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From: felder-woodworking@...
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allenphilip@...
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:13 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: The Felder Nightmare : or why to not buy a
Felder


Yep, I'd say your US support is good.One of your Felder guys, Ruan Du Toit,
e-mailed me to ask if he could do anything from over there. It's not his
responsibility and he's 6000 miles away. I'd say that classifies as above
and beyond the call of duty.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@...> wrote:

Phillip,

That is what I am saying, Felder US support is very good.

Joe in New Orleans


On May 17, 2012, at 10:52 AM, allenphilip@... wrote:

Nobody even mentioned the possibility of an eletronics upgrade to me I

would have seriously considered it.

Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Allen,

You will be happy to know that Felder now prints manuals for their

machines as they come off the production line. So each machine has
individualized documentation. So they have addressed some of the issues you
are facing in the ten years since you bought your machine.

I was part of a group of window and door manufacturers that toured the

Felder factory in Austria in March. The factory was impressive and Felder
has invested substantially to be able to produce quality machines into the
future. When I returned from the trip I bought another Felder machine, an
RL200 dust extractor. The bang for the buck I get from Felder is very good.
You have more options for equipment in Europe than we have in the US. There
are many high end european brands that are unavailable here or in limited
supply here thus there is also limited support. Hofmann machines look very
good but are unavailable here. Felder has been steadily improving customer
support since I bought my first Felder machine in 2005. When Mark at Felder
helped me replace the electronics in 2009 over the phone and when Ruan
pulled an idler wheel off a jointer planer and sent it to me overnight any
hesitation to buy another Felder machine because of support issues went
away.

One of the reasons that I upgraded the electronics in my year 2000

CF731 is that Felder has gone to modular electronics instead of printed
circuit boards which makes repair much easier with parts available off the
shelf. This goes a long way in enhancing reliability ease of repair.

I hope you get your machine running soon.

Joe in New Orleans

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--- In felder-woodworking@..., mac512002@... wrote:

12 years old probably bearings. You will have to remove the belt and shroud and the whole assembly comes out as one. Than it is bench work not sure you will need a puller to take assembly out you could push it out from back side with a clamp. .mac,,
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 23:41:23
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Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: Saw arbour removal BF631

Yes everything was locked down tight. I also put a long screwdriver against the bearing and put my ear against it. It makes a grinding/scratching sound. I have the felder survival guide and went through everything on there. I am pretty sure its a arbor bearing issue.

--- In felder-woodworking@..., mac512002@ wrote:

Are you checking this with the saw assembly clamps tight or better question are you using the clamps?
mac
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 23:12:32
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Subject: [felder-woodworking] Saw arbour removal BF631

I have a felder BF631. I am having a problem with the sliding table saw, it leaves a very rough finish. I placed a dial indicator on the arbor and measured run out of 0.003. I know this is out of spec and I was wondering if there is a special procedure to remove the spindle. In the manual it looks like you just remove the two screws and washers on the saw side of the trunnion. I have a 3 jaw bearing puller that I think will work but before I break anything I wanted to see what you guys think.

Thanks,
Panos




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-----Original Message-----
From: "oliverkona" <oliverkona@...>
Sender: felder-woodworking@...
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 23:41:23
To: <felder-woodworking@...>
Reply-To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: Saw arbour removal BF631

Yes everything was locked down tight. I also put a long screwdriver against the bearing and put my ear against it. It makes a grinding/scratching sound. I have the felder survival guide and went through everything on there. I am pretty sure its a arbor bearing issue.

--- In felder-woodworking@..., mac512002@... wrote:

Are you checking this with the saw assembly clamps tight or better question are you using the clamps?
mac
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-----Original Message-----
From: "oliverkona" <oliverkona@...>
Sender: felder-woodworking@...
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 23:12:32
To: <felder-woodworking@...>
Reply-To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Saw arbour removal BF631

I have a felder BF631. I am having a problem with the sliding table saw, it leaves a very rough finish. I placed a dial indicator on the arbor and measured run out of 0.003. I know this is out of spec and I was wondering if there is a special procedure to remove the spindle. In the manual it looks like you just remove the two screws and washers on the saw side of the trunnion. I have a 3 jaw bearing puller that I think will work but before I break anything I wanted to see what you guys think.

Thanks,
Panos

--- In felder-woodworking@..., mac512002@... wrote:

Are you checking this with the saw assembly clamps tight or better question are you using the clamps?
mac
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-----Original Message-----
From: "oliverkona" <oliverkona@...>
Sender: felder-woodworking@...
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 23:12:32
To: <felder-woodworking@...>
Reply-To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Saw arbour removal BF631

I have a felder BF631. I am having a problem with the sliding table saw, it leaves a very rough finish. I placed a dial indicator on the arbor and measured run out of 0.003. I know this is out of spec and I was wondering if there is a special procedure to remove the spindle. In the manual it looks like you just remove the two screws and washers on the saw side of the trunnion. I have a 3 jaw bearing puller that I think will work but before I break anything I wanted to see what you guys think.

Thanks,
Panos




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-----Original Message-----
From: "oliverkona" <oliverkona@...>
Sender: felder-woodworking@...
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 23:12:32
To: <felder-woodworking@...>
Reply-To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Saw arbour removal BF631

I have a felder BF631. I am having a problem with the sliding table saw, it leaves a very rough finish. I placed a dial indicator on the arbor and measured run out of 0.003. I know this is out of spec and I was wondering if there is a special procedure to remove the spindle. In the manual it looks like you just remove the two screws and washers on the saw side of the trunnion. I have a 3 jaw bearing puller that I think will work but before I break anything I wanted to see what you guys think.

Thanks,
Panos

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "allenphilip@..." <allenphilip@...> wrote:

Yep, I'd say your US support is good.One of your Felder guys, Ruan Du Toit, e-mailed me to ask if he could do anything from over there. It's not his responsibility and he's 6000 miles away. I'd say that classifies as above and beyond the call of duty.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Phillip,

That is what I am saying, Felder US support is very good.

Joe in New Orleans


On May 17, 2012, at 10:52 AM, allenphilip@ wrote:

Nobody even mentioned the possibility of an eletronics upgrade to me I would have seriously considered it.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Allen,

You will be happy to know that Felder now prints manuals for their machines as they come off the production line. So each machine has individualized documentation. So they have addressed some of the issues you are facing in the ten years since you bought your machine.

I was part of a group of window and door manufacturers that toured the Felder factory in Austria in March. The factory was impressive and Felder has invested substantially to be able to produce quality machines into the future. When I returned from the trip I bought another Felder machine, an RL200 dust extractor. The bang for the buck I get from Felder is very good. You have more options for equipment in Europe than we have in the US. There are many high end european brands that are unavailable here or in limited supply here thus there is also limited support. Hofmann machines look very good but are unavailable here. Felder has been steadily improving customer support since I bought my first Felder machine in 2005. When Mark at Felder helped me replace the electronics in 2009 over the phone and when Ruan pulled an idler wheel off a jointer planer and sent it to me overnight any hesitation to buy another Felder machine because of support issues went away.

One of the reasons that I upgraded the electronics in my year 2000 CF731 is that Felder has gone to modular electronics instead of printed circuit boards which makes repair much easier with parts available off the shelf. This goes a long way in enhancing reliability ease of repair.

I hope you get your machine running soon.

Joe in New Orleans

--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@...> wrote:

Phillip,

That is what I am saying, Felder US support is very good.

Joe in New Orleans


On May 17, 2012, at 10:52 AM, allenphilip@... wrote:

Nobody even mentioned the possibility of an eletronics upgrade to me I would have seriously considered it.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Allen,

You will be happy to know that Felder now prints manuals for their machines as they come off the production line. So each machine has individualized documentation. So they have addressed some of the issues you are facing in the ten years since you bought your machine.

I was part of a group of window and door manufacturers that toured the Felder factory in Austria in March. The factory was impressive and Felder has invested substantially to be able to produce quality machines into the future. When I returned from the trip I bought another Felder machine, an RL200 dust extractor. The bang for the buck I get from Felder is very good. You have more options for equipment in Europe than we have in the US. There are many high end european brands that are unavailable here or in limited supply here thus there is also limited support. Hofmann machines look very good but are unavailable here. Felder has been steadily improving customer support since I bought my first Felder machine in 2005. When Mark at Felder helped me replace the electronics in 2009 over the phone and when Ruan pulled an idler wheel off a jointer planer and sent it to me overnight any hesitation to buy another Felder machine because of support issues went away.

One of the reasons that I upgraded the electronics in my year 2000 CF731 is that Felder has gone to modular electronics instead of printed circuit boards which makes repair much easier with parts available off the shelf. This goes a long way in enhancing reliability ease of repair.

I hope you get your machine running soon.

Joe in New Orleans

--- In felder-woodworking@..., Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:

Sending back to the group and privately to you, so you have my email address, which is blamb11 at cox dot net, that should keep yahoo from hiding it.

Wires to 1, 3, 4, 5, 10 and 11 are jumpered? and then 13? Is this the original wiring scheme to the original VFD? Or what somebody "thinks" is right for the new VFD? We would need the manual for the old VFD to see what those pins were.....

How they are setting the frequencies for three separate motors, I don't have a clue, as the VFD you have now, and most likely the one prior don't have the ability to have settings like that for different motors. I would ignore that and set min at 25hz and max at 65hz. Plus or minus a little bit isn't going to hurt anything.

Now, what size motors do you have in this thing? Because the VFD you specified is a 2.2kw unit... like barely squeaking out 3hp. I didn't think after my VFD fiasco with Felder in 2001 that any of those machines still existed.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 18, 2012, at 8:05 AM, allenphilip@... wrote:

I was trying to attach an e-mail from felder to here , didn't work. if you drop me an e-mail so I can get your full address I can just foward it to you.
Anyway I have wires going in on pins 1 3 4 5 10-11(wired together) 13
On the other part the U V W and thats it.

The minium and max. frequencies I have different for each motor 25-61 hz for the planer 32-63hz saw 19-64hz shaper. These are factory settings.

Yes I even have doubts as to if the felder tech wired the machine correctly.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Brian Lamb <blamb11@> wrote:

Never saw any other email.... this is a bit hard as I have no idea what wires were hooked up where previously... that all comes into play with the hooking up of the low voltage start/stop circuits and the external pot for the variable speed. I assume you can figure that out.... but I am guessing that you will need connections at the terminal strip something like this:

Pin 1: + voltage from the speed pot
Pin 7: +10V out to the speed pot
Pin 14: Forward rotation
Pin 20: 24V out, I assume this is where the low voltage start/stop buttons get power, Felder might have a separate transformer
Pin 24 or 25: this will be most likely the start circuit, I can't remember if the start switch is NO or NC, attach accordingly once you check, but I think it's the opposite of the stop, so NO and pin 24
Pin 27 or 28: this will most likely be the stop circuit, which I think is NC, so pin 28


Per the manual I was able to find about the programming of the drive, it appears you need to set the parameters below (read the manual on how to access and change the parameters, best to read the manual several times, even if you don't get it at first, it will start to make sense):

CP.10: Minimum Frequency, I don't know what factory settings are, but 25hz will give you half speed.
CP.11: Maximum Frequency, try 65hz, that's 130% speed. probably safe at 75hz, which would be 150% speed, but things get whiney at that speed.
CP.12: Acceleration time, I'd do 3 seconds or so
CP.13 Deceleration time, again, 3 seconds
CP.15 Rated Frequency, you said 50hz

That should be enough to get it running... there are a lot of settings that can get tweaked for custom features, but none of that is important to get you running. Now... I am NOT an electrician, give me a screwdriver and hot wires and they call me Sparky, so take this for what it is worth. I have hooked up a half dozen AC drives (VFD's) to numerous machines, but honestly, they have been other brands, TECO and I can't remember one of the others, AC Tech maybe... Any way, they are all pretty much the same in method, just vary in pin numbers and parameters a bit.



Brian Lamb
blamb11@
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 17, 2012, at 8:42 AM, allenphilip@ wrote:

If you can manage it ,it will save me alot of trouble: the machine ruins on single fase 220v - 230v 50hz . The inverter is a KEB combivert 10F5C1B-2A0A
I will also try to foward you one of the e-mail they sent me that they tell me is a parameter list . See if you can make anything out of it.I'm an architect so I know basic wiring,but this stuff is way over my head.
And yes I'm also of the opinion that someone is making this much more complicated than it should be.
Philip

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-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of
allenphilip@...
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:52 AM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: The Felder Nightmare : or why to not buy a
Felder


No sorry but I don't Paul Cresti
I didn't look too much here in april because then it seemed that this was
something really simple.The tech came out and checked and said "this needs
to be changed".The way I figured it was if the whole thing is set up to take
a KEB inverter you take out the old one put in a new one and it's up and
running. It still sounds like the simplest and easiest thing. In the middle
of the mess one of the techs on the phone from hall told me "Ah you already
got the parts , fine we will send someone to install them." Just to make
sure I even called up Joachim Scheiber in Bressanone to confirm exactly what
was to be done (including the type of inverter and explaining the wiring
problems) and to make sure the tech who came was able to do it....And at
this point I was already out in the middle of a field of big dominos
falling over.
It's sort of one of those live and learn things where afterward you just
say "O.K. next time this happens I'll Know what to do. "

The only time it got a bit unfriendly was when the estimate for
changing the inverter came in from Felder at $2413.75 (KEB inverter included
). I've still got that e-mail if you would like to see it.


As to the member ship It probably was under another user name I still got
the e-mails at my Italian e-mail address if you can search to find that
common link at least you can eliminate the double. Besides there can't be
too many people in Italy that joined.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., "John Renzetti" <jrenzetti1@...>
wrote:

Haven't had a chance to chime in here since a lot going on Anyway, I
have an inquiry with a couple of friends in upper management at Felder

Austria to

see what occurred. In retrospect when you rejoined the FOG back in

April,

if you had made some inquiries here or done a search of messages
relating to that KEB inverter and how Felder actually changed them out
and put in Lentz converters, you might have found a solution and got
back up and running. I think they only used that KEB in the machines
for about a year. You said you were a member a long time ago and would
read the messages. I've done a search and can't find you. When someone
joins they remain on the member list unless they unsubscribe. Perhaps
you have an entirely different user name.
And I just saw Brian's email with some info on your inverter. There's
some smart guys on the FOG, plus if things weren't working out with
Felder in Italy, I have a couple of factory contacts that would have
been able to set things back on track.
I just thought of something, you are an architect and have an Italian
connection. Do you know Paul Cresti?

-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of
allenphilip@...
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:13 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: The Felder Nightmare : or why to not
buy a Felder


Intentions seemed good form my point of view as well . It was
results that lacked.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., "ondablade" <imaybury@> wrote:

I wouldn't want to make a big deal of it, but I have to say that
listening

to the dialogue on FOG from this side of the pond it sounds like
support levels are rather higher in the US than over here.

Just guessing, but it seems likely too that there may be some
variability

here between markets and regions.

That said my contacts with the factory have been pretty satisfactory
-

there seems to be a definite intention to do the right thing.

ian

--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Phillip,

That is what I am saying, Felder US support is very good.

Joe in New Orleans


On May 17, 2012, at 10:52 AM, allenphilip@ wrote:

Nobody even mentioned the possibility of an eletronics upgrade
to me I

would have seriously considered it.

Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Allen,

You will be happy to know that Felder now prints manuals for
their

machines as they come off the production line. So each machine has
individualized documentation. So they have addressed some of the
issues you are facing in the ten years since you bought your machine.

I was part of a group of window and door manufacturers that
toured

the Felder factory in Austria in March. The factory was impressive and
Felder has invested substantially to be able to produce quality
machines into the future. When I returned from the trip I bought
another Felder machine, an RL200 dust extractor. The bang for the buck
I get from Felder is very good. You have more options for equipment in
Europe than we have in the US. There are many high end european brands
that are unavailable here or in limited supply here thus there is also
limited support. Hofmann machines look very good but are unavailable
here. Felder has been steadily improving customer support since I
bought my first Felder machine in 2005. When Mark at Felder helped me
replace the electronics in 2009 over the phone and when Ruan pulled an
idler wheel off a jointer planer and sent it to me overnight any
hesitation to buy another Felder machine because of support issues went

away.

One of the reasons that I upgraded the electronics in my year
2000

CF731 is that Felder has gone to modular electronics instead of
printed circuit boards which makes repair much easier with parts
available off the shelf. This goes a long way in enhancing reliability

ease of repair.

I hope you get your machine running soon.

Joe in New Orleans

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-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of Brian Lamb
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:56 AM
To: FOG; allenphilip@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: The Felder Nightmare : or why to not
buy a Felder

Sending back to the group and privately to you, so you have my email
address, which is blamb11 at cox dot net, that should keep yahoo from
hiding it.

Wires to 1, 3, 4, 5, 10 and 11 are jumpered? and then 13? Is this the
original wiring scheme to the original VFD? Or what somebody "thinks" is
right for the new VFD? We would need the manual for the old VFD to see what
those pins were.....

How they are setting the frequencies for three separate motors, I don't have
a clue, as the VFD you have now, and most likely the one prior don't have
the ability to have settings like that for different motors. I would ignore
that and set min at 25hz and max at 65hz. Plus or minus a little bit isn't
going to hurt anything.

Now, what size motors do you have in this thing? Because the VFD you
specified is a 2.2kw unit... like barely squeaking out 3hp. I didn't think
after my VFD fiasco with Felder in 2001 that any of those machines still
existed.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 18, 2012, at 8:05 AM, allenphilip@... wrote:

I was trying to attach an e-mail from felder to here , didn't work. if you

drop me an e-mail so I can get your full address I can just foward it to
you.

Anyway I have wires going in on pins 1 3 4 5 10-11(wired together) 13
On the other part the U V W and thats it.

The minium and max. frequencies I have different for each motor 25-61 hz

for the planer 32-63hz saw 19-64hz shaper. These are factory settings.

Yes I even have doubts as to if the felder tech wired the machine

correctly.

Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:

Never saw any other email.... this is a bit hard as I have no idea what

wires were hooked up where previously... that all comes into play with the
hooking up of the low voltage start/stop circuits and the external pot for
the variable speed. I assume you can figure that out.... but I am guessing
that you will need connections at the terminal strip something like this:

Pin 1: + voltage from the speed pot
Pin 7: +10V out to the speed pot
Pin 14: Forward rotation
Pin 20: 24V out, I assume this is where the low voltage start/stop
buttons get power, Felder might have a separate transformer Pin 24
or 25: this will be most likely the start circuit, I can't remember
if the start switch is NO or NC, attach accordingly once you check,
but I think it's the opposite of the stop, so NO and pin 24 Pin 27
or 28: this will most likely be the stop circuit, which I think is
NC, so pin 28


Per the manual I was able to find about the programming of the drive, it

appears you need to set the parameters below (read the manual on how to
access and change the parameters, best to read the manual several times,
even if you don't get it at first, it will start to make sense):

CP.10: Minimum Frequency, I don't know what factory settings are, but

25hz will give you half speed.

CP.11: Maximum Frequency, try 65hz, that's 130% speed. probably safe at

75hz, which would be 150% speed, but things get whiney at that speed.

CP.12: Acceleration time, I'd do 3 seconds or so
CP.13 Deceleration time, again, 3 seconds
CP.15 Rated Frequency, you said 50hz

That should be enough to get it running... there are a lot of settings

that can get tweaked for custom features, but none of that is important to
get you running. Now... I am NOT an electrician, give me a screwdriver and
hot wires and they call me Sparky, so take this for what it is worth. I have
hooked up a half dozen AC drives (VFD's) to numerous machines, but honestly,
they have been other brands, TECO and I can't remember one of the others, AC
Tech maybe... Any way, they are all pretty much the same in method, just
vary in pin numbers and parameters a bit.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 17, 2012, at 8:42 AM, allenphilip@... wrote:

If you can manage it ,it will save me alot of trouble: the machine
ruins on single fase 220v - 230v 50hz . The inverter is a KEB

combivert 10F5C1B-2A0A I will also try to foward you one of the e-mail they
sent me that they tell me is a parameter list . See if you can make anything
out of it.I'm an architect so I know basic wiring,but this stuff is way over
my head.

And yes I'm also of the opinion that someone is making this much more

complicated than it should be.

Philip

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--- In felder-woodworking@..., "John Renzetti" <jrenzetti1@...> wrote:

Haven't had a chance to chime in here since a lot going on Anyway, I have an
inquiry with a couple of friends in upper management at Felder Austria to
see what occurred. In retrospect when you rejoined the FOG back in April,
if you had made some inquiries here or done a search of messages relating to
that KEB inverter and how Felder actually changed them out and put in Lentz
converters, you might have found a solution and got back up and running. I
think they only used that KEB in the machines for about a year. You said you
were a member a long time ago and would read the messages. I've done a
search and can't find you. When someone joins they remain on the member
list unless they unsubscribe. Perhaps you have an entirely different user
name.
And I just saw Brian's email with some info on your inverter. There's some
smart guys on the FOG, plus if things weren't working out with Felder in
Italy, I have a couple of factory contacts that would have been able to set
things back on track.
I just thought of something, you are an architect and have an Italian
connection. Do you know Paul Cresti?

-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of
allenphilip@...
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:13 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: The Felder Nightmare : or why to not buy a
Felder


Intentions seemed good form my point of view as well . It was results
that lacked.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., "ondablade" <imaybury@> wrote:

I wouldn't want to make a big deal of it, but I have to say that listening

to the dialogue on FOG from this side of the pond it sounds like support
levels are rather higher in the US than over here.

Just guessing, but it seems likely too that there may be some variability

here between markets and regions.

That said my contacts with the factory have been pretty satisfactory -

there seems to be a definite intention to do the right thing.

ian

--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Phillip,

That is what I am saying, Felder US support is very good.

Joe in New Orleans


On May 17, 2012, at 10:52 AM, allenphilip@ wrote:

Nobody even mentioned the possibility of an eletronics upgrade to me I

would have seriously considered it.

Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Allen,

You will be happy to know that Felder now prints manuals for their

machines as they come off the production line. So each machine has
individualized documentation. So they have addressed some of the issues you
are facing in the ten years since you bought your machine.

I was part of a group of window and door manufacturers that toured

the Felder factory in Austria in March. The factory was impressive and
Felder has invested substantially to be able to produce quality machines
into the future. When I returned from the trip I bought another Felder
machine, an RL200 dust extractor. The bang for the buck I get from Felder is
very good. You have more options for equipment in Europe than we have in the
US. There are many high end european brands that are unavailable here or in
limited supply here thus there is also limited support. Hofmann machines
look very good but are unavailable here. Felder has been steadily improving
customer support since I bought my first Felder machine in 2005. When Mark
at Felder helped me replace the electronics in 2009 over the phone and when
Ruan pulled an idler wheel off a jointer planer and sent it to me overnight
any hesitation to buy another Felder machine because of support issues went
away.

One of the reasons that I upgraded the electronics in my year 2000

CF731 is that Felder has gone to modular electronics instead of printed
circuit boards which makes repair much easier with parts available off the
shelf. This goes a long way in enhancing reliability ease of repair.

I hope you get your machine running soon.

Joe in New Orleans

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--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Paul" <tpmccann@...> wrote:

When I needed support in the early days Felder Autria and their Irish agent stepped up to the plate.

The one time since then that I had a dead machine the Irish agent sorted it out very quickly for me.

Just wish the other manufacturers agents we deal with were as responsive

Paul Mc Cann

--- In felder-woodworking@..., Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:

Never saw any other email.... this is a bit hard as I have no idea what wires were hooked up where previously... that all comes into play with the hooking up of the low voltage start/stop circuits and the external pot for the variable speed. I assume you can figure that out.... but I am guessing that you will need connections at the terminal strip something like this:

Pin 1: + voltage from the speed pot
Pin 7: +10V out to the speed pot
Pin 14: Forward rotation
Pin 20: 24V out, I assume this is where the low voltage start/stop buttons get power, Felder might have a separate transformer
Pin 24 or 25: this will be most likely the start circuit, I can't remember if the start switch is NO or NC, attach accordingly once you check, but I think it's the opposite of the stop, so NO and pin 24
Pin 27 or 28: this will most likely be the stop circuit, which I think is NC, so pin 28


Per the manual I was able to find about the programming of the drive, it appears you need to set the parameters below (read the manual on how to access and change the parameters, best to read the manual several times, even if you don't get it at first, it will start to make sense):

CP.10: Minimum Frequency, I don't know what factory settings are, but 25hz will give you half speed.
CP.11: Maximum Frequency, try 65hz, that's 130% speed. probably safe at 75hz, which would be 150% speed, but things get whiney at that speed.
CP.12: Acceleration time, I'd do 3 seconds or so
CP.13 Deceleration time, again, 3 seconds
CP.15 Rated Frequency, you said 50hz

That should be enough to get it running... there are a lot of settings that can get tweaked for custom features, but none of that is important to get you running. Now... I am NOT an electrician, give me a screwdriver and hot wires and they call me Sparky, so take this for what it is worth. I have hooked up a half dozen AC drives (VFD's) to numerous machines, but honestly, they have been other brands, TECO and I can't remember one of the others, AC Tech maybe... Any way, they are all pretty much the same in method, just vary in pin numbers and parameters a bit.



Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
Weimaraner Rescue of Arizona
www.vswc.weimaraner.com click on "rescue dogs"



On May 17, 2012, at 8:42 AM, allenphilip@... wrote:

If you can manage it ,it will save me alot of trouble: the machine ruins on single fase 220v - 230v 50hz . The inverter is a KEB combivert 10F5C1B-2A0A
I will also try to foward you one of the e-mail they sent me that they tell me is a parameter list . See if you can make anything out of it.I'm an architect so I know basic wiring,but this stuff is way over my head.
And yes I'm also of the opinion that someone is making this much more complicated than it should be.
Philip

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "ondablade" <imaybury@...> wrote:

I wouldn't want to make a big deal of it, but I have to say that listening to the dialogue on FOG from this side of the pond it sounds like support levels are rather higher in the US than over here.

Just guessing, but it seems likely too that there may be some variability here between markets and regions.

That said my contacts with the factory have been pretty satisfactory - there seems to be a definite intention to do the right thing.

ian

--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Phillip,

That is what I am saying, Felder US support is very good.

Joe in New Orleans


On May 17, 2012, at 10:52 AM, allenphilip@ wrote:

Nobody even mentioned the possibility of an eletronics upgrade to me I would have seriously considered it.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Allen,

You will be happy to know that Felder now prints manuals for their machines as they come off the production line. So each machine has individualized documentation. So they have addressed some of the issues you are facing in the ten years since you bought your machine.

I was part of a group of window and door manufacturers that toured the Felder factory in Austria in March. The factory was impressive and Felder has invested substantially to be able to produce quality machines into the future. When I returned from the trip I bought another Felder machine, an RL200 dust extractor. The bang for the buck I get from Felder is very good. You have more options for equipment in Europe than we have in the US. There are many high end european brands that are unavailable here or in limited supply here thus there is also limited support. Hofmann machines look very good but are unavailable here. Felder has been steadily improving customer support since I bought my first Felder machine in 2005. When Mark at Felder helped me replace the electronics in 2009 over the phone and when Ruan pulled an idler wheel off a jointer planer and sent it to me overnight any hesitation to buy another Felder machine because of support issues went away.

One of the reasons that I upgraded the electronics in my year 2000 CF731 is that Felder has gone to modular electronics instead of printed circuit boards which makes repair much easier with parts available off the shelf. This goes a long way in enhancing reliability ease of repair.

I hope you get your machine running soon.

Joe in New Orleans

-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of
allenphilip@...
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:13 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: The Felder Nightmare : or why to not buy a
Felder


Intentions seemed good form my point of view as well . It was results
that lacked.
Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., "ondablade" <imaybury@...> wrote:

I wouldn't want to make a big deal of it, but I have to say that listening

to the dialogue on FOG from this side of the pond it sounds like support
levels are rather higher in the US than over here.

Just guessing, but it seems likely too that there may be some variability

here between markets and regions.

That said my contacts with the factory have been pretty satisfactory -

there seems to be a definite intention to do the right thing.

ian

--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Phillip,

That is what I am saying, Felder US support is very good.

Joe in New Orleans


On May 17, 2012, at 10:52 AM, allenphilip@ wrote:

Nobody even mentioned the possibility of an eletronics upgrade to me I

would have seriously considered it.

Philip
--- In felder-woodworking@..., Joe <dohertyj@> wrote:

Allen,

You will be happy to know that Felder now prints manuals for their

machines as they come off the production line. So each machine has
individualized documentation. So they have addressed some of the issues you
are facing in the ten years since you bought your machine.

I was part of a group of window and door manufacturers that toured

the Felder factory in Austria in March. The factory was impressive and
Felder has invested substantially to be able to produce quality machines
into the future. When I returned from the trip I bought another Felder
machine, an RL200 dust extractor. The bang for the buck I get from Felder is
very good. You have more options for equipment in Europe than we have in the
US. There are many high end european brands that are unavailable here or in
limited supply here thus there is also limited support. Hofmann machines
look very good but are unavailable here. Felder has been steadily improving
customer support since I bought my first Felder machine in 2005. When Mark
at Felder helped me replace the electronics in 2009 over the phone and when
Ruan pulled an idler wheel off a jointer planer and sent it to me overnight
any hesitation to buy another Felder machine because of support issues went
away.

One of the reasons that I upgraded the electronics in my year 2000

CF731 is that Felder has gone to modular electronics instead of printed
circuit boards which makes repair much easier with parts available off the
shelf. This goes a long way in enhancing reliability ease of repair.

I hope you get your machine running soon.

Joe in New Orleans

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