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Re: Options for sheet good support on K700s

 

Hi Bryce,
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Many, many thanks for recording and uploading the YouTube video. It was very informative.
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My wife was in shock when I said, "Bryce is talking about me..." She wants to know if you can record a video on shoemaking and/or oil painting. :)
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Best Regards,
Rob P.


Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets

 

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?Hi Michael,

I only have book knowledge as I have never used a 4-wire Delta system. The 3 phases on this system are no different as far as one would wire them or swap two phases to change direction of the motor rotation. So if you don¡¯t use neutral there is no difference.


Another way to look at it is that the neutral is center tap on one of the 3 windings and it is no different than single phase household electricity in USA. You get 240VAC between phases and 120 VAC between neutral and a phase.

The uniqueness of this system is the voltage between the 3rd phase, phase B in the above diagram (which is independent of the 2 other phases with center tapped), and neutral. This voltage is 208 VAC.

The high leg (phase B) is to be marked/identified. I am not sure if this is helpful in any ways.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 24, 2025, at 4:19?AM, Michael Wolf via groups.io <missingeggacct@...> wrote:

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[Edited Message Follows]

Resuscitating an old thread: I could understand wye 3-phase equipment requiring a neutral, as that produces a nice symmetrical arrangement and also (as I naively understand it) provides easy handling of unbalanced loads, with the excess "flowing" back through the neutral.? But I'd think that delta 3-phase with a neutral is asking for trouble, because (again as I naively understand it) the neutral is at the center point between two legs, and so you get (for a 240V delta) 120V between the two adjacent legs and the neutral, and 208V between the third leg and the neutral.? Seems like an easy opportunity to screw up which two legs the neutral is between, and fry something that's voltage sensitive.? It seems like stories about 3-phase delta equipment needing the legs swapped around after initial wiring are extremely common, which leads me to think it would be extremely common to wire in a misplaced neutral on a 4-wire delta system.
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-Michael Wolf
Tahoe City, CA


Re: DRO on a shaper fence?

 

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Thanks Jonathan. Can you share some pics when you get a chance.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 24, 2025, at 3:21?AM, jontathan samways via groups.io <jonathansamways@...> wrote:

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Imran, I can confirm another 700 series fence with that annoying?small amount of slop.
Spent many hours thinking how to introduce?a fixed DRO successfully?and haven't?come up with a fixed solution.
My solution for now is a portable DRO fixed to a block/board, then referencing of the cast iron bed, repeatability is good.


On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 at 01:38, imran via <imranwoodshop=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Bryce. Good to know. Would be nice to not have to check square every time when using xcut fence for cross profiling.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 8:13?PM, Bryce Comer via <bryce=[email protected]> wrote:

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That's great Imran,
I did check my shaper hood at work today, and there is also some play in mine, so at least you needn't feel like you're the only one! :)?
Sounds like you're sorting it out though.?
Regards,
Bryce
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Re: Felder AD941 vs SCM Fs41ES

 

I did quite a bit of reading a while back, and ended up concluding that the FS41ES was the machine to get.? It seemed like the general opinion was that it was a better engineering combo machine.? Up here at Lake Tahoe, the high altitude forces one to de-rate the performance of a dust collection system.? I was leaning towards the FS41ES anyway, but the deciding factor was the dust collection not needing to trade sides allows for a shorter length of flex hose, and thus a lower static pressure in the duct work.? Unfortunately, I've never owned one of the Felder jointer/planer combos, so I cannot directly compare from personal experience.
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-Michael Wolf
Tahoe City, CA


Re: 3 phase power plugs/outlets

 
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Resuscitating an old thread: I could understand wye 3-phase equipment requiring a neutral, as that produces a nice symmetrical arrangement and also (as I naively understand it) provides easy handling of unbalanced loads, with the excess "flowing" back through the neutral.? But I'd think that delta 3-phase with a neutral is asking for trouble, because (again as I naively understand it) the neutral is at the center point between two legs, and so you get (for a 240V delta) 120V between the two adjacent legs and the neutral, and 208V between the third leg and the neutral.? Seems like an easy opportunity to screw up which two legs the neutral is between, and fry something that's voltage sensitive.? It seems like stories about 3-phase delta equipment needing the legs swapped around after initial wiring are extremely common, which leads me to think it would be extremely common to wire in a misplaced neutral on a 4-wire delta system.
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-Michael Wolf
Tahoe City, CA


Re: Felder AD941 vs SCM Fs41ES

 

Yes¡­true, but there are also features of the SCM that are better than the Felder such as:
1.) no need to flip dust shoot from Right hand to Left hand with the SCM.
2.) no need to lower the planer table more than 2 inches to shift from planer back to jointer mode thus potentially saving time and wear and tear on motor and electronics.
3.) table design is a simpler parallelogram and while I¡¯ve not had to adjust the tables, Im told it is a much simpler process if the need arrises.

As far as the 16¡±¡­I keep my jointer in front of a 25¡± drum sander that I don¡¯t use a lot and the bar sits in between the sander and another cabinet. If I have to use the sander I just pull the fence forward and insert the mobility lever in the J/P, and pull it out of the way and pull ?the sander forward. It works out fine.

Hope this helps!

Kind regards,

Brian D. Milidrag
5300?John R Rd, Troy, MI 48085
Cell?248.765.8411


On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 1:24?AM JDhm via <Jdanohm=[email protected]> wrote:
I'm leaning toward the Fs41ES for a couple reasons:
A. Cheaper
B. Can be picked up locally in LA.
C. Both machines are probably going to be. overkill for my use, but I like the power height adjustable and ease of change over relative to the cheaper machines.
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My main problem with the Scm vs the Felder is the fence cylinder in the back that requires to have the machine to sit 16" from the wall- can someone please verify that vs the felder?
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And of course any input would be appreciated!
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Thanks?


Re: DRO on a shaper fence?

 

Imran, I can confirm another 700 series fence with that annoying?small amount of slop.
Spent many hours thinking how to introduce?a fixed DRO successfully?and haven't?come up with a fixed solution.
My solution for now is a portable DRO fixed to a block/board, then referencing of the cast iron bed, repeatability is good.


On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 at 01:38, imran via <imranwoodshop=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Bryce. Good to know. Would be nice to not have to check square every time when using xcut fence for cross profiling.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 8:13?PM, Bryce Comer via <bryce=[email protected]> wrote:

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That's great Imran,
I did check my shaper hood at work today, and there is also some play in mine, so at least you needn't feel like you're the only one! :)?
Sounds like you're sorting it out though.?
Regards,
Bryce
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Kindest Regards

Jonathan Samways

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Felder AD941 vs SCM Fs41ES

 
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I'm leaning toward the Fs41ES for a couple reasons:
A. Cheaper
B. Can be picked up locally in LA.
C. Both machines are probably going to be. overkill for my use, but I like the power height adjustment and ease of change over relative to the cheaper machines.
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My main problem with the Scm vs the Felder is the fence cylinder in the back that requires to have the machine sit 16" from the wall- can someone please verify that vs the felder?
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And of course any input would be appreciated!
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Thanks?


Re: How to connect a 400-800 Morticing unit to a Felder BF6-31

 

Thank you to Jonathan for the kind offer, I'll message you privately to organise. Thank you also to Brian and to Craig for all your help!
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Davide


Re: DRO on a shaper fence?

 

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Thanks Bryce. Good to know. Would be nice to not have to check square every time when using xcut fence for cross profiling.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 8:13?PM, Bryce Comer via groups.io <bryce@...> wrote:

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That's great Imran,
I did check my shaper hood at work today, and there is also some play in mine, so at least you needn't feel like you're the only one! :)?
Sounds like you're sorting it out though.?
Regards,
Bryce
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw


Re: DRO on a shaper fence?

 

That's great Imran,
I did check my shaper hood at work today, and there is also some play in mine, so at least you needn't feel like you're the only one! :)?
Sounds like you're sorting it out though.?
Regards,
Bryce
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https://www.brycecomerwoodworks.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHdrRaAZd_pOa7wwbdNPUEw


Re: DRO on a shaper fence?

 

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Since I only remove the shaper hood when putting on the bowmouldmaster and in future maybe ?a tenoning hood I thought I check if shim-ing the micro adjust pin holes would help.

I greatly reduced the play by just placing a plasticized paper clipping on the opposite sides of each hole. I can certainly refine this with UHMW tape or something else more durable.

Thinking ¡­..

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 2:07?PM, Imran Malik <imranwoodshop@...> wrote:

?Hi David,

You are correct. As mentioned,?

I always check squareness, using Lamb Tool¡¯s big triangle, if using the xcut fence.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 1:46?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:

?Imran, you only need to square the shaper fence to the crosscut fence if you are clamping material down to the sliding table during the cutting operation - like for cope/stick profiling. ?If you are moving the material through the shaper with the power feeder or by hand, and keeping the material against the shaper fence plates, it does not matter if the shaper fence is square to the crosscut fence. ?Unfortunately, the ¡°wiggling¡± registration at the micro-adjust means this particular shaper hood is not ideal for a DRO conversion. ?This sloppiness of the hood mounting was one of the reasons I upgraded to the Profil 45Z with a shaper hood that has enough rigidity to stay aligned when it¡¯s repositioned, and it has an integral electronic DRO on the infeed side and a mechanical DRO on the outfeed fence plate side.

David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best



On Mar 23, 2025, at 10:11?AM, imran via groups.io <imranwoodshop@...> wrote:

Hi David,

Yes the micro-adjust is tightened and so are the fence plates. The hood is machined perfectly, allowing no perceptible movement. Thanks to this discussion, I measured the play in the micro-adjust and it is ~0.005¡± (video attached). This multiplies over 26 inches, the way I have the fence plates right now, for a router bit. This will get worse with a larger shaper cutter.

This has been my concern over the utility of adding a DRO. Because of this, I always check squareness, using Lamb Tool¡¯s big triangle, if using the xcut fence.



Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 12:01?PM, David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...> wrote:

?Imran, some amount of sloppy hood registration as shown in your video is normal for that Shaper Fence 230. The alignment plate that registers the fence to the cast iron top has two pins that mate with holes in the top (p 117 is Survival Guide), and that interface is non-precision and has play in it. ?The mounting plate to hood connection is also non-precision. ?Have you checked to ensure the mounting plate to shaper hood attachment is solid and that the micro-adjust is locked and secured with the Kipp lever? ? Adding a DRO to the shaper hood is not going to improve repeatability and eliminate the need to take test cuts unless the sloppiness of the mounting platform is resolved as part of the DRO mechanical structure. ?

David Best - via mobile phone?

On Mar 23, 2025, at 8:24?AM, imran via groups.io <imranwoodshop@...> wrote:

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Hi Brett and Bryce,

The play I am talking about is in the hood. As I mentioned, it would not show on the microadjust or on the DRO placed therein but it could affect the cut. I am not concerned about removing and replacing the hood either.

As stated earlier, I push the hood back before securing the hood but since it has this play (video attached) I am not sure if it goes back to the exact same spot every time I secure the hood. Obviously, one has to loosen the hood to make any adjustment to the fence.

Maybe it will irritate me that DRO has not improved the overall situation much. I will still be relying on the test cuts as before. What I really I like to know if this play is normal.



Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 1:30?AM, Bryce Comer via groups.io <bryce@...> wrote:

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I haven't noticed an issue like you have described Imran. As Brett said, always good to go slightly past, then come back to the measurement you're after. I guess there could be some creep when tightening down the hood, but it should show on the DRO if that was the case, and i haven't yet seen that on mine.
Regards,

Bryce
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Re: Thoughts on Automatic Dovetailers?

 

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I feel pretty frugal about buying cheap watches ( as car #7 comes tomorrow ).? Guys don't shop often, but when we do it's impressive.

Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David P. Best via groups.io <dbestworkshop@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 1:59 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Thoughts on Automatic Dovetailers?
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Paul,

I hope you take my comments in jest - not bitching at all. ?As I said before, I admire your ability to find quality used equipment and your success in buying/selling machines. ?I hate all the packing/transportation hassles, but more power to you. ?I do wonder about your shop space for all the single-purpose machines, but do what you do and enjoy it. ?I too have been down the path of 911 for Sunday, and collect watches I never wear, so we each have our foibles. ?I admire what you¡¯re doing. ?No question.

So serious question - can I send you an.order for some drawer boxes?

David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpbest/collections/
https://www.youtube.com/@David_Best



On Mar 23, 2025, at 11:10?AM, PK via groups.io <pk@...> wrote:

David,
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People I know like to bitch about my shop and what I buy but then the next conversation is about the watch they just bought but never wear, or the Porsche 911, for Sundays only, because if you put miles on it the resale goes down in the US or the Vette ZR1 the are considering for $140k.
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This is my vice, and someday when my day job goes away, this will be my fun job for Clients I want to work for, even if that is just my family!
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And my boys know just enough to sell it off properly when I am gone.
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PK


 

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Did not think of it but the 45 degrees has a similar stop. See pics.

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This also accessible from the blade area:

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Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 5:34?PM, Imran Malik <imranwoodshop@...> wrote:

?Hi Vlad,

I assume you machine is same as mine. The pic below show the stop for 0 degrees. You may need to adjust this or look for saw dust accumulation preventing saw aggregate from traveling fully to the stop.
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Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 5:02?PM, vladscservice via groups.io <vladscservice@...> wrote:

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yes, I received the full package, thank you very much, I will have another question about the angle of inclination, for some reason it is very difficult to reach zero, and this does not always happen, and not the first time


 

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Hi Vlad,

I assume you machine is same as mine. The pic below show the stop for 0 degrees. You may need to adjust this or look for saw dust accumulation preventing saw aggregate from traveling fully to the stop.image0.jpegimage1.jpeg

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 5:02?PM, vladscservice via groups.io <vladscservice@...> wrote:

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yes, I received the full package, thank you very much, I will have another question about the angle of inclination, for some reason it is very difficult to reach zero, and this does not always happen, and not the first time


Re: RL160 filter change

 

David,
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I¡¯ve been awhile getting back to this. I finally have an opportunity to work on my dust collection system again, so here are a few answers to your questions, as well as a few new followup questions.
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You wanted to know about the filters that I bought & what gasket material I used when installing g the new filters:
I did buy the more expensive filters ($$$$), and they do seem to work well. I am getting better air suction from my RL160 now than even when it was new.
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The gasket material that I bought was from McMaster, per your recommendation. The stuff I bought was edpm foam, 3/4¡± wide x 1/2¡± thick. In my RL160, which appears to be a bit weird compared to what everyone else has seen, this gasket worked great - but - it was a real pain to install. I probably could have used a slightly thinner material, as it was a really tight fit. The 25¡¯ roll was just about right - I had 2-3 ft leftover when I was done.
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Now I have a few questions about your design docs for the automatic sweeper.
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I have studied the 2 docs that you published, and noticed that there are differences between some of the parts listed on the design doc vs the actual order that you placed.
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1 - Most of the differences are in the connectors specified. I am guessing that you switched from 5/32¡± hose to 1/8¡± hose, which resulted in a bunch of the connectors being changed accordingly??
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2 - The first item listed on your purchase order, though, ?(¡°FTG Flow Control Valve¡±) has me confused. I¡¯m not sure what these things do (2 are specified), but it appears from your design doc that they serve to connect the 1/8¡± hose to the cylinder - except these particular parts are listed as 1/4¡± on both ends?
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3 - Since your docs are 10 years old (!) it¡¯s not a surprise that some of the parts are no longer available, but in those cases (the regulator & toggle valve in particular), they recommend substitutions which look close enough to work.

4 - FYI - After 10 years (again no surprise) the prices on everything has gone up¡­ your invoice shows a total of $148, today¡¯s price: $250.
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Automation Direct has 3D CAD models for most of these parts, so I am building a Fusion 360 design of the sweeper as I plan to build it. I am having to make minor mods to accommodate the way I am mounting the control system in my shop.
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Thanks once again for all of your help & advice.
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Best regards,
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Gerry Kmack
Kmack Studios
Pagosa Springs, CO
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yes, I received the full package, thank you very much, I will have another question about the angle of inclination, for some reason it is very difficult to reach zero, and this does not always happen, and not the first time


 

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Vlad,

You are welcome.

BTW, have you checked the pouch attached to the inside of the electrical cabinet cover?

The copy I have on hand was scanned at high resolution, therefore I sent only one sheet. Here you can download the entire schematic.


Feel free to join my FB group below. There is quite a bit of information in the files section there as well.

Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 4:12?PM, vladscservice via groups.io <vladscservice@...> wrote:

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thank you very much, I am so grateful to you, for me my saw is the heart of the workshop


 

thank you very much, I am so grateful to you, for me my saw is the heart of the workshop


 

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Hi Vlad,

Here is the schematic page for requested.

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Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations

On Mar 23, 2025, at 3:49?PM, vladscservice via groups.io <vladscservice@...> wrote:

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I received your message. But this manual is just for one button, but I need the manual for an angle and an up/down switch if you could send that to me.?