of a parallel fence to use with my K700S.? Unless you make your own, I see only two marketed ones to choose from, Felder’s version vs Lamb’s version.? I see pros/cons with both.? Please remember I’m a newbie and still learning what these machines are capable of.? Just reaching out, to you seasoned slider users, to see if I could ask what your preference was for a parallel fence choice.? And if there’s obvious things to consider when making this decision.? Thank You members!
Wade
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
Thanks for saying that David. Couldn’t agree more!
Lucky
Warm regards,
David
Dr David Luckensmeyer
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Gasp! ?Seriously, $16K for THAT??? ? ?I think several of us are singing the same tune here. ?At $16K, that Felder WB is not competitive. ?Plus, given the horrible experience others have
had with the lower end larger Classic WB from Felder, why would anyone want to be the pioneer here? ??
The FW850 description posted makes reference to an " electro-pneumatic platen”?which
would make me want to run as fast as possible in the opposite direction. ?Pneumatic bladder-type platens require highly sophisticated sensors and electronics to control properly, otherwise they produce snipe and rounded-off edges and corners. ?Read
one users assessment of Felder’s larger “entry level” machine here which has that same type of platen: ? /g/felderownersgroup/message/84493??
I love my simple 17” open-side WB (), but if I had to have a 24” unit, there’s no way I would consider the Felder FW850 - instead
I would be looking at the Laguna (link below). ?It has the same platen setup as my WB which has proven to be reliable and does not round-off edges like a poorly controlled pneumatic bladder unit.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
You are correct in your observation Mark and I agree with you fully.?
I had a chance to put my hand on a proper Felder sander (model 1102?) and even that I was not impressed...?
I think the target market for this sander is hobbyist who had enough drama with their drum sander.?
Maybe wait for Mk2 in a couple of years time? pricing at $16k USD I think you are better off to pay a tad more and get yourself a better sander.?
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Gasp! ?Seriously, $16K for THAT??? ? ?I think several of us are singing the same tune here. ?At $16K, that Felder WB is not competitive. ?Plus, given the horrible experience others have had with the lower end larger Classic WB from Felder, why would anyone want to be the pioneer here? ??
The FW850 description posted makes reference to an " electro-pneumatic platen”?which would make me want to run as fast as possible in the opposite direction. ?Pneumatic bladder-type platens require highly sophisticated sensors and electronics to control properly, otherwise they produce snipe and rounded-off edges and corners. ?Read one users assessment of Felder’s larger “entry level” machine here which has that same type of platen: ? /g/felderownersgroup/message/84493??
I love my simple 17” open-side WB (), but if I had to have a 24” unit, there’s no way I would consider the Felder FW850 - instead I would be looking at the Laguna (link below). ?It has the same platen setup as my WB which has proven to be reliable and does not round-off edges like a poorly controlled pneumatic bladder unit.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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You are correct in your observation Mark and I agree with you fully.?
I had a chance to put my hand on a proper Felder sander (model 1102?) and even that I was not impressed...?
I think the target market for this sander is hobbyist who had enough drama with their drum sander.?
Maybe wait for Mk2 in a couple of years time? pricing at $16k USD I think you are better off to pay a tad more and get yourself a better sander.?
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That is a melamine top on the table
Tuesday,
March 8, 2022 7:46 AM Having
just completed my own duct work, I’ll second the saw envy. I used a
cut-off saw which was more time consuming than a grinder because the
pipe wouldn’t fit under the blade, but I think I could keep my cuts a
little more square.
Bob, is that melamine on the saw’s outrigger
your own build? That looks pretty nice.
Thanks for the shop
pictures.
Bird Cupps
Running Chicken Farm
Mount Horeb, WI
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Re: I’m on the fence, about choosing a parallel fence.
Hi Wade,
When I purchased my KF700SP in 2018, I looked at the Felder version of the parallel fence and determined it is too delicate for my taste. ?I was afraid I would hit the tail of the guide or walk into it and damage it. ?I have not checked it out since, so I don’t know if it has changed. ?I elected to go with Brian’s digital parallel fence. ?At the time it was a more robust option. ?Put simply, it is a quality addition to the saw, along with Mac’s clamps. ?I use the parallel fence in conjunction with the digital stops on my crosscut fence, then use Mac’s clamps to secure the stock to the slider before cutting. ?Proper setup all but guarantees accuracy.
Good luck,
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On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Wade Dees <wjdsignature@...> wrote:
?Hey F.O.G.
I’m in need of a parallel fence to use with my K700S. ?Unless you make your own, I see only two marketed ones to choose from, Felder’s version vs Lamb’s version. ?I see pros/cons with both. ?Please remember I’m a newbie and still learning what these machines are capable of. ?Just reaching out, to you seasoned slider users, to see if I could ask what your preference was for a parallel fence choice. ?And if there’s obvious things to consider when making this decision. ?Thank You members!
Wade
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Newer to sliders and have a Hammer K3, guess I need to figure out my options are on Fritz Fran jigs.? Are all these homemade or are there manufacturers out there?
Thanks Ray
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
You are correct in your observation Mark and I agree with you fully.?
I had a chance to put my hand on a proper Felder sander (model 1102?) and even that I was not impressed...?
I think the target market for this sander is hobbyist who had enough drama with their drum sander.?
Maybe wait for Mk2 in a couple of years time? pricing at $16k USD I think you are better off to pay a tad more and get yourself a better sander.?
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Re: Eagerly awaiting info on the new Felder FW 850...
Whoa...? Did not expect that pricing..??
I assume the Felder is a 48" belt.
These are all 60" belts
Cantek 25" $12k 10hp nicer DRO
Safety speed 37" $14k 10hp sp or 15hp 3ph nice DRO
Laguna 37" $15k 10hp sp DRO option
What am I missing
PK
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Re: I’m on the fence, about choosing a parallel fence.
Cliff,
Are you talking about??
This discussion is about parallel fence and I don’t see one on this site.
Imran
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On Mar 8, 2022, at 11:01 PM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. via groups.io <rohrabacher@...> wrote: ?
?Check out Very Cool Tools
I have one I made very much like the Very Cool Tools version. Ya
need a? welder and ability to cut steel to make it.? I like it? I
like it a lot.
On 3/8/22 7:18 PM, Wade Dees wrote:
Hey F.O.G.
I’m in need of a parallel fence to use with my K700S. ?Unless you
make your own, I see only two marketed ones to choose from,
Felder’s version vs Lamb’s version. ?I see pros/cons with both.
?Please remember I’m a newbie and still learning what these
machines are capable of. ?Just reaching out, to you seasoned
slider users, to see if I could ask what your preference was for a
parallel fence choice. ?And if there’s obvious things to consider
when making this decision. ?Thank You members!
Wade
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Re: I’m on the fence, about choosing a parallel fence.
?Check out Very Cool Tools
I have one I made very much like the Very Cool Tools version. Ya
need a? welder and ability to cut steel to make it.? I like it? I
like it a lot.
On 3/8/22 7:18 PM, Wade Dees wrote:
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Hey F.O.G.
I’m in need of a parallel fence to use with my K700S. ?Unless you
make your own, I see only two marketed ones to choose from,
Felder’s version vs Lamb’s version. ?I see pros/cons with both.
?Please remember I’m a newbie and still learning what these
machines are capable of. ?Just reaching out, to you seasoned
slider users, to see if I could ask what your preference was for a
parallel fence choice. ?And if there’s obvious things to consider
when making this decision. ?Thank You members!
Wade
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Tom Gensmer
Jonathan Martens
David Luckensmeyer
David P. Best
Albert Lee
PK
imran