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Re: Morso guillotine question

 

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David,

That is a very robust set up. ?The little wire pushes the gate? ?

Joe in New Orleans




On Feb 8, 2017, at 1:08 PM, 'david@bestservices IMAP 2' david@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:

Joel,


Unless you want to tweak some of the specific parameters of the Greenbox 12, you don¡¯t need to use a computer to get it working well - it runs right out of the box with the same functionality as the original smaller Greenbox.

If you want (as an example) for the dust collector to continue to run for 10 seconds after you shut off a specific machine, you¡¯ll need a PC connected to the Greenbox 12 to make those kind of changes. ??

I successfully manage my Greenbox 12 with the Ecogate application running on my MacBook Pro under Windows XP under Parallels (which I have for other applications). ? But in order to get that configuration working, I had to buy a USB to to serial cable and download and install drivers for same under Windows - which is not something I¡¯d recommend you try unless you are proficient in the arcane science of Window¡¯s drivers, DLL¡¯s etc (none of which we have to deal with on the Mac). ? To use the ¡°PC you borrow from your neighbor¡± you¡¯d have to configure it with the same USB-serial cable drivers, so I think the Ecogate tech guy is blowing smoke up your behind. ? ?Or, if you want something less challenging than trying to get oddball drivers working under Windows, you could wonder down this path: ???

You could also, since you¡¯re buddies with Scott Slater, clone his PLC implementation of the Greenbox functionality.

David Best


Re: Festool shop vac and sanders

 

I've had the CT22E (5.7 gallon capacity, 134 CFM) for about 12 years in a one man shop. I use it for handheld router DC, Sanders and cleaning the floors. I guess this is almost a 26 in terms of capacity. Works fine for my use. Have to empty it a few times a year.

On the sander, I have the Rotex (old version) and the ETS EC 150. The Rotex in aggressive mode is going to remove more material than the ETS EC?IME. I've never used an ETS150 so don't know how much of a difference you are going to see by moving to the EC - definitely around 40% lighter but don't know how much that is worth?to you?


Re: Festool shop vac and sanders

 

I 2nd the "non satisfaction" with tool rescepticle. I wish they had a locking connection.

Marlowe, Can you post a pic or describe how you improved it?

Imran


Re: Festool shop vac and sanders

 

I've had a CT26 for years and like it.? I have an Oneida cyclone to ?catch the big stuff, so that my bags last longer. ?
I am not a fan of the tool receptacle. ? Doesn't work consistently with festool cords so I have a work around tri plug.
Hope that they have improved that, but otherwise a great vacuum.?
Marlowe McGraw?

On Feb 8, 2017 1:31 PM, "imranindiana@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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I got CT26 to get to the large rear wheel. Next to larger models have no more CFM. I only use it for sanding so did not need larger capacity. I use my cyclone DC to sweep so I do not fill up the CT26 filter bag.

Hope this is helpful.


Re: Festool shop vac and sanders

 

Stephen I have both the 26 and 36. We had a recall on the Mini/Midi in Canada a few years due to lack of a CSA approval sticker and Festool replaced it with a CT26. If the vac is going to be shop based I would suggest the CTL36, basically same vac bigger capacity, the bags are just a little more expensive. I have had mine setup with the boomarm and WCR1000. Both make life easier. The new ETS EC sanders IMHO are a cross between the old ETS and RO's. Lots of power, I use the ETS EC 150/5 with the blue pad. Even with the larger orbit no swirls. I still really like my old ETS 150/3 for flat sanding but the instant stop has me using the new one more and more. The RO150 has its place especially in aggressive mode and is another much used tool.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:15 PM, S L ayesurely@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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I currently have a CT Midi and have been wanting to add a larger capacity shop vac. I plan to use it with router, domino xl and sanders , freeing up the midi for use on bobbin sander mitre saw etc. mitre saw currently has no extraction so this will be an?improvement (?although I have read that the bigger vac works better for mitre saws.)

I'm looking at the CTL 26 and just wanted to hear any feedback on it. is moving up to the CTL 36 a good or bad idea?

i've had the rotex on my shopping list for some time now as I found my?ETS 150/3 lacked aggression when needed?

recent posts have also hiighighted the ETS EC 150 and wanted to know how much of a difference I would?notice compared to the ETS 150 ....I guess buying the EC version will?partly make the ETS redundant in my one man shop, but if there is significant improvement in terms of comfort in use, less fatigue etc then I might just pick it up.

regards
Stephen




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John Kee
JMK Services


Re: Festool shop vac and sanders

 

I got CT26 to get to the large rear wheel. Next to larger models have no more CFM. I only use it for sanding so did not need larger capacity. I use my cyclone DC to sweep so I do not fill up the CT26 filter bag.

Hope this is helpful.


Festool shop vac and sanders

 

I currently have a CT Midi and have been wanting to add a larger capacity shop vac. I plan to use it with router, domino xl and sanders , freeing up the midi for use on bobbin sander mitre saw etc. mitre saw currently has no extraction so this will be an?improvement (?although I have read that the bigger vac works better for mitre saws.)

I'm looking at the CTL 26 and just wanted to hear any feedback on it. is moving up to the CTL 36 a good or bad idea?

i've had the rotex on my shopping list for some time now as I found my?ETS 150/3 lacked aggression when needed?

recent posts have also hiighighted the ETS EC 150 and wanted to know how much of a difference I would?notice compared to the ETS 150 ....I guess buying the EC version will?partly make the ETS redundant in my one man shop, but if there is significant improvement in terms of comfort in use, less fatigue etc then I might just pick it up.

regards
Stephen


Re: Morso guillotine question

 

Yah I know David it would be pretty boring if there was only one choice, but I couldn't resist. By the way I won the bet with myself on who would be the first to comeback. All hail the Unicorn. LOL Have a great day.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:08 PM, 'david@bestservices IMAP 2' david@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:

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John,?


And Grizzly dominates the woodworking equipment industry - so what.? Doesn¡¯t mean their products are high quality.? I prefer Mac for my personal use as it lets me focus on being creative instead of being tech dweeb. ? Plus I embrace diversity. ??

Cntl-Alt-Del.

:-)

David Best

On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:28 AM, John jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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You Mac guys have to release no matter what you think of Microsoft the world runs on Windows for better or worse. If Gates hadn't bailed out Apple years ago it probably would just be a foot note in the history books. LOL.?



John
JMK Services?




-------- Original message --------
From: "joelgelman@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 2017-02-08 1:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Morso guillotine question

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Well, I am also a Mac person.? I see that the new Ecogate Greenbox 12 came with a more lengthy manual and a cable to connect to a Windows computer so obviously that means the new unit has more features than the old Greenbox, but also that means I need a PC to set it up and the setup is not as simple.


I called Ecogate tech support and explained I do not have a PC and Windows and do not want to buy one to be able to use this new device.? I just want simple, like with the old Greenbox.? What was suggested is that I do the connections of the blast gates to the wires and to the Greenbox and borrow a PC one time from someone to connect, then call him, and he can remote in to do all of the setup for me, which would take him 10-15 min.

I will see how that goes.? I am not looking to make any changes after initial setup. I just want it so I turn on a machine, and that blast gate opens and the others close and the dust collector then turns on, and then shuts off shortly after I turn my machine off, and if I have 2 machines running at the same time, blast gates for whatever is running are open.? Perhaps the only thing I should consider now that I have a more powerful collector than my previous Oneida and several machines that run on 4 inch gates, is if I need more open than a 4 inch gate to have some minimum airflow.






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John Kee
JMK Services


Re: Morso guillotine question

 

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John,?

And Grizzly dominates the woodworking equipment industry - so what. ?Doesn¡¯t mean their products are high quality. ?I prefer Mac for my personal use as it lets me focus on being creative instead of being tech dweeb. ? Plus I embrace diversity. ??

Cntl-Alt-Del.

:-)

David Best

On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:28 AM, John jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:

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You Mac guys have to release no matter what you think of Microsoft the world runs on Windows for better or worse. If Gates hadn't bailed out Apple years ago it probably would just be a foot note in the history books. LOL.?



John
JMK Services?




-------- Original message --------
From: "joelgelman@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...>
Date: 2017-02-08 1:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Morso guillotine question

?

Well, I am also a Mac person. ?I see that the new Ecogate Greenbox 12 came with a more lengthy manual and a cable to connect to a Windows computer so obviously that means the new unit has more features than the old Greenbox, but also that means I need a PC to set it up and the setup is not as simple.


I called Ecogate tech support and explained I do not have a PC and Windows and do not want to buy one to be able to use this new device. ?I just want simple, like with the old Greenbox. ?What was suggested is that I do the connections of the blast gates to the wires and to the Greenbox and borrow a PC one time from someone to connect, then call him, and he can remote in to do all of the setup for me, which would take him 10-15 min.

I will see how that goes. ?I am not looking to make any changes after initial setup. I just want it so I turn on a machine, and that blast gate opens and the others close and the dust collector then turns on, and then shuts off shortly after I turn my machine off, and if I have 2 machines running at the same time, blast gates for whatever is running are open. ?Perhaps the only thing I should consider now that I have a more powerful collector than my previous Oneida and several machines that run on 4 inch gates, is if I need more open than a 4 inch gate to have some minimum airflow.




Re: Morso guillotine question

 

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Joel,

Unless you want to tweak some of the specific parameters of the Greenbox 12, you don¡¯t need to use a computer to get it working well - it runs right out of the box with the same functionality as the original smaller Greenbox.

If you want (as an example) for the dust collector to continue to run for 10 seconds after you shut off a specific machine, you¡¯ll need a PC connected to the Greenbox 12 to make those kind of changes. ??

I successfully manage my Greenbox 12 with the Ecogate application running on my MacBook Pro under Windows XP under Parallels (which I have for other applications). ? But in order to get that configuration working, I had to buy a USB to to serial cable and download and install drivers for same under Windows - which is not something I¡¯d recommend you try unless you are proficient in the arcane science of Window¡¯s drivers, DLL¡¯s etc (none of which we have to deal with on the Mac). ? To use the ¡°PC you borrow from your neighbor¡± you¡¯d have to configure it with the same USB-serial cable drivers, so I think the Ecogate tech guy is blowing smoke up your behind. ? ?Or, if you want something less challenging than trying to get oddball drivers working under Windows, you could wonder down this path: ???

You could also, since you¡¯re buddies with Scott Slater, clone his PLC implementation of the Greenbox functionality.

David Best

On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:18 AM, joelgelman@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:

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Well, I am also a Mac person. ?I see that the new Ecogate Greenbox 12 came with a more lengthy manual and a cable to connect to a Windows computer so obviously that means the new unit has more features than the old Greenbox, but also that means I need a PC to set it up and the setup is not as simple.


I called Ecogate tech support and explained I do not have a PC and Windows and do not want to buy one to be able to use this new device. ?I just want simple, like with the old Greenbox. ?What was suggested is that I do the connections of the blast gates to the wires and to the Greenbox and borrow a PC one time from someone to connect, then call him, and he can remote in to do all of the setup for me, which would take him 10-15 min.

I will see how that goes. ?I am not looking to make any changes after initial setup. I just want it so I turn on a machine, and that blast gate opens and the others close and the dust collector then turns on, and then shuts off shortly after I turn my machine off, and if I have 2 machines running at the same time, blast gates for whatever is running are open. ?Perhaps the only thing I should consider now that I have a more powerful collector than my previous Oneida and several machines that run on 4 inch gates, is if I need more open than a 4 inch gate to have some minimum airflow.



Re: Morso guillotine question

 

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You Mac guys have to release no matter what you think of Microsoft the world runs on Windows for better or worse. If Gates hadn't bailed out Apple years ago it probably would just be a foot note in the history books. LOL.?



John
JMK Services?




-------- Original message --------
From: "joelgelman@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...>
Date: 2017-02-08 1:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Morso guillotine question

?

Well, I am also a Mac person. ?I see that the new Ecogate Greenbox 12 came with a more lengthy manual and a cable to connect to a Windows computer so obviously that means the new unit has more features than the old Greenbox, but also that means I need a PC to set it up and the setup is not as simple.


I called Ecogate tech support and explained I do not have a PC and Windows and do not want to buy one to be able to use this new device. ?I just want simple, like with the old Greenbox. ?What was suggested is that I do the connections of the blast gates to the wires and to the Greenbox and borrow a PC one time from someone to connect, then call him, and he can remote in to do all of the setup for me, which would take him 10-15 min.

I will see how that goes. ?I am not looking to make any changes after initial setup. I just want it so I turn on a machine, and that blast gate opens and the others close and the dust collector then turns on, and then shuts off shortly after I turn my machine off, and if I have 2 machines running at the same time, blast gates for whatever is running are open. ?Perhaps the only thing I should consider now that I have a more powerful collector than my previous Oneida and several machines that run on 4 inch gates, is if I need more open than a 4 inch gate to have some minimum airflow.


Re: Morso guillotine question

 

Well, I am also a Mac person. ?I see that the new Ecogate Greenbox 12 came with a more lengthy manual and a cable to connect to a Windows computer so obviously that means the new unit has more features than the old Greenbox, but also that means I need a PC to set it up and the setup is not as simple.

I called Ecogate tech support and explained I do not have a PC and Windows and do not want to buy one to be able to use this new device. ?I just want simple, like with the old Greenbox. ?What was suggested is that I do the connections of the blast gates to the wires and to the Greenbox and borrow a PC one time from someone to connect, then call him, and he can remote in to do all of the setup for me, which would take him 10-15 min.

I will see how that goes. ?I am not looking to make any changes after initial setup. I just want it so I turn on a machine, and that blast gate opens and the others close and the dust collector then turns on, and then shuts off shortly after I turn my machine off, and if I have 2 machines running at the same time, blast gates for whatever is running are open. ?Perhaps the only thing I should consider now that I have a more powerful collector than my previous Oneida and several machines that run on 4 inch gates, is if I need more open than a 4 inch gate to have some minimum airflow.


Re: Morso guillotine question

 

I especially like the fact that the Greenbox is compatible with an off-the-shelf, easy to install current sensor for triggering the gate and extractor startup - available here (Ecogate sells them for $100 - rip-off):

My only frustration with the Greenbox system is that it requires a Window's computer to change any of the programming on the Greenbox. I'm an all Mac shop and while it is possible to run the Ecogate configuration software under Parallels on the Mac, it's requires you have both Parallels and a Windows license and is really nerdy to get working properly, so buying a dedicated $300 Dell laptop is probably a better approach than trying to make a Mac do the job.

David Best


David, I found a 15" Panel PC on ebay that came with Windows loaded. I mounted it in the shop next to the dust collector so I don't have to futz with USB to parallel port adaptors etc. Works great. I watched for a few weeks and found one removed from old equipment for $150.

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Re: Morso guillotine question

 

David,

Like you, I'm an all Mac user. Some years back I needed to run a Windows program but didn't wish to buy Windows to run on the Mac. I found Codeweavers: https://www.codeweavers.com They have a program called Crossover which allows windows programs to run on Macs without having to go through the usual dance.

The Crossover gang was great to work with, very helpful and they made that program run perfectly. You might check them out...

Be ell,

Lance


From: 'david@bestservices IMAP 2' david@... [felder-woodworking] ;
To: ;
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Morso guillotine question
Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2017 5:01:56 PM

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I¡¯ll echo this sentiment. ? I started with the 8-gate Ecogate system, mostly 6¡±, some 5¡± and a few of the original all metal 4¡± gates. ?Upgraded to the Greenbox 12 when I needed more control over the gates and extractor triggering/run-time. ? I¡¯ve been very happy with this setup: ? ???


I especially like the fact that the Greenbox is compatible with an off-the-shelf, easy to install current sensor for triggering the gate and extractor startup - available here (Ecogate sells them for $100 - rip-off): ??

My only frustration with the Greenbox system is that it requires a Window¡¯s computer to change any of the programming on the Greenbox. ?I¡¯m an all Mac shop and while it is possible to run the Ecogate configuration software under Parallels on the Mac, it¡¯s requires you have both Parallels and a Windows license and is really nerdy to get working properly, so buying a dedicated $300 Dell laptop is probably a better approach than trying to make a Mac do the job.

David Best

On Feb 7, 2017, at 7:28 AM, 'Jensen, Joe' joe.jensen@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:


I too use Ecogate and I¡¯ve been very satisfied.? I started with a that base 8 gate system in 2005 and I¡¯ve since upgraded to a greenbox 12.? I have mostly 6¡± gates and a few 5¡± gates.? The small plastic ¡°Consumer¡± 4¡± gates are pretty much junk.

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Re: California tool Compressor

Cliff
 

they say it'll come Feb 17 - 28th So maybe their production is ramping up

I got the warranty Meeh' What's another 76 bucks and it's two additional years.

I'm clad I called them because I was unable to find the spendier model on Amazon with the dryer after cooler and the auto drain. The Comparable Quincy would have been almost a Grand and I couldn't fit it, because they build 'em too tall for my location. This one has the CFM for a 3/8" air drill which I use when sanding on the lathe

On 2/6/2017 11:41 PM, Lance Clifford offaces@... [felder-woodworking] wrote:

But...., are you willing to wait for the "usually ships within the 1-2 months" that ad is showing? Or, are you a prime member and clicked on the used-like new offer linked to that page.... $870.16. That's a deal, though I doubt it comes with warranty...


Re: Morso guillotine question

 

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I¡¯ll echo this sentiment. ? I started with the 8-gate Ecogate system, mostly 6¡±, some 5¡± and a few of the original all metal 4¡± gates. ?Upgraded to the Greenbox 12 when I needed more control over the gates and extractor triggering/run-time. ? I¡¯ve been very happy with this setup: ? ???

I especially like the fact that the Greenbox is compatible with an off-the-shelf, easy to install current sensor for triggering the gate and extractor startup - available here (Ecogate sells them for $100 - rip-off): ??

My only frustration with the Greenbox system is that it requires a Window¡¯s computer to change any of the programming on the Greenbox. ?I¡¯m an all Mac shop and while it is possible to run the Ecogate configuration software under Parallels on the Mac, it¡¯s requires you have both Parallels and a Windows license and is really nerdy to get working properly, so buying a dedicated $300 Dell laptop is probably a better approach than trying to make a Mac do the job.

David Best

On Feb 7, 2017, at 7:28 AM, 'Jensen, Joe' joe.jensen@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:


I too use Ecogate and I¡¯ve been very satisfied.? I started with a that base 8 gate system in 2005 and I¡¯ve since upgraded to a greenbox 12.? I have mostly 6¡± gates and a few 5¡± gates.? The small plastic ¡°Consumer¡± 4¡± gates are pretty much junk.

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Re: Mirka Ceros the whole kit

 

Andy and John,

In the link John sent, the thicker blades seemed to be called Carvex, and they may suit my more challenging uses..., cutting 2x and 3x radius sills and plates out of S dry lumber for the houses I build. Good to know they work well for you both. I'll head to the dealer when I find time and see what they can hook me up with.

My most recent examples of many layers of radius plates may be seen here:

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/1059/IleNSZ.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img922/1280/jmCEY0.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/2249/Ud4c5i.jpg


Thanks,

Lance


From: andy.giddings@... [felder-woodworking] ;
To: ;
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: Mirka Ceros the whole kit
Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2017 3:09:03 PM

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I've used the Carvex and the thicker blades to cut shallow curves in 8/4 Hard Maple. Cuts are as square to the surface as I can measure. Tighter curves would require the thinner blade which will deflect


Re: Morso guillotine question

 

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I too use Ecogate and I¡¯ve been very satisfied.? I started with a that base 8 gate system in 2005 and I¡¯ve since upgraded to a greenbox 12.? I have mostly 6¡± gates and a few 5¡± gates.? The small plastic ¡°Consumer¡± 4¡± gates are pretty much junk.

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Re: Mirka Ceros the whole kit

 

I've used the Carvex and the thicker blades to cut shallow curves in 8/4 Hard Maple. Cuts are as square to the surface as I can measure. Tighter curves would require the thinner blade which will deflect


Re: Mirka Ceros the whole kit

 

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It would be interesting to see if you can make them work. The thicker Festool ?blades have been available since that 2008, they really have no relation to the Cravex. My son has the Cravex and is 60/40 on it. I wouldn't mind trying the latest and greatest Bosch, it's seems to be that Bosch jigsaw people are the Bosch or nothing type. I just can't wrap my head around auto adjustment of the stabilizing ?jaws being better than something you can fine tune if needed.?



John
JMK Services?




-------- Original message --------
From: "Lance Clifford offaces@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...>
Date: 2017-02-07 9:30 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: yahoogroups <felder-woodworking@...>
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Mirka Ceros the whole kit

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Those thicker, Carvex blades look interesting..., I'll pick of some to test. Also, just ordered W2 and W5 Mafell blades to see if they can be made to fit the Bosche style holders used by the Festool.

Thanks John!

Lance



From: John Kee jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...>;
To: FOG <felder-woodworking@...>;
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Mirka Ceros the whole kit
Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2017 12:57:04 PM

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Lance I've found that the Festool blades are typically thicker then the comparable Bosch or others which seems to aid when do curves in thicker hardwood. Now not all the cut are absolutely perfect and there can be some minor deflection but they are easily cleaned up with sanding. I bought a multipac years ago that has served me well, I think it was a special for $35.00 and gave me a chance to try various blades. Checkout the blade guide.



On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Lance Clifford offaces@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Hello John,

I've got the barrel grip version of the same saw, the PS 300. No way was I buying the, then newly out Carvex after reading of the disappointment of early adopter Festool fanboys...

The PS 300 isn't a bad saw, for "normal" jigsaw tasks. I set it up to cut square, with lower guides adjusted to thicknesses of each of half a dozen blades I tried. Each blade would cross cut square and most would cut squarely into end grain. However, once endlessly cutting radius plates and sill they would be deflected by the changing grain. Tried various Bosche and Festool blades. Wish Freud/ Diablo made jigsaw blades in the same stout manner as their diablo carbide tipped recip saw blades... those things are amazing... Perhaps I've just yet to find a thick enough/stiff enough blade. Recomendations?

Apprciate your input,

Lance


From: John Kee jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@yahoogroup s.com>;
To: FOG <felder-woodworking@yahoogroup s.com>;
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Mirka Ceros the whole kit
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2017 2:47:56 PM

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Lance I use the old PB 300 with the Festool 6" blade which is still I believe around $300.00. If the jaws are adjusted properly and jigsaw supported properly it gives an accurate 90 degree cut through 4" hard maple. A lot of people don't like this model because it actually take a little skill and sensitive touch to adjust for highly accurate cuts but that's their problem not the jigsaw. I don't do enough jigsaw work to justify the Mafel which is really in the stupid zone for pricing that along with limited support in NA. Its also my understanding that you have to use Mafel's special blades to obtain that accurate cut through thick wood and materials.If I used a jigsaw everyday it would be worth trying but I'm lucky to use mine once a month. The only other consideration would be the recently released Bosch high end jigsaw but I have no experience with it as its been unobtainium this side of the border until recently.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Lance Clifford offaces@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@yahoogroup s.com> wrote:
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Thanks for that, John. After going on six months since ordering the Pro 5, I'm once again looking forward to working with the tool once it arrives.

As for the jigsaw..., owner reviews had me interested once again in getting one of the Mafell P1's. The projects I do often require radius and elliptical plates out of 2x and 3x, and I've yet to find a jigsaw whose blade stays pointed where it was when entering the cut. The Mafell seemed closest to being able to do so but I couldn't get beyond that the US dollar had gained 30% against the Euro and yet the importer, rather than reflecting what should have been a price drop, had instead jacked up the price over $100.

Be well,

Lance


From: John Kee jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@ yahoogroups.com>;
To: FOG <felder-woodworking@ yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Mirka Ceros the whole kit
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2017 12:31:26 PM

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Lance, I got 2 of the Festool Pro 5 sanders when they first came out and have used one of them on various projects. The first test was taking a rough sawn board cutoff about 20" long and 10" wide to a 4000 grit polish. The process started with 60 grit and worked up to 4000 grit. Now some would big deal that have no previous knowledge of Festool sanders. In this instance the original ETS 125 was a terrible sander that you could actually stall with heavier grits, it was strictly a fine finish sander. The new Pro5 is very difficult to stall. The brushless line of 5" and 6" ETS EC that came out a couple of years ago are low profile. lightweight extremely powerful sanders that if you ever have the chance might be worth looking into. I was actually considering the Deros before I got Festool ETS EC 150/5 and that's when dealer/friend suggested it was better to stick with Festool. He sells both so the sale was his either way. They were basically the same price and his exact words were, if you really want to go with Mirka, buy 2, then you will have one to use when the other is being repaired. Since that time I have talked to others that I deal with and basically got the same response, with both guys telling me that they check every unit before they send it out because one in four doesn't even work, brand new. They have the sanders, don't promote them because of the issues but wants the Mirka sand paper business.

As far as Festool goes not all the tools are a cut above, especially for the amount they cost, the Kapex being one of the most overpriced units on the planet with a far amount of issues. The early Carvex jigsaws were terrible and some of the drills not so good. The integrated system approach is hard to beat with many others trying to catchup. The main issue I see being a longtime Festool user is people comparing the latest and greatest tools from their favourite manufacturer whether it Makita, Dewalt or Bosch to something that has been part of Festool for a very longtime. The list of accessories that Festool makes for their tools is unmatched with crossover use very handy. The vac setups and accessories are second to none IMHO which include a boom arm and workstation attachment. Lots of room in this discussion for the Festool haters to jump in but if you haven't tried them you really can't discuss them. I too at one time thought they were overpriced for what you got and many of them still are and getting worse every year.

John

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:30 PM, Lance Clifford offaces@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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John,

I've used a Festo track saw since the early 90's and love the tool.... best non-saw-guard ever with the saw body retracting up above the table..., bought the top Festool Jig saw (very unimpressed) in 2015 when doing a job on the road because the new Bosche wasn't available locally, but have yet to use a Festool sander. You, Brian and many others on the forum speak highly of them, and I've had a Pro 5 LTD ETS 125 on order since paying the Tool Nut $99 last Oct. 7th.

I would agree that the Makita and Dewalt sanders aren't in the same league as the Festool, Mirka and perhaps other higher end tools, and the integrated vacuum hose/cords both Mirka and Festool came out with are clever and especially handy if one stays with the respective tool lines..., eapecially so in a shop where the sanding tasks are consistent.

But a current project had challenges where no single sander line was the best choice. Along with "traditional" sanding tasks, on this project the 1/2" exterior wood bevel siding needed serious prep for paint on a 1925 Bungalow. I've known pro painters have preferred the Makita GV5000 (now replaced by the slightly more powerful GV5010) sanders mated to the 5" 3M Coating Removal Discs, which are 5/8" or so thick and so agressively sand both face and bottom edge of the siding course above simultaneously. Very handy and time saving. Because the GV5000's have no provision for dust collection, I drilled out the M8-1.25 threads and tapped them 5/16-24 to adapt the Mirka hook and loop pads on both of mine, using a leftover thin pocket door wrench to tighten to shaft, then bought and installed the very clever retrofit dust collection shields from Paintshaver, which surround the disc with a circular wall of brushes and do a fair job of capturing dust when connected to the Makita VC4710 vacuum. To my knowledge, no other sander would collect dust better when using the 3M CD pads than what was used here, but I'm open to learning otherwise.

Paintshaver also makes a clever device which works like a plane but which has rotary carbide blades. Too rich for my blood, so I bought the comparable Metabo LF 724S for about half the price. Depth of cut is adjustable and tool is great for first pass of paint prep on challenging surfaces.

The Mirka Deros follows the 3M CRD treatment and works great feathering edges while erasing marks left from the more aggressive tools. Corners, tight spots and trim edges are finshed off using the Fein multimaster sander.

ALL of these tools connect to the VC4710 for dust collection. Neither the Festool nor the Mirka hoses with integrated cord would have helped in adapting all of these devices. With the knowledge I process, I thought each of these tools, from various manufacturers and with some adaptation best served challenges we faced in this applicaction.

Best,

Lance


From: John jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@ yahoogroups.com>;
To: FOG <felder-woodworking@ yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Mirka Ceros the whole kit
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2017 12:31:05 AM

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Unfortunately in my world Makita and Dewalt aren't even a consideration for sanders. I use alot of Makita but won't own Dewalt for love nor money.? I've been using Festool sanders for 9 years now without issue and currently have 6 I use regularly. I ?tried many including Mirka and Bosch. Taking the Mirka warning or don't I really don't care but when 3 different dealers I ?know tell me the same thing I have a tendency to take their advice.?

John
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From: "ianparkesy@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@ yahoogroups.com>
Date: 2017-02-05 7:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: felder-woodworking@ yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Mirka Ceros the whole kit

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mirka deros is great , mine works hard every day and is 2 years old now . so much lighter and easier to use than anything else out there . I had 2 makita random orbit before , they lasted well but were too heavy for anything but flat sanding on the bench . as for festool i can not see the value your just paying for the name as far as i can see. have had a few festool tools but dewalt and makita was better?




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